Why bfury should NOT be gotten for yunero. READ ON

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:11 am

Metallic, your arguement really isnt very strong.

Since yurnero is melee, he will definitely be harrassed in lane, quite badly. So to stay in lane for longer time to get more XP and gold, ring of health is quite crucial in early game.

Also, in early game, he depends more on skills than attack to kill, and all his skills have high mana cost. So he needs mana. Obviously, if you do not want to return so soon, you will buy void stone.

And that gives you preserverance. I find it hard to survive and still getting a few kills without this item. Since preserverance is not really an offensive item, while Yurnero is meant to be a killer, the upgrade and turn preserverance into a damage item, with extra damage, extra regen and a free cleave, for no cost. (no recipe)

Well, u said 1 rason BF isnt good is the cleave deals little damage and wont be able to kill any1. But the cleave is just an extra. It gives u pure damage in a small radius for no cost. if 50 damage is tickle, what about radiance? i know it has big AOE, but isnt it just a big aoe very light tickle??

Whether you are farming by cleave or last hitting, it doesnt matter. It is how much creep kills you get in a wave.
In late games, with so high damage items, do you really bother to last hit? Battlefury helps you get kills, because in late game pushes or defenses, its very very crowded. You may not be able to even reach some creeps because u r melee, so battlefury actually could help.

Ok why not u share with us your complete item build, in order.
_________________

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:36 pm

yep very true. Whos gonna be tryin to last hit creeps while there are 2-3 heroes pushing along with a large creep wave into ur base.

And since we hav settled that perseverance is really imp for jugg at the starting , wont it be better to convert it to bfury rather than a linkens as bfury gives extra 65 damage while linkens gives magic immunity which jugg already has in the form of bladefury.

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:47 pm

Absolutly right

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:08 pm

Erm, /disagree.
I for one don't really care (and I think most people don't either) if someone cant last hit. Bfury adds damage to an otherwise lowish damage hero.
Omnislash doesn't hit more times because of the extra attack speed. This is why Bfury is better when using omni, which you will in crowded hero areas. So pretty much, bfly does nothing to help your ulti after from finish it faster. Bfury also splashes omnislash damage to near opponents, making it a good tool for more than one kill.

And when I play jug I get bfury and vlads, but saying that your third point isn't very on topic, bfury isn't mainly used for the regen, and what can you spam with jug anyway? If you have bfury no reason to spin every creep wave.

...my two cents

Last edited by Teacuptim on Sun May 11, 2008 4:43 am; edited 1 time in total

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:10 pm

badefury also gives you a total of 700 damage which is splashed anyway, can someone other than me see the flaw....

get battlefury if you don't get bladefury

does anyone actually do that?
i think i may be the only one.


@above
thats fail of you
_________________
I was wrong, apparently I don't exist.
Owning your Logic with Infinite Contradiction since 1873

Read this kiddies!

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:14 pm

^
^
Agree w/ ghost.. m_g is not online this time.. too bad, he cant answer back to you guyz..

btw, read the PREVIOUS POSTS please! Most of your points were discussed already.. -_-,


_________________
-While such powers are valuable, her true origin will never cease to linger around in the judging eyes of others.-

frOzEntraxex

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:18 pm

I <3 being right

i still cant get over the randomness of teacuptim's post...
_________________
I was wrong, apparently I don't exist.
Owning your Logic with Infinite Contradiction since 1873

Read this kiddies!

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:30 pm

As if he juz repeated what the other said.. But sfsy1 got a point.. But then, BFury to jugg is only an optional item at all.. -_-, *tired*

Where's m_g?, Maybe busy..


_________________
-While such powers are valuable, her true origin will never cease to linger around in the judging eyes of others.-

frOzEntraxex

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:54 pm

just buy 2 BFs and 2 Butters ...

problem solved ....
_________________

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:06 pm

I truly believe that BFury is a viable item for Jugg. It's synergy with Blade dance makes it an extremely effective farming tool, the regen will a great help early game, not to mention that bfury is one of the most cost-efficient(damage-wise)items in the game. The cleave will also improve when yo get your DPS items, making it even easier to farm. It's main purpose is to help Jugg farm for better DPS items and it executes it quite effectively.

However, while a fury is very decent farming item for Jugg, there are better items in the game that will not only help him farm, but give him enough DPS to kill heroes. More experienced players can farm with ease without the cleave, using superior DPS instead; therefore making the fury(as great as it is) obsolete since it's main purpose is to help the player farm.



My conclusion is that you should only get battlefury on Yurnero if:
a.) you have trouble farming
b.) your enemy team are pushers and a bladefury will not be enough to stop their army of creeps
c.) if you're too lazy to last hit throughout the game(like me)
e.) all of the above.

I myself rush a fury whenever I random Jugg on pub games since I tend to be too lazy to last hit by mid game; with a fury, a + left click on the ground will suffice to get all the gold.

PS. Keep in mind that debates are quire welcomed here, but forcing your opinions on others is another thing.
_________________

Stupid questions will not be entertained.

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:32 pm

People keep sayin he doesnt need bfury since he already has bladefury to farm of creeps but late game bladefury jus gives 140 dmg per sec while juggs normal attack does atleast twice that much damage per sec therefore he can farm much faster in a large creep wave. The only use of bladefury at late game is the magic immunity.

Bfury can also be used to set up an omnislash by clearing all the creeps near the hero fast to omni effectively.
_________________
Infinite 'pro' ness

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:04 pm



Is it that BladeFury is also a set up to your omnislash?
There you go.. Orochi has a point also.. (The point is, BFury to Juggy is viable BUT! *optional*

Like I said, there are more better items to buy for Juggy..

Where's m_g?? tzKk.. Maybe later.. ,


_________________
-While such powers are valuable, her true origin will never cease to linger around in the judging eyes of others.-

frOzEntraxex

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:23 pm

off topic:

double posted! ahe . .

sorry mods .
_________________
where do you go when the curtain's coming down?




click the image above and join exclusive.highforum.net now and get DS shields for free!

jump in, i'll throw you a line

Last edited by Bishounen2k8 on Sat May 10, 2008 11:31 pm; edited 1 time in total

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:24 pm

Weh . . .

well i too go for bfury .

especially in situations wherein enemies have images, clones, and or summons . .

then the other items mentioned next, . .

good regen, good damage, good farming , . .
_________________
where do you go when the curtain's coming down?




click the image above and join exclusive.highforum.net now and get DS shields for free!

jump in, i'll throw you a line

Back to top

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:29 pm

Good Anti Clone,
Nice point.
_________________
Rep NLC

Back to top

This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.
Page 9 of 16    Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 8, 9, 10 ... 14, 15, 16  Next / Jump to Page 12345678910111213141516



View previous topic   View next topic
All times are GMT

Display posts from previous:  All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First 

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum

Jump to:  Select a forum General----------------AnnouncementsWelcome BoothBugs & SuggestionsRules and RegulationsCORPO Center Dota Allstars----------------Latest ReleasesQuestions and AnswersHeroesItemsGeneral DiscussionsDream HeroesDream ItemsDotA ReplaysPremium DotA ReplaysThe Library Chit Chat----------------EtceteraJoke TimeGraphics CenterOther GamesFan FictionThe Armory Playing Online----------------Organized GamesHamachi Servers Archives----------------Dota Allstars ArchivesChitChat ArchivesDS Surveys

DotaStrategy.com Forum Index    .    Items