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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:29 pm

@duhhh
sorry the gold is late
i couldnt log on to DS last night after i posted
and btw jemual is a he
and aside from that i live in the philippines
our time is the same as yours but whenever it is morning in your area its night here,when its night in your area it morning here,we are 12 hours ahead
@folechno
would you want to take over now?
i would really want to answer your question since i need gold to further host questions here(since only a few joined the gamble question,where are all the rich users here in DS they all suddenly went unactive? )
@jemual
why not join us?your missing out on the fun
(or rather we want your gold,*evil laugh*)
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:15 pm

so here's my question 9000 total up for grabs, and yes it is similar, I don't have an imagination and take joy in others' suffering

Part 1: 6000 gold reward
Team 1: all lvl 25
-Chen (BoT, HotD, Refresher, Necronomicon, Mekansm, Vlads)
-Ezalor (BoT, HotD, Linkens, Manta, Mekansm, Necronomicon)
-Visage (BoT, HoT, Butterfly, EoS, HotD, Necronomicon)
-Anub`seran (Treads, Refresher, BKB, Necronomicon, Radiance, Necronomicon)
-Furion (Treads, Dagon 1, HotD, Refresher, Manta, Scepter)

Team 2: all level 25
-Earthshaker (Kelen's Dagger, Gem of True Sight)
-Vol'jin (Kelen's Dagger, BKB + any 4 other items of your choice)

Say Team 1 summoned as many units (via spells, item skills, etc) as it could. After having reached it's peak number of units, Team 1 started to push mid. Out of the blue, Easrthshaker and Vol'jin blink in (after activating BKB)with Kelen's Dagger and Vol'jin casts Maledict followed by Chaos Ward and ES uses Echo Slam, Fissure, and Enchant Totem. Assuming no cast time for Maledict, what is the maximum damage incurred by any unit?

Show your work and good luck! You will need it!


Part 2: 2000 gold reward
If a lvl 25 Pudge with 6 Hearts of Tarrasque was that unit that took the most damage, how many creeps did he kill (assuming he got no hero kills) or how many heroes did he kill (assuming he got no creep kills)? (did not count magic damage reduction, also lvl 4 flesh heap bonus for all kills)

Bonus question for 500 gold:
Which hero can get out of this? (With a fast enough hand of course and take no damage even if ES aimed the suns at him or went to start attacking this unit)

Bonus question for 500 gold:
What is the window of time for this to be done?

Notes:
This question is open to anybody. Proceed at your own risk. You have been warned.

If you need them, I will give hints. The first 3 are free and then the reward goes down 1000 gold each time.

You can work in teams, but the total gold is the same so you will individually get less gold.

If no one can get the first part, then I will post the answer and then you guys can try the second part to get the 2000 gold
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:24 pm

well before anything else, the answer to one of the bonus questions (the dodging one) is:

Puck using Phase Shift

and the window of time of it is:

Up to 3 seconds.

Also note that technically Void could dodge ALL of it if he got lucky
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:06 pm

I don't really get the bonus question but I'll make a try since its not a gamble xD.

My answer is Dark rift of pit lord (was that right? or left?)

Window of time is 4 seconds (lvl 16)

Well, can anybody explain that coz' I do't get the 1st bonus questions ^^

What about the chaos ward? No aghanims and only double bounce? How can we get it individually, meaning, there are units that get different damage. Is that right.

reply please

P.S. what's ES? xD

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:35 pm

No replies yet. I better sleep and wait till tomorrow since I need more explanations.

When i saw Dohyun's post O.O

oww..I got cleared ^^

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Rexxar

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:35 pm

it's rexxar, rexxar has slow from his pig, he can destroy trees with his axe, he gains attack speed with his 3rd skill, stun is from his ultimate, what missing is, he can summon a bird that can be a observer wards! LOL
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:39 pm

@Dhoyz

The was past months ago :C

Maybe you should go and scan a few more pages to see what happened ^^
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:30 pm

Okay, here we go.

I'll try to answer the question on how you answered it ^^

Explanation:

Summoned Units

Chen : Ability - 3
Hotd w/ refresher - 9
Necro - 2
Total - 14 units

Ezalor : Hotd - 4
Manta - 2
Necro - 2
Ulti - 1 (assuming that there are no corpses)
Total - 9 units

Visage : Revenants - 7
Hotd - 4
Necro - 2
Total - 13 units

Anub'seran : Watchers - 4 (assuming that she made watchers earlier)
Necro - 2 (2 necors won't work, if the second is used, the
first will disappear)
Total - 6 units

Furion : Force of Nature + Refresher - 15
Manta - 2
Hotd + Refresher - 9
Total - 26 units

Overall untis summmoned : 68 units + 5 heroes = 73 units

Solving part (yikes!)

