Why bfury should NOT be gotten for yunero. READ ON

Why bfury should NOT be gotten for yunero. READ ON

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:19 am

There's this norm belief that (a) battlefury is a MUST for yunero and I see a lot of people just farming for the same old build..and fail to own.
Some reasons why people get battlfury
1.it helps farming
2.with his critical he can take down 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 heroes.
3.it gives good regen to spam your bladefury

these are the primary reasons why people get the item. Here's why you shouldn't
1.if you are farming by cleave and not last hitting, that shows you are not very experienced..faster AS and last hitting should be used to kill every single creep in the creep wave, and 35% cleaving isn't good in taking down neutrals..faster AS is much better, since you will proc crit more and faster. Since bfury is the first item people get, and your damage averages around 145 (80+65 from bfury) 35% of that is only 50.75 damage take away armor reduction, which tickles the cleaved units.

2.This is the main reason I have problems with. I saw this guide recently by Amplirage where he only put 1 battlefury on his build..by mid game when he has other items and does 400 damage with his critical (200 normal) 35% of that is only 140 damage..who would you expect to take down with that puny cleave?? But say you get 2 battlefuries, which gives you a decent 70% cleave, but you have NO AS..meaning you crit less, which is the point of getting a bfury on him in the first place (high chance crit=good cleave)...and you delay in getting items that will be much more beneficial to you.

3.good regen to spam? why not just buy a vlad or RoB? it gives you enough mana regen to use your spells when you need it, which hopefully you won't be using to farm creeps (only beginner players use bladefury to farm creeps, which you might need to kill/escape enemy heroes). and if you do decide to get a perser..why not make linkens? which is wayyy more beneficial to him in more ways than one, since he will be the main target in most ganks and team battles (if he is the carry, and he will most likely be a carry, team dpser, team killer).

I wrote (a) battlefury because that's what I see most people getting..
I know I've posted something like this, stressing out the points that no one obviously wants to hear and just ignore me as a noob..sigh
agree with me or else...
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:28 am

I'm listening!

Anyways, Bfury is a viable option on Yurnero. His mana sucks, but this item gives you the regeneration of it fast. As for attack speed, you can worry about that later. Bfury gives you regen, uber damage, and cleave which works great with uber damage. That can farm you up enough quickly to get attack speed stuff.

BTW, I'd rather get a MoM (more AS you see) over a vlads, and RoB's aura isn't that good compared to getting a Void stone. Cleave is not weak either >, it wears down the rest of the units you want to fight after killing the first target.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:36 am

zz
from experience (and currently yunero is my top hero) RoB is sufficient enough to use your spells, unless you tend to spam your bladefury,omni,healing ward, and in that case you shouldnt be playing yunero at all..

You say uber damage? Yunero has no uber damage..he has an average, if not lower base damage than most agi heroes..its his critical that defines his so called 'uber' damage, but than again like I said..even if you deal 400 damage, 35% is only 140 damage..who are you going to kill with 140 damage? especially late game where you actually deal 400 damage..

farming is done easily by last hitting, not cleaving..bfury is only actually good on heroes such as magnus, sven, etc..and maybe pa, because her crit is particularly high, but then again if I actually buy a bfury, I buy 2 for her..and thats not very often unless full of melee heroes..

why MoM? do you actually have a good Hp to be able to deal with the 25% extra damage taken..especially since you buy a bfury, you must be taking on 2 or more heroes, in which case a MoM will be fatal to you
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:50 am

Agree with me or else

That sounds like a threat,moving on anyways

1.)It helps so much a lot more in farming.Imagine a large push with over 50 creeps.Obviously we would use Bladefury , but after Bladefury has ended , what after that? We attack the creeps 1 by 1 ? Its much more easier to do this with Battlefury as all the other creeps get killed while killing your main targeted creeps.

2.)Sure he doesn't have enough AS , but it does give him a whooping +65 Damage bonus which can obviously , suffice.Yurnero can already attack fast with or without IAS items , but obviously no noob would end the game with only a Battlefury and his Boots of Choice right? What I'm saying here is when you have obtained your Battlefury and your Boots of Choice (Power Treads or Boots of Travel) then farming for IAS items obviously the Butterfly and the Sange&Yasha and Vladmir's Offering or Mask of Madness and something else that you want.

3.)Battlefury gives you enough regen to spam your Bladefury sure we all know that,Vladmir's and RoB can also do that.But Battlefury is just an all in one package.Damage , cleave , mana regen , hp regen...You get what I mean.You can also get Vladmir's because it gives you Lifesteal , hp regen , mana regen and a damage aura another all in one item.Meaning you can have both of these at the same time.Giving you power and makes your enemies afraid.

