You can not target friendly units with this spell?

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:52 am

i'm sure that it is possible to with a single trigger command (-tk or something), all ice-frog would need to do is add it in... and hope that allies didn't go killing each other..
then there would be balance issues and things, global silence becomes global?

but yes, while it is a good idea it could be a bitch to implement.
and it would suck if you healed your enemy by accident.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:03 pm

sounds better
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:18 pm

If this was implemented, there would be an unimaginable amount of Jackasses on bnet/GGC.

If you want to have spells that can harm your allies, go play Warcraft 3 melee.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:36 pm

If you were using Tiny, can you toss a very low life allied hero to an enemy hero who's chasing him? Wouldn't you like, deny your own ally by killing him that way? Or something...?

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:01 pm

It wouldn't be as fun as it sounds.
Somebody could do something n00bishly/blablabla...
I say there should be a mode(-..) for this..
So you could use it when you're playing with someone you trust/ for fun!!
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:03 pm

@vince: Well actually I prefer tossing my ally into the lake or near roshan whre he gets stuck.

This might be able to be implemented in a certain game mode for professional players like what ghost said. Something like CS with friendly-fire on.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:22 pm

Better to leave it as it is. Keep the orginality of dota otherwise it'l become a totally different game.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:35 pm

For all those with constructive comments: Thank you.
Everyone else: Put your BS comments elsewhere.

First off. I like the addition by some stating that Aptropos' sleep can be placed on allies. That is precisely what I am talking about. He is putting a damaging spell onto one of his allies but there are potential positive effects if done properly. If abused, this spell is incredibly irritating which goes along with many of the negative comments so far. But as we all know the players that use Sleep on allies are as*hol**. This is central to my thought. If you are playing with a bunch of idiots then the game is going to suck regardless. People who abuse their spells should be banned just as with any other jerk off behavior.

As far as accidentally clicking Finger or Laguna Blade on allies: you need to be more careful with hazardous magic. As I think more about changing the game to a spell on allies game I realize that it should only be allowable in pro matches. I like one of the comments suggesting a mode where you can select this more realistic style of play.

As promised I have comprised the list of heroes and the spells which may or may not be used on allies.

Heroes to remain unchanged:
Syllabear, Raigor Stonehoof, Rooftrellen, Ezalor, Furion, Tiny, Squee and Spleen, Rexxar, Jakiro, Mirana Nightshade, Raijin, Puck, Krobelus, Magnus, Banehallow, Dark Terror, Slardar, Anub’seran, Nervermore, Crixalis, Abaddon, Mercurial, Demnok Lannik, Meepo, Azgalor, Dirge, Ish-kafel, Kael, Slithice, Rigwarl,

