Dota - League game modes
Posted by The DS Prince on July 15th, 2009 | Visited 7265 times, 1 so far todayFor a very very long time now, the only ever game mode that was used in leagues was AP plus hero bans. This has been the case since leaguers started to use 6.43b.
It was only in 6.56 that the CM mode was introduced and even that was nothing more than an officially entrenched system, an elaborate ceremony designed for the leaguers’ pleasure. Some other newly introduced modes like SD, RD and CD were also reflections of the same system - they were there for the purpose of making clan players happy.
If there are people who do not believe me when I say that the frog is extremely concerned about “league balance”, look at these new game modes. All of them are catered for one group of people - the elites - and none of them are meant for the common citizen who form the overwhelming majority of Dota addicts players. If Dota was not a game this would have easily evolved into a conspiracy theory in which the interests of the majority are subverted for the minority.
Problem is, what really constitutes league balance? Is league balance really about AP only? When some heroes cannot be picked together just because they are from opposite factions, will the current balance be the true balance? If for example, both teams decide to dish it out via %HP AoE (which is the league craze right now), the Scourge will probably only be able to afford Necrolyte and Undying - not enough %HP (in my opinion). On the contrary the Sentinel will be able to dish out quite a lot of that via Enigma, Zeus, Huskar and Tauren Chieftain. This is perhaps something the frog, as the map tweaker, has to consider.
This phenomenon has also dulled the creative potential of leaguers and by extension, pub players. Most, if not all of the strategies that forumers have been discussing about all rest on the assumption that it is an AP game. When lineups are discussed, do I hear Rhasta and Lion, QOP and POTM, Coco and Sand King, Tinker and Nerubian Weaver, etc thrown into the equation? Or how some heroes’ worst enemies seem to come from the very same tavern sometimes? When was the last time people actually played Normal?
It seems that Normal is, for all purposes and intent, an obsolete mode. It was viewed as a restrictive mode that bans players from touching the other faction’s tavern. At the same time, has anybody also considered the various possibilities that can open up in a Normal league game (corresponding mode LM)? Think about what will happen when players are automatically barred from picking two disablers, two blinkers, two supposedly imbalanced strength heroes, one hero that can teleport to another’s creeps, etc. This forces leaguers to think of new strategies and lineups to overcome the restrictions. End result - a more creatively developing Dota that isn’t so dull anymore due to the ubiquity of AP.
And how about the other modes like All Strength, All Intelligence, All Agility? How about new ones like Only Neutral Taverns? How about some way of allowing and banning certain taverns instead? Think of that immensely great game playing potential. Think of new lineups, new strategies, new counters. We could have a whole new bunch of players who would specialise in playing certain modes y’know. Why should Dota (or anything or anyone) restrict itself to just ONE way of playing?
Creativity can be born out of chaos.
In short, Dota is not a linear adventure game. It’s a strategy game, and strategies are endless. No strategist should be perplexed for lack of tactics, nor should they be forced to think in just one way. Some of our members think big, only to have others trying to smackdown them for making suggestions. I believe the frog is not like that though. But whether the frog accepts big ideas or not, I don’t mince my words when I say this - leaguers should not be so fussy and start getting real

July 15th, 2009 at 2:53 am
I just wanted to add a mode that i tohught would be really good. Some sort of all draft. Where a game functioned with bans by 4 players on each team and individuals got to pick their own heroes. I think this would be a great public mode as you would get the same experience as cm but without having to rely on someone you dont know to choose for a player he doesnt know.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:03 am
i miss teh old imba farm click kill pub heroes like naix
ahh, good times
July 15th, 2009 at 9:38 am
last time i played normal mode was either this year or last year. went lan with my friends and they played normal mode. i was pissed off so i just picked any random aoe hero and just raped them. they were pretty noob. they said the only reason they play normal mode is coz they get more money. (wtf..) anyway im happy with 4 bans and then pick a team. it should be lik that. um if u want to be creative u can have 5 bans from each team so u can possibly ban an entire team from pickin their team. lik for example. u no this imba 5 team they have been usin. well ban 5 and ban all 5 of their heroes. now since its 4. they might pick that hero and then they still may win coz their good with that hero. get wat i mean? also u could force them to pick only 2 strength heroes 1 agility hero and 2 int heroes to force them to think who is a better carry and who is a better nuker. that will force them to think. i dun think its the frog to be honest. i think its the leagues. they dont enforce enough rules such as enough item restrictions. but hey these r thoughts. XD.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
there is more potential in sentinel only lineups then scourge only, that said they all rely on each other heavily and one ban runs everything.
scourge has the most banned ganker in the game (NA) and arguably, the best pusher (Krob)
normal mode also allows selecting from neutral taverns by both sides so it is viable with each team having roughly 70% of heroes to choose from.
I support the introduction of the proposed modes. as well as -rs as a default addition to any league game.
July 16th, 2009 at 12:35 am
wow pretty interesting ^^
July 17th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Enigma isn’t in Sent anymore, harhar.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:17 am
i’d like to cheat but i know cheet is wth,lvlup 25,gold or greedisgood ***************,fog,test,apom pls…..give me cheat plsss………give ma a cheat more plssssssssss………….
July 27th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Khyle, its test mode in single lpayer… there is no cheats for mutliplayer dota
August 7th, 2009 at 11:54 am
-mr is now the only “fair” mode to play these days
August 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Ehmmm..i dunno..hehehe.. ^^
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