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HoN, LoL and Dota - which goes?

Posted by The DS Prince on August 21st, 2009 | Viewed 10642 times, 3 so far today

In a survey thread recently concluded in DS, we had the opportunity to gauge the popularity levels of Heroes of Newerth, League of Legends and DotA itself among DS members. The results were as follows:

  1. League of Legends - 534
  2. Heroes of Newerth - 348
  3. Neither - 659

All right, before I’d say anything about the results, I gotta admit that the “Neither” option was a bit ambiguous. It could have meant only DotA, or both LoL and HoN or all 3 since there sincerely might be game geeks who will love DotA and all its succeeding ripoffs. Therefore it is not surprising to me that “Neither” got the most number of votes.

Lesson for the mods: make clear vote options. But that will be for next time.

Now, having said that, the numbers for LoL speaks volumes. Just ONE, clear-cut option gave it as much as 534 votes, indicating very much that LoL is bound to get a lot of fans and players from DS itself right after its official launch. Also, it’s openly known that Pendragon aka Steve Mescon, as well as Guinsoo aka Steve Feak were (and are) very much involved in DotA. It’s obvious they’ve been riding on the DotA tsunami to crash land LoL on our shores, presenting it as an attractive diversion. It is still unknown why a fallout happened between Icefrog and the two guys, but I bet gold it’s definitely got something to do with the thought-of notion that LoL will supersede DotA to oblivion.

May I suggest somebody go undercover to find out what’s really happening? :P You could start at their official website, http://www.leagueoflegends.com/

And then HoN. First things first, I think that HoN has several glaring weaknesses in terms of marketing and presentation. As of this moment, nothing concrete is being presented on their official website at http://heroesofnewerth.com/. Other than some eye-candy and a link to Facebook, we don’t know what hot stuff is going to take place on HoN and how. It’s true that Facebook is notorious for viral marketing and so the strategy of having an FB (not “a”, “an”) spotlight helps a lot, but you still gotta have a PROPERLY functioning website or blog first. Bad move.

Then the accusation that HoN is literally a clone of DotA. In this respect I have to admit that a perception battle is being waged and guys at S2 don’t seem to have it their way. The battle is not yet concluded, but if anything I think that HoN had better do something to avoid charges of unoriginality at the people’s court. The way I see it, the frog will never admit defeat. He is definitely adamant at making DotA stand out and make people who contend that LoL or HoN will eclipse DotA swallow their words. Remember, Blizzard has a stake in this battle too. If Dota gets less popular this equals very much less WC3 players. In other words, this is WAR and it is not just about defending the ancients anymore.

In this respect, it maybe why HoN got lesser votes than LoL or “neither”. I also noticed with a slight amusement how our DS member Blarfles consistently prepped up LoL at the expense of HoN. Maybe I’m thinking a little too much, but somehow LoL is really lucky to have free propaganda. :P

As for me, I’m relishing the opportunity to catch both HoN and LoL in action. I don’t care about the tripartite war, all I care for is profit. And a dose of entertainment. :lol:

Riot Games Brings DotA Tournament to Gamescom

Posted by drew on August 20th, 2009 | Viewed 1477 times, 1 so far today

Here’s an announcement from Riot Games, creator of League of Legends:

DotA-Allstars.com is proud to announce that we’ve partnered with Riot Games, the makers of the upcoming MOBA game League of Legends, and GOA, League of Legends European publisher to host an invitational DotA tournament at their booth at Gamescom in Cologne Germany. The event will be streamed live to the web on the tournament portal located at http://web.dota-allstars.com/tournament

Tournament Information
Format: Groupstage into single elimination finals
Prizes: $15,000 USD
Dates: August 19th-23rd
Location: Gamescom (Cologne, Germany)

Links
Tournament Announcement - http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=294607
Tournament Coverage with live video - http://web.dota-allstars.com/tournament
Event Schedule - http://web.dota-allstars.com/2009/08/13/event-schedule
Coverage on Twitter - http://twitter.com/RinoaSunie
Pendragon on Twitter - http://twitter.com/RiotPendragon

Message from Riot Games
Marc Merrill, the president of Riot Games said, “We’re hoping to raise the profile of DotA to a mainstream audience by displaying it at one of the largest consumer gaming shows in the world. Additionally, this tournament is one of several things that Riot and GOA have planned to “give back” to the DotA community that we’ve been part of for such a long time.The competitive space is extremely important to us, and we already have additional events for both DotA and League of Legends in the works!”

Imba Escape Moves

Posted by polar on August 19th, 2009 | Viewed 7104 times

A video featuring SK and MYM players doing imba escape moves to survive…


by EndMyLifeNow

We now have IRC

Posted by Ghost on August 13th, 2009 | Viewed 1582 times

In a fit of motivation (and a thread on the subject) we have made an IRC channel for members of DS.

originally it was going to be on quakenet… but then a couple of random internet people later, we were established on gamesurge.

find us at the url below…

irc://irc.gamesurge.net/dotastrategy

To use irc you need to have an IRC client.

Mozilla users have the benefit of ChatZilla and I don’t know about the rest of the world.

do a quick google search and you will find heaps of them.

Back in Business

Posted by drew on August 10th, 2009 | Viewed 1433 times, 1 so far today

After a long break, I’m back.

Well, not quite. I’m here in a VIP lounge in Taipei waiting for my flight to Manila, Philippines.

You know what the coolest thing is about this place?

