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eventually you'd have to upgrade the helm to satanic . .
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4 luna it most be at late game
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The words : "Not many agi heroes benefit from 25 Strength Bonus"
Caught my serious attention.
What the hell are you talking about ?!
Agi heroes , NOT BENEFITING FROM 25 STRENGTH BONUS ? Thats like , a crapload of hp already for an agi hero!
And YES Its Worth it.
I'd rather get a powerful damage boost than getting creeps! This single item can give you damage AND hp AND lifesteal in one single package!
Most agi heroes can farm like crazy anyway so they can buy DPS Items + Keep the Satanic.
And for the fact , Vlads doesn't give lifesteal to ranged heroes in case you did not know.
Just imagine you using Luna with like , this item build :
Butterfly
Satanic
Heart
Radiance
Buriza
Treads
You would be going nuts with all that power and hp. You might even be bulkier than some strength heroes. But the thing is , getting Satanic would be worth it ! If not , Helm of Dominator would just be a big fat waste of money.
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@Drifterz
agree!
i mean why build up a helm of dominator?
eventually you'd have to upgrade it to Satanic, .
or what? sell it?
that must be the most stupidest thing you ever did.
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Agility players don't benefit from +25 Strength? :LOL:
C'mon man, most agi players have terrible HP,+25 strength would really help them, plus the added lifesteal is good. Plus, Helm of the Dominator's Dominate is rarely unused man. The unholy strength is soo useful on certain scenarios. But probably upgrade this early when you badly need exra HP.
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Re: Regarding Upgrade of Helm Of Dominator to Satanic
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:14 pmsfsy1 wrote:
Is it really worth it?
Reaver and Eaglehorn are so expensive because of the items which they can make into. Butterfly gives lots of bonus att speed damage and 30 evasion, even slightly more than a lvl 4 skill.
Satanic upgrade however gives 10% lifesteal, unholy rage. +15% lifesteal and 30dmg and -20dmg.
Is it really worth it? Especially for agility heroes who do not benefit as much from the bonus 25 str. Instead of upgrading Helm to Satanic, they could buy damage item which also increase the life stolen.
Bonus Lifesteal can be obtained from Vlad too and there is no need to activate unholy rage.
My opinion may be wrong. Please comment.
Is it really worth it?
Reaver and Eaglehorn are so expensive because of the items which they can make into. Butterfly gives lots of bonus att speed damage and 30 evasion, even slightly more than a lvl 4 skill.
Satanic upgrade however gives 10% lifesteal, unholy rage. +15% lifesteal and 30dmg and -20dmg.
Is it really worth it? Especially for agility heroes who do not benefit as much from the bonus 25 str. Instead of upgrading Helm to Satanic, they could buy damage item which also increase the life stolen.
Bonus Lifesteal can be obtained from Vlad too and there is no need to activate unholy rage.
My opinion may be wrong. Please comment.
Please, i said agility dont benifit as much from the 25 str. i mean that they do not get the 25 dmg which str hero get. Btw, str is so much more expensive then point or vitality booster. the .75 regen has close to no use.
Reaver : 25x19= 475
it gives slightly less than wat 2 vitaly booster or a soul booster although its more expensive than vit boosters and gives less regen and mana compated to soulbooster
Also, regarding the "eventually you need to upgrade it". Yes i agree, but how often do you get all the items that you have no more slot for better ones?
Btw u said satanic is lifesteal hp and damage all in 1 package. So u r saying satanic's unholy rage gives good damage? -20 damage when not activated and +30 damage when activated is a lot?? Oh what about skadi? JUst 500 more gold. You get 25 dmage all the time, 250 hp, 25att speed, lots of mana and frost att. Is satanic still worth? NO!
the upgrade should only be done after getting items like buriza/mkb/radiance etc, butterfly, vanguard, BoT or PT.
ALso, some said upgrade satanic early. Is it even possible? and with just satanic as your item as an agility hero, you arent very offensive. Agility heroes's high attack speed is therefore not fully utilised.
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+25 str?
awh...
lots of HP!
XD
ahahaha...^^,
lolz!
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following the satanic's rage nerf to bonus damage and addition of the imba dark troll, you might delay it for better ASPD items
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Counter_Force[X] wrote:
following the satanic's rage nerf to bonus damage and addition of the imba dark troll, you might delay it for better ASPD items
following the satanic's rage nerf to bonus damage and addition of the imba dark troll, you might delay it for better ASPD items
agree.
Also, satanic's upgrade is similar to the buriza upgrade. We all know that demon edge and reaver are too expensive for wat they give but they can make very good items with other items. 25% lifesteal is great, so is 20%chance of 2.2x. However, upgrading in later games make really big differences, while in early game, although still has its uses, become less effective then just damage items.
Example:
you are Troll warlord and you have a damage of around 100 (when rage is not activated) when you are lvl 11. 10% bonus lifesteal gives you 10 more hp per hit. which is 25 in total.
if you keep it as helm you will have 120 damage, and you steal about 18 life. so its 7 life difference. Is it worth the upgrade?? the recipe is already 1100 and the expensive reaver which can be made into heart as an alternative (not suggesting it for troll)
With the 3200+1100, you can get a vanguard, which gives 225 less hp, but more regen and of cos, enhance your hp with damage block. Its half the price.
Ok now troll wants to sell his satanic for a buriza. IT costs 5950. So troll have 175 damage now. a 20% chance to deal 220% dmage is like an average 24% increase in all attacks. So he deals 175 x 124% = 217 dmage every hit.
However, his teamate called him a noob for that so he sold it and bought a MKB instead (in this case, disregard that bashes dont stack because i choose troll mainly just to represent a ordinary agility hero).