Which spells to have ally clickable or affect an ally?
Y=Yes
IA=Yes, if ally is attacked
UC=Unchanged
Shendelzare Silkwood
Magic Missile (Y); Terror (UC); Swap (UC)
Zeus
Chain (Y, secondary blasts will only hit enemies); Lightning Bolt (Y); Static Field (UC); Thurndergod’s Wrath (UC)
Aiushtha
Impetus (Y); Enchant (UC); Nature’s Attendants (Y); Untouchable (Yes, if ally attacks you)
Morphling
Waveform (UC); Adaptive Strike (Y); Replicate (UC)
Rylai Crestfall
Frost Nova (Y, splash damage No); Frostbite (Y); Freezing Field (UC)
Sven
Storm Bolt (Y); Great Cleave (UC)
Rikimaru
Blink Strike (UC, still no damage); Smoke Screen (UC); Backstab (IA)
Lina Inverse
Dragon Slave (UC); Light Strike Array (UC); Ultimate (IA); Laguna Blade (Y)
Nortrom
Curse of the Silent (UC); Glaives of Wisdom (Y); Last Word (UC); Gloal Silence (UC)
Yurnero
Blade Fury (UC); Healing Ward (UC); Blade Dance (IA); Omnislash (Yes, first attack will effect ally, after that Yurnero will either jump to an enemy if there are any present, or the spell ends if there are none, Yurnero will not jump from enemy to friendly units, only first strike can be targeted on ally)
Darchrow
Malefice (Y); Coversion (UC); Midnight Pulse (UC); Black Hole (UC)
Ulfsaar
Earthshock (UC); Overpoers (IA); Fury Swipes (IA); Enrage (IA)
Aggron Stonebreaker
Fireblast (Y); Ignite (UC); Bloodlust (UC); Multi Cast (Y)
Boush
Laser (Y); Heat Seeking Missile (UC); March of the Machines (UC)
Azwraith
Spirit Lance (Y)
Chen
Penitence (Y); Test of Faith (UC)
Razzil Darkbrew
Acid Spray (UC); Unstable Concoction (Y)
Huskar
Inner Vitality (UC); Burning Spear (Y); Life Break (Y)
Lanaya
Refraction (IA); Meld (IA); Psi Blades (UC); Psionic Trap (UC)
Luna Moonfang
Lucent Beam (Y); Moon Glave (IA, will bounce from ally to enemy not visa versa); Lunar Blessing (IA); Eclipse (UC)
Kardel Sharpeye
Scatter Shot (UC); Headshot (IA); Take Aim (IA); Assassinate (Y)
Jah’rakal
Berserker Rage (IA); Blind (UC); Fervor (UC); Rampage (UC)
Rhasta
Forked Lightning (Y, only the targeted ally will be hit, not others standing nearby); Voodoo (Y); Hero Schackles (Y); Mass Serpent Ward (UC)
Mangix
Thunder Clap (UC); Drunken Haze (Y); Drunken Brawler (IA)
Bradwarden
Hoof Stomp (UC); Double Edge (Y); Return (Y, if allies attack you)
Gondar
Shuriken Toss (Y); Jinada (IA); Windwalk (IA); Track (UC)
Knight Davion
Breath Fire (UC); Dragon Tail (Y)
Magina
Mana Break (UC); Spell Shield (Y, if ally attacks with spell); Mana Void (Y)
Traxex
Frost Arrows (UC); Silence (UC); Trueshot Aura (IA); Marksmanship (IA)
Purist Thunderwrath
Purification (Y, if enemy is healed other nearby enemies will take damage); Repel (UC); Degen Aura (UC); Guardian Angel (UC)
Terrorblade
Soul Steal (Y, allied heroes/creeps); Sunder (UC)
Leshrac
Split Earth (UC); Diabolic Edict (UC); Lightning Storm (Y, can target ally for first bolt others will only hit enemies); Pulse Nova (UC)
Kel’Thuzad
Frost Nova (Y, splash does not affect allies); Frost Armor (UC); Chain Frost (Y, can target ally for first blast, rest of the chain will only hit enemies)
Visage
Grave Chill (Y)
Lion
Voodoo (UC); Imapale (UC); Mana Drain (Y); Finger of Death (Y)
Lesale Deathbringer
Shadow Strike (Y); Poison Sting (IA); Plague Ward (UC); Poison Nova (UC)
Nessaj
Blink Strike (UC); Chaos Bolt(Y); Critical Strike (IA)
Black Arachnia
Spawn Spiderlings (Y); Spin Web (UC); Incapacitating Bite (IA); Insatiable Hunger (IA)
Mortred
Stifling Dagger (Y); Blink Strike (UC); Coup de Grace (IA)
Medusa
Split Shot (UC); Chain Lightning (Y, secondary blasts will only hit enemies); Purge (UC)
Balanar
Void (Y); Crippling Fear (UC)
King Leoric
Storm Bolt (Y); Critical Strike (IA)
Lucifer
LVL Death (Y); Doom (UC)
Anub’arak
Impale (UC); Mana Burn (Y); Spiked Carapace (Y, if attacked by ally); Vendetta (Y)
Akasha
Shadow Strike (Y); Scream of Pain (UC); Sonic Wave (UC)
Bone Clinkz
Searing Arrows (Y)
Viper
Poison Attack (Y); Corrosive Skin (IA); Viper Strike (Y)
Razor
Chain (Y, secondary blasts will only hit enemies); Storm Seeker (UC)
Niax
Feast (IA); Open Wounds (UC)
Pugna
Nether Blast (UC); Decrepify (UC); Nether Ward (UC); Life Drain (Y, allied heroes/creeps)
Leviathan
Gush (Y); Anchor Smash (UC); Ravage (UC)
Atropos
Enfeeble (Y); Brain Sap (Y, allied heroes/creeps); Nightmare (UC); Fiends’s Grip (Y)
Rotund’jere
Death Pulse (UC); Reaper’s Scythe (Y)
Pudge
Meat Hook (UC); Rot (UC); Dismember (Y)
Barathrum
Charge of Darkness (Y); Greater Bash (IA); Nether Strike (Y)
Mogul Khan
Berserkers Call (UC); Battle Hunger (UC); Counter Helix (UC); Culling Blade (Y)
Strygwyr
Bloodrage (UC); Blood Bath (Y); Strygwyr’s Thirst (UC); Rupture (Y)
Vol’Jin
Paralyzing Casks (Y, first hit can be targeted at ally all further hits will only strike enemy units); Maledict (UC); Death Ward (UC)
Harbinger
Arcane Orb (Y); Astral Imprisonment (UC); Sanity’s Eclipse (UC)
Dazzle
Poison Touch (Y); Weave (UC); Shadow Wave (UC); Shallow Grave (Y, you can put it on the enemy, I wouldn’t though, unless a very low health enemy was about to deny them, then go for it ; p)
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:52 pm