I hope you get my point , then again it all goes to one pathetic word

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:53 am

Meh. Get a Maelstrom then It's like cleaving in a way that the lightning deals about the same damage as the splash.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:55 am

So you get 1 bfury that gives only 35% cleave?
1 word..lol??
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:56 am

GTG 1st guyz.. something to do.. i'll juz answer here later.. heRmMm.. This will be cool topic..

btw, nice sig m_g.. ,


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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:56 am

zzz..i cant believe that bfury should not buy on yurnero??
the cleave helps yurnero to farm better items, and you can buy IAS item after you bought battlefury, and battlefury helps take down enemy at the same time..

look at the video on youtube, yurnero can triple kill with 3 battlefury!!
zzz
you said, why not ROB and VLAD?

do you think that ROB AND VLAD have 65+ damage and 6 regen/sec?
ha?ha?
delaying for getting items?
after i get battlefury, i can easily buy butterfly because of cleave,
i ignore you!!!zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
no battle fury on yurnero?zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:02 am

Lol?
that's 3 bfuries which is 105% cleave..I was talking about getting 1 bfury..BUT if you are willing to talk multiple items..do you think 3 bfury which gives no AS is better than 2 butterfly and a mkb? I know I'm abit biased here because those items are more expensive than bfuries...
No I have not seen the video on youtube because he was probably playing against either a noob, or against Ai's...which I do not think counts for much and the 2 butterfly, and mkb will be much better than the 3 bfuries you mentioned..crazy attack speed anyone? more hits between your omnislash anyone?


Sigh at people who has an enormous overexpectation of the 'farming with cleave' idea...
if you get 3 butterfly (assuming this instead of 3 bfuries) you will most likely to finish an entire creep wave slower than with 3 bfuries but the implications and the benefits of AS over Cleave is staggering..and far outweighs the cleave
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:09 am

on youtube?

DID you SAY AI?
the people are saying lol lol ROFL Lmao after yurnero kill all the scourge,


@topic

but i dont get 3 battlefury

i only get 1, then butterfly, and butterfly again, etc,,,,,,,..,.,...

i agree on drifterz
he said that no noob would end the game with only a Battlefury and his Boots of Choice right? look at this sentence,,
he's right,, and as drifter said, there are 50 creeps on a lane,you cast your bladefury,, after 5 seconds, some creeps are still alive? what would you do?kill the creeps one by one? i think that sounds funny, haha,
so get battlefury. because battlefury is easy to get and other items too,
if you have battlefury,, haha,, so funny topic!!
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:10 am

@fr0zEntraxex: I made that sig for him! ;p Just use the link in my sig if you want one too!

@Topic: THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT METALLIC_GHOST!
God its annoying when everyone says Bfury is a pro item fro Juggs when its actually not suited to him at all!

What he has posted here is the truth and nothing but the truth!

@DrifterZ: 5 seconds on bladefury = 140x5 aoe dmg = 700dmg which im sure is more then enough to take down a whole creep wave, even with dmg reduction factored in.

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:15 am

"off-topic"

can i speak tagalog?

so i can explain what's the whole uses of battlefury..
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:16 am

Yeh..why wouldn't you kill them 1 by 1? it would only take you a hit or 2 with your massive aspd and damage.

That's what I'm saying..1 bfury is not viable..if you are going to get it, you should get 2..just for the cleave sake, because they stack 100% not diminishingly.

Of course no noob would finish the game with a bfury and boot, but only noobs will get a bfury on yunero. I used to be one of them..following the trend and the norm by getting it but I have since realized that there are better items to fill your slots with.

AGAIN read my post. you want to tickle your enemy with a 140 damage cleave?? or deal a massive 400 damage with 30% ias and another 30 ias?
dont get caught up in the norm, use your head


EDIT: by hitting one by one?!? then how does dpser like drow,viper and other farm if they cant cleave..OMFG they have to farm by hitting them ONE BY ONE OH NO THEY SUCK AT FARMING!! is that true? I dont think so..they attack fast enough to farm well by hitting the creeps one by one..
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:17 am

I couldnt agree more. Try getting Treads and vlads to start, then S&Y then Butterfly, ill post some replays tomorrow to prove it is way better than battlefury, HE NEEDS ATTACK SPEED and survivability, which comes from lifesteal str(S&Y) and evasion from bfly. The regen in vlads is good enough. If your a noob its all right but its really not as good as you think.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:20 am

@mirana0406: There is a rule that says you must compose your reply in english so that everyone can understand it. When you preview your reply it says above the reply subject.

@Topic: You already have a cleaving attack/spell (w/e) in Blade Fury so why waste gold getting perma cleave?

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