It costs 5400(450less than buriza) and gives 75+100x.30 damage which is around 105 on average. 100+105=205. Just 12 damage less. Also, MkB ministun stops channeling spell, deals pure damage, and MkB gives 15% extra attack speed.
In this case, MKB is better definitely. I relate Satanic to Buriza because of the bonuses are in percentage. 25% lifesteal, 20% chance for 2.2x crit ( which is also 24% incrase in damage on average ) They both benefit much more as your DPS increase so only get the items after your main damage items. Like getting Butterfly, before satanic etc
SO to conclude, early satanic is like early buriza, its less effective
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sfsy1 wrote:
agree.
Also, satanic's upgrade is similar to the buriza upgrade. We all know that demon edge and reaver are too expensive for wat they give but they can make very good items with other items. 25% lifesteal is great, so is 20%chance of 2.2x. However, upgrading in later games make really big differences, while in early game, although still has its uses, become less effective then just damage items.
Example:
you are Troll warlord and you have a damage of around 100 (when rage is not activated) when you are lvl 11. 10% bonus lifesteal gives you 10 more hp per hit. which is 25 in total.
if you keep it as helm you will have 120 damage, and you steal about 18 life. so its 7 life difference. Is it worth the upgrade?? the recipe is already 1100 and the expensive reaver which can be made into heart as an alternative (not suggesting it for troll)
With the 3200+1100, you can get a vanguard, which gives 225 less hp, but more regen and of cos, enhance your hp with damage block. Its half the price.
Ok now troll wants to sell his satanic for a buriza. IT costs 5950. So troll have 175 damage now. a 20% chance to deal 220% dmage is like an average 24% increase in all attacks. So he deals 175 x 124% = 217 dmage every hit.
However, his teamate called him a noob for that so he sold it and bought a MKB instead (in this case, disregard that bashes dont stack because i choose troll mainly just to represent a ordinary agility hero).
It costs 5400(450less than buriza) and gives 75+100x.30 damage which is around 105 on average. 100+105=205. Just 12 damage less. Also, MkB ministun stops channeling spell, deals pure damage, and MkB gives 15% extra attack speed.
In this case, MKB is better definitely. I relate Satanic to Buriza because of the bonuses are in percentage. 25% lifesteal, 20% chance for 2.2x crit ( which is also 24% incrase in damage on average ) They both benefit much more as your DPS increase so only get the items after your main damage items. Like getting Butterfly, before satanic etc
SO to conclude, early satanic is like early buriza, its less effective
yep but to some hero, they do makes sense
Counter_Force[X] wrote:
following the satanic's rage nerf to bonus damage and addition of the imba dark troll, you might delay it for better ASPD items
following the satanic's rage nerf to bonus damage and addition of the imba dark troll, you might delay it for better ASPD items
agree.
Also, satanic's upgrade is similar to the buriza upgrade. We all know that demon edge and reaver are too expensive for wat they give but they can make very good items with other items. 25% lifesteal is great, so is 20%chance of 2.2x. However, upgrading in later games make really big differences, while in early game, although still has its uses, become less effective then just damage items.
Example:
you are Troll warlord and you have a damage of around 100 (when rage is not activated) when you are lvl 11. 10% bonus lifesteal gives you 10 more hp per hit. which is 25 in total.
if you keep it as helm you will have 120 damage, and you steal about 18 life. so its 7 life difference. Is it worth the upgrade?? the recipe is already 1100 and the expensive reaver which can be made into heart as an alternative (not suggesting it for troll)
With the 3200+1100, you can get a vanguard, which gives 225 less hp, but more regen and of cos, enhance your hp with damage block. Its half the price.
Ok now troll wants to sell his satanic for a buriza. IT costs 5950. So troll have 175 damage now. a 20% chance to deal 220% dmage is like an average 24% increase in all attacks. So he deals 175 x 124% = 217 dmage every hit.
However, his teamate called him a noob for that so he sold it and bought a MKB instead (in this case, disregard that bashes dont stack because i choose troll mainly just to represent a ordinary agility hero).
It costs 5400(450less than buriza) and gives 75+100x.30 damage which is around 105 on average. 100+105=205. Just 12 damage less. Also, MkB ministun stops channeling spell, deals pure damage, and MkB gives 15% extra attack speed.
In this case, MKB is better definitely. I relate Satanic to Buriza because of the bonuses are in percentage. 25% lifesteal, 20% chance for 2.2x crit ( which is also 24% incrase in damage on average ) They both benefit much more as your DPS increase so only get the items after your main damage items. Like getting Butterfly, before satanic etc
SO to conclude, early satanic is like early buriza, its less effective
disregard that, i did say "some"
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yep but to some hero, they do makes sense
disregard that, i did say "some"
Hmm, Give some examples? Thx
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sfsy1 wrote:
yep but to some hero, they do makes sense
disregard that, i did say "some"
Hmm, Give some examples? Thx
troll
yep but to some hero, they do makes sense
disregard that, i did say "some"
Hmm, Give some examples? Thx
he has already nice aspd and bash so rushing satanic if you're team is out of tank is worth it
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@CFX
if, ..
that goes with Luna also, .
i think it's situational, whether you should rush upgrading Helm to Satanic or delaying it for Bfly .
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Bishounen2k8 wrote:
@CFX
if, ..
that goes with Luna also, .
i think it's situational, whether you should rush upgrading Helm to Satanic or delaying it for Bfly .
not to luna much, since early damage rush would be better due to her glaives@CFX
if, ..
that goes with Luna also, .
i think it's situational, whether you should rush upgrading Helm to Satanic or delaying it for Bfly .
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so whether there is/isn't any tanks in your team Satanic should be delayed?
well, . . i'd pretty much agree with that in some ways, . .
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