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Garfield


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Discussion: Vladmir's Offering

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:35 am

Let's have some discussions on the new items in the latest version of DotA. I know a lot of you have already tested these items in your own games, but for discussion's sake, and those still new to the game, let's discuss how they affect the game.


Vladmir's Offering
Gives:
+16% Lifesteal Aura (melee)
+12 damage
+80% Brilliance Aura
+5 Devotion Aura
Requires:
Ring of Basilius (500)
Mask of Death (900)
Vlamir's Offering Recipe (1000)

Here's a few notes on this item:
- Lifesteal Aura stacks with any lifesteal orb item, like Helm of Dominator, Mask of Madness, and Satanic, since this item grants the Aura, not the orb effect.
- Lifesteal Aura stacks with King Leoric's Vampiric Aura and Na'ix's Feast.

So this item basically turns your hero into a Skeleton King/Sven hybrid. It's quite cheap for the armor boost and increased mana regen, although Brilliance Aura actually gives off a fixed amount.

IMO, heroes that can use this well are those that are melee, have at least a few spammable skills, and those that need the armor. It would also help if you have Dominated minions that are also melee.

Heroes that come to mind that can use this well:


Aggron Stonebreaker
A lot of people get Ring of Basilius for him, since he's an INT type hero and both melee at the same time. He's already got a good starting armor, 5, so adding the Basilius helps him out a lot and also to be able to regen early game. Upgrading Basilius to Vladmir's Offering is good, as now you can add lifesteal to his survivability, and combined with Bloodlust, he'll be getting life back quickly. Late game, with this item he can tank better, making him a semi-tank and semi-pusher with Multicasted Bloodlust and the Lifesteal Aura.


Rexxar
Ring of Basilius is a great item for him so that he can give the armor bonus to his summoned units. Oh wait, he only has one Quillbeast for battle. But since Satanic is a great item for him, synergizing with his summons, then Helm of Dominator would also be used. So you get to Dominate more creeps and then give them the armor bonus and lifesteal from Vladmir's Offering and you have yourself your own army. Brilliance Aura helps your dominated Centaurs and Furlborgs to regen their mana after they used their Stomp skill, providing more pushing power.


Sven
What's better than stacking Ring of Basilius' Devotion Aura with Sven's Toughness Aura? Stacking more armor of course! Yes, Vladmir's Offering's Devotion Aura stacks directly with Sven's Toughness Aura, giving you virtually a free Platemail. Since you also probably use Mask of Madness for him, its lifesteal will stack with the Lifesteal Aura. Now that makes you even more feared!


Black Arachnia
Of all the pusher heroes, Broodmother uses Vladmir's Offering to its fullest. She spawns a lot of spiders, and giving them all +5 armor is just plain powerful. Unlike Furion and Ezalor, she can use the Lifesteal Aura for herself, making her very potent combined with Incapacitating Bite and Insatiable Hunger. Yes the Lifesteal Aura stacks with her ultimate. Go spiders!


Banehallow
Forget the Brilliance Aura, since he will mostly need the armor bonus and Lifesteal Aura for himself and his wolves. It's not that too much of an impact, but it helps in pushing. Now your wolves won't die too fast.


King Leoric
Like staking Sven's Toughness Aura and Devotion Aura, Leoric's Vampiric Aura and Vladmir's Offering's Lifesteal Aura stack directly. Meaning you get a total of 36% lifesteal, almost as high as Na'ix's. The additional armor makes you an even more powerful tank, and the Brilliance Aura may get you a few extra Storm Bolts as well. Just juicy.


I'm sure some of you could also have ideas to use Vladmir's Offering on other heroes as well, but I think these are the most potent heroes to use them. Post your thoughts. Cool

(PS: No, I don't think I'll get tired of this "Discussion" thing. Wink)
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:17 am

This is a nice item IMHO, but I think it's a bit cheap.

*shrug*

I agree that it's great with Leoric. Your creeps will last longer with lifesteal and armor.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:46 pm

Just imagine: naix feast (40%) + this item (16%) + KL vampiric aura (20%) + satanic (23%) = 99% LIFE STEAL ! U will be healed for as much damage u deal!; btw, this item is quite cool for lannik! Infernal with splash, chaos damage + immolation + 15 armor! + 16% life steal ! Then get refresher! Wew.....
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reccerosama


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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:48 pm

i agree with yukino what if KL and Naix are in the same lane and both get satanic and VO and maybe a hyperstone, and they happen to push with sven :S, at least make it harder to get by increasing tha price by at least 2-300 gold
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Lonewolf


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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:20 am

Hmmm how bout you buy vanguard and vladmir offer for avernus i bet those tower will break really fast and avernus have no feel when been attack by creeps(except tower damn or hero gb you now that more annoying)
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:23 am

Jeez, this item is definitely too cheap. I randomed King Leoric the other night and I totally kicked *ss and it was so easy to earn gold with this item! One of the best items for melee imho, but its price needs to be adjusted.
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:38 am

it's kinda powerful for it's price

goes with sven that has mask of madness (frenzy+26%life steal=ownage)
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:31 pm

does it stack w/ broodmothers last skill + satanic?
lv.16 insatiable 60% + 16%(Vladmir) + Satanic 23%= 99% life steal

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:31 am

Yes, it does.

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Liquie


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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:56 pm

is it 16% or 12% vamp aura? on the item list it says 12%....

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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:08 pm

Yeah,in the item list it says it gives 12%lifesteal,but take a look at this:



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jjshen


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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:15 pm

we can't see the full picture.

this is a very balanced all around good item. It doesn't come with huge advantages in one area. It works well with alot of different aura's, to name a few.

sven's toughness aura
Leoric's vampiric aura
Vengeful spirit's command aura

but i dont' think at all that it its too cheap. If it cost less, then it would be imbalanced.

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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:57 pm

Jjshen: u got Cheap and expensive mixed up, if u r saying it right u,ll say: "... its too expensive, if it would cost less..."

and i think the ppl who complained about the price said that it was to cheap, not to expensive.

i think the item is ok, maybe get the recipe price to 1.4k?
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:35 pm

yeah this item rocks this is my fave item of all time i mean 16% lifesteal
and it's price to cheap but that's why icefrog make it only to melee heroe's because it's cheap
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:05 pm

just remember, the armor aura of Assault and vlads doesn't stack

I also get this for Dirge, good armor, lifesteal and a good mana regen to be able to spam Soul Rip

other good potentials:

Meepo - ultra auras for clones!!
Pandaren - spam those thunder claps and extra lifesteal from crits
Tiny - spamming ava-toss and ultra lifesteal from grow, covers up his mediocre armor
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