Is it even possible within the game mechanics to have something like chain lightening hit an ally on first hit and then distinguish enemies from allies on the following bounces...same with something like Paralyzing Casks.

Also, I think that putting in some kind of mode would be the best bet as then it would give the option for premade games to have that ability. I don't think it would work in pub games...some teams can barely get along as it is, give them the ability to kill each other and they probably will abuse it (stunning each other so they can get the final shot on kills etc)
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:38 pm

@cloggxor
You may be correct about the game mechanics, I am not familiar with how these things work.
Basically I just think it would be an improvement for the game overall. Everyone is right about the maturity of the players and if they play seriously or not, but I believe that they have the ability to be poor sports already (i.e. AFK, KSing, non-team player, anything that is un-sportsman like). True this would give them the opportunity to be even worse, but that is the nature of many improvements, if used incorrectly they make they aren’t improvements. Correct?
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:08 pm

bloodseeker:oops soz barathrum i didnt meant to cast rupture on you when you was charging the 20life-escaping enemy!!

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:14 pm

@tzoglis
Thank you. That is a perfect example of someone who would get banned. An example BS using rupture on an Allied unit properly would be this:
You are BS with very low hp. Your lane mate is about to get killed by a tower (no chance to live) and you are about to die from an enemy hero also! Doesn’t look good... You rupture your friendly hero denying the enemy the kill. Your health goes way up from the blood bath and you turn around and pwn the enemy hero or make your escape. 0 to 0 is way better then 0 and 2.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:59 pm

but the whole thing is sooooo situational lol. i understand what you are implementing but for all we know, this may not even be possible! But if it ever was created, like everyone else has already said, it would HAVE to be a game mode or else the number of people playing Dota would drop.

BTW, why would you want to be able to multicast Fireblast on an ally or even Fiend's Grip lol. Disable two heroes on your side FTL! Only viable uses i see are for denying besides the ocassional improve the range of a spell or getting more summons/allies (spiderlings, etc). I mean, why would you want to slow, blind, silence, weaken, or even stun your ally? DK's Dragon Tail or Rhasta's Shackles on an ally is just weird lol.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:16 pm

he masde a list, i fully support the idea no aslong as it is a game mode attached to the end -apemtk
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:18 pm

yeah i read the list, hence shackles and grip

i agree with what Ghost said, -apemtk or nothing though i think that your list should be tweaked a bit
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