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The XBOX room!!

Anyway, I hope to catch up with you guys once I’ve settled down. Congrats to Flodian for winning Dotactics 2009. ^_^ I’ll be contacting you soon.

HINDI AKO QUITTER!

Posted by polar on July 28th, 2009 | Viewed 6065 times, 2 so far today

For all GArena gamers…

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6.61b - The Harry Potters

Posted by The DS Prince on July 24th, 2009 | Viewed 11388 times

If by any chance you watched the recent not-very-blockbuster release of JK Rowling’s work, then you probably have an inkling as to what I will say here. If not, you’ll still have an idea as long as you played the recent versions of Dota. If you don’t then you will - after reading this.

Or will you? :P

There’s been some rants going on for a while which talked about magic wands the like of which Hogwarts apprentices use. And since I did address this magic wand thingy some time ago in my old blog, I thought maybe do some copy-pasta to earn some attention and traffic as well.

The general, but incorrect (IMO), consensus in DS the Muggle world is that it is a somewhat silly item that is only useful against spammers. It’s not very useful - too little life and mana replenished, too many charges, lalalalalalalala. Reading the recent magic wand threads, I was amused and seriously chuckled for a bit. You wanna know why?

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Dota - League game modes

Posted by The DS Prince on July 15th, 2009 | Viewed 6945 times

For a very very long time now, the only ever game mode that was used in leagues was AP plus hero bans. This has been the case since leaguers started to use 6.43b.

It was only in 6.56 that the CM mode was introduced and even that was nothing more than an officially entrenched system, an elaborate ceremony designed for the leaguers’ pleasure. Some other newly introduced modes like SD, RD and CD were also reflections of the same system - they were there for the purpose of making clan players happy.

If there are people who do not believe me when I say that the frog is extremely concerned about “league balance”, look at these new game modes. All of them are catered for one group of people - the elites - and none of them are meant for the common citizen who form the overwhelming majority of Dota addicts players. If Dota was not a game this would have easily evolved into a conspiracy theory in which the interests of the majority are subverted for the minority.

Problem is, what really constitutes league balance? Is league balance really about AP only? When some heroes cannot be picked together just because they are from opposite factions, will the current balance be the true balance? If for example, both teams decide to dish it out via %HP AoE (which is the league craze right now), the Scourge will probably only be able to afford Necrolyte and Undying - not enough %HP (in my opinion). On the contrary the Sentinel will be able to dish out quite a lot of that via Enigma, Zeus, Huskar and Tauren Chieftain. This is perhaps something the frog, as the map tweaker, has to consider.

This phenomenon has also dulled the creative potential of leaguers and by extension, pub players. Most, if not all of the strategies that forumers have been discussing about all rest on the assumption that it is an AP game. When lineups are discussed, do I hear Rhasta and Lion, QOP and POTM, Coco and Sand King, Tinker and Nerubian Weaver, etc thrown into the equation? Or how some heroes’ worst enemies seem to come from the very same tavern sometimes? When was the last time people actually played Normal?

It seems that Normal is, for all purposes and intent, an obsolete mode. It was viewed as a restrictive mode that bans players from touching the other faction’s tavern. At the same time, has anybody also considered the various possibilities that can open up in a Normal league game (corresponding mode LM)? Think about what will happen when players are automatically barred from picking two disablers, two blinkers, two supposedly imbalanced strength heroes, one hero that can teleport to another’s creeps, etc. This forces leaguers to think of new strategies and lineups to overcome the restrictions. End result - a more creatively developing Dota that isn’t so dull anymore due to the ubiquity of AP.

And how about the other modes like All Strength, All Intelligence, All Agility? How about new ones like Only Neutral Taverns? How about some way of allowing and banning certain taverns instead? Think of that immensely great game playing potential. Think of new lineups, new strategies, new counters. We could have a whole new bunch of players who would specialise in playing certain modes y’know. Why should Dota (or anything or anyone) restrict itself to just ONE way of playing?

Creativity can be born out of chaos.

In short, Dota is not a linear adventure game. It’s a strategy game, and strategies are endless. No strategist should be perplexed for lack of tactics, nor should they be forced to think in just one way. Some of our members think big, only to have others trying to smackdown them for making suggestions. I believe the frog is not like that though. But whether the frog accepts big ideas or not, I don’t mince my words when I say this - leaguers should not be so fussy and start getting real :P

In Chiner?

Posted by Orochi on July 12th, 2009 | Viewed 1912 times

Soooo I just wanted to make a quick parody of Teh Big Cheese’s Europe post. Currently in Hong Kong, I’ll also be a bit indisposed for a while. I’ll be taking a journey to ze motherland tomorrow(Chengdu, Guangdong, Beijing etc) to hide from govt agents and to visit dead ancestors. My activity will be very limited(depending on how much wifi I can leech) and only a select people will feel my limited presence. I’m also here coz I’m not as rich as Drew and can’t afford a Euro-trip ;_;

PS. Don’t let Yukino take over. VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

In Europe

Posted by drew on July 12th, 2009 | Viewed 1588 times

Currently in Europe for a 2-month hiatus. I was on my way to St. Julien Cathedral when I saw an Internet cafe. I had to make a stop and check my emails and of course, DS. I would have liked to be more visible during this period but my hotel’s wifi leaves a lot to be desired. Hopefully when I leave Paris for Italy it’ll be better.

How’s everything? (Leave a comment below lol)