Why bfury should NOT be gotten for yunero. READ ON

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:46 am

hmmm to come and think about it, with 2300 posts i have never made a real dota related thread

might as well start working on my hero counter guide
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The name says it all.. Battle Fury...

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:47 am

The title.. why Bfury should not? is a NO!... its not it shouldn't be... its more like it can be...

I CAN F*&*ING BUILD WHAT I WANT..

why battlefury... coz.. it speeds up the game... to finish..

games can only lasts so long for one to need all item slots with elite items.. if he's noobish enough to let it lasts that long..



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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:47 am

Lol
I've tried mael for jugger but only as a fun build because I got wayyy too many kills early and was able to buy 2 hypers haha...den made a mjollnir.
but I cannot say for sure as I haven't tested it out and don't want to give you false recommendations..
I don't see the real harm in it, but nor the real point. o.0


EDIT: Err @ Trench..should=not viable, not a good idea, there are better things to buy

it does NOT mean you can't buy it, or DONT buy it..
its just not recommended (by me o.0)..buy whatever the hell you want..lol why dont you try dagon5,boots of speed,mekanism,euls, an energy booster and a GG branch?
It does NOT speed the game up..read what other people have wrote before posting. because by what you are saying, you are implying that bfury will aid you in getting all your other items..and it doesnt


@CFX
a good guide will be better than a stupid thread like this anyway LOL
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:48 am

you didnt read at all dont you?
you are not the only player in a game
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:50 am

Well, Maelstrom gives basically the same damage as Battlefury and it's a high chance you'll release a chain lightning. Think of the CL as bonus damage =] Just like MKB.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:51 am

Lol, i've actually seen a Juggs with Mael/Moj in action. It actually pretty effective to a certain degree.

[Edit]:@Tr3nchtown: Wow r you serious? You can speed up a game with Blade Fury on Juggs? I'd like to see that (unless of course you play with n00bz).

@Topic: Looks like tr3nchtown could be gg'd in this thread...

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:56 am

@Tokemus
you must be talking about Mjollnir (70 damage), because mael only gives you 31 damage (25 plus 6 agi).

yeh it's not a bad item, since he is an agi hero..its only fun to bladefury and see the chain lightning come into action lol..bladefury + chain lightning =gg to creeps
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:56 am

well thats easy for you
13 alphabetical keys on my keyboard is screwed
i use on screen keyboard
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:58 am

@ ghost

yeah sure. bfurry is not a good choice for yurnero. seems like your a very expert yurnero player huh?! with all youve said, you really stressed out thr point on why not bfurry on him. because

1 HE NEEDS ias
2 more AS, more CRITS
3 more AS nore slashes on OMNI

yeah right.
but me my self get a bfurry as my first item on him.
wanna know why? cmon u already know the answer. mana, hp, damage and cleave is just a plus on bfurry. sure, RoB will suffice on mana and. RoR for hp. wheres the damge man? the slots that you can save just by buying bfurry as a PACKAGE ITEM.
and ofcourse, AS YOUVE SAID ONLY NOOBS ARE RELIANT ON BFURRY AS THEIR FARMING SKILL.. sigh.. AND LAST HITTING IS THE EXPERT MODE.. sigh again
i mean, mid or late game you wouldnt mind last hitting every creeps in every creep waves man, what you want to do is to push harder and to counter push fast enough to defend the other lanes. whoa man i hope you are getting my point here. why WE yurnero players buy bfurry on him? because were noobs?
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:01 am

really try not to suck about something you really have no idea at
BF is like deso+bottle which gives even more
you have been owned
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:06 am

Lol @ CfX
gotta give him a better answer than that!

@koy koy
In late game, you will have sufficient damage, and AS to kill creeps easily, like I have said before, is cleaving the only GOOD way to farm? No..huge damage and fast attack speed can take down creeps just as easy.

I didnt say get RoR..I said get RoB which will be turned into a vlad..and that takes care of your hp and mana problems because you will lifesteal as well as have a brilliance aura..
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:08 am

i assume he has brains
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:11 am

With 1 or 2 Battlefuries located somewhere in your build, Yunero has enough damage so he doesn't need to spam spin. You shoudn't be spamming Spin by the time its mid game because you would do much more damage just attacking. The only reason to spin beyond early game would be do deflect stuns and spells.

I still think Battlefury is a viable build on Yunero, but it's true - he probably isn't as efficient as he could be. But the point is that 1 or 2 bf actually still gets the job done.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:24 am

"@koy koy
In late game, you will have sufficient damage, and AS to kill creeps easily, like I have said before, is cleaving the only GOOD way to farm? No..huge damage and fast attack speed can take down creeps just as easy. "

..... what the hell...? 2-3 hits per meleecreep and 1-2 hits(omni build) per rangecreep OR 4 hits(bfury) to kill ALL meleecreeps and 2-3 hits to kill the rangedcreep.

The point of bfury is to evolve your character and the game into something that's on par with what you want it to be. Bfury supplies everything in 1 item, and is undeniably useful. The cleave is a more valid farming tool than bladestorm, 'cause bladestorm imho is an initiator or an escape primarily. It's just too useful to escape with to use on creeps, that's why i'd get bfury.

You constantly say "140 dmg cleave, how u gonna kill with that?"
You're NOT buying the bfury to kill people with cleave, you're buying it to farm faster to buy better items for yurnero.

There's a big difference effectivity and efficiency. And bfury is just more efficient. It'll help you kill faster(cleave = freakin' AOE dmg), stay in play(healthregen + endless healing ward) and later on, it'll help you easier and push faster, which is undeniably a good thing in dota.

I hate to rely on 1 sole skill to kill heroes with, unless it's something lowcooldown like,I don't know.. stormbolt or something. Onmislash isn't a 1hit1kill wonder like you make it to be.
"Get butterfly & S&Y and you'll pwn with omni"
that might be true, but only very situational, i'd say butterfly & satanic are better, 'cause you'll stay alive longer.

Omni is too situational, they reduced the searchrange, which somewhat makes it better, but even though. It's 3/5/8 hits, which is rarely enough to kill enemies at fullhp with. Ofcourse butter and S&Y/satanic will severely reduce there health, but also reduce yours, since you'll need to be in realtime combat.
My point is that people relying on an ultimate with a 110sec cd(at best) are more noob than people relying on an item to farm the crap out of dota.

Bfury is a bridge to better items, it helps you gain the gold to buy items that'll truly let yurnero shine.

There IS NO WAY you can compare a hyperstone to a bfury.
Hyperstone = IAS
Bfury = Damage, regen for both HP&MP, and 35%cleave

Item cost isn't the same, but even then, you can't get a hyperstone, and something that compensates for the 35%cleave and something for HP&MP regen in the same budget as bfury.

BFury is excellent to farm, better than bfury(which is imo, a better initiator or an escape, since it's dmg is relatively high and AoE, and magic immunity)

And as a conclusion, what the f*** Counter_Force[X] ?
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:25 am

Not 1 bfury..
2 bfury if you feel the need to get the item.
but with that and treads, you attack too slow to be much use in team fights, except your omni and other stuff.
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