1st skill used is Maledict

(4*20) 80 damage for the first 4 seconds

Ward is summoned

Echo slam
Initial damage - 350
Echo damage - (65*73) 4745 damage

Fissure - 275 damage

Enchant Totem - 200% increase damage on the next spell casted (since there was no continuation on whatsoever, this won't be touched. This is the 3rd skill used after the two so, no attack was increased by 200%)

Damage so far --> 5350 + 80 = 5430 damage

Maledict effect on the damage for the 1st 4 seconds - (40*53.5) 2140 damage {rounded off}

2nd 4-second curse - 80
3rd 4-second curse - 80

Total damage

5430 + 2140 + 80 + 80 = 7730 damage to each unit

Disussion about the Death ward

(assuming he has aghanims with him)
150 chaos damage
bounces twice

(Reminder: So, only 3 units will be damaged by the ward)

The ward lasts for 8 seconds and 0.3 sec./shoot

So,

There will be approximately 27 shots (rounded off)

27*150 = 4050 chaos damage to 3 units

Since maledict counts, they gather additional 1640*2 (since the ward lasts for 8 seconds) = 3280 additional damage from maledict (only for the three)

Total 4050 + 3280 + 7730 = 15060 damage

70 units get 7730 total damage
3 unitd get 15060 total damage (with the ward)

Is that correct?? I wonder. I'm going to sleep now. I'll just sneak up tomorrow if its correct ^^

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:31 pm

for clarification ES is earth shaker and WD is which doctor

@jemual nice work but you're missing some stuff

Hint 1:
for the first bonus question, I am talking about one of the heroes in the scenario (although puck and void could, pit lord wouldn't know to use the rift until es blinked in and then it is too late because he will take damage)
I will give 100 to dohyun99 because he is technically correct and I didn't explain well enough

for window of time, I mean how long all of those units including summons could be there, like can all the summons be there for 20 seconds or will some of them disappear (sry dohyun99 3 sec is still wrong)

for the 4 other items that vol'jin has, you can choose any or none to maximize damage however you want (so yes aghanims is fair game as is dagon and shiva)

yes different units will get different damages but I'm asking for which one could take the most damage(highly unlikely but theoretically possible)

you can assume there are infinite corpses everywhere covering the entire map (it makes it more fun)

@jemual your ezalor and anubseran numbers are wrong (even if you assumed no corpses[there are corpses though])

enchant totem causes es's next physical attack to do damage, it has no effect on spells, so why is it in there then?

that concludes hint 1

about the reward, I said if you worked with someone else, you would split the gold. I will be doing this on an honor system so if you say you did all the work yourself then you get all the gold

all the questions are still up for grabs, good luck

edit: also 100 gold to jemual for knowing that 2 necronomicons don't work together (although not the right reason) using one puts the other into cooldown automatically so you can only use one at a time
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:14 pm

wow folechno your giving away nearly all your gold
but i have to admit the question is hard
hey the guy who wins this,why dont you host the next question
since most likely by that time folechno has got nothing to burn
(i'm not answering this since i'm feeling lazy)
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:59 am

Phew! This is going to be hard. I'll post later. I'll first study it. I wonder what was wrong with my computations tsk tsk.

I don't know the max summons that weaver can yield and so as ezlor :C.

Need factss!!! Can I still answer?
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:00 am

Phew! This is going to be hard. I'll post later. I'll first study it. I wonder what was wrong with my computations tsk tsk.

I don't know the max summons that weaver can yield and so as ezlor :C.

Need factss!!! Can I still answer?
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:57 am

if you don't know about the heroes and their abilities, you should check them out, that might help (it does)

and you can answer as many times as you want as long as I don't think your guessing random numbers

all gold still up for grabs

wow, a 1 in 5 chance to get the first bonus question right and no one has guessed yet
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:52 am

Can I ask?

How many summons can an Ignis fatuus make?

It was not enlisted on all sources even dota portal. Can I make any number I want? Please reply.

Ignis fatuus lasts 90 seconds and it creates a summon per second. So, you said that there are lots of corpses, can I have 90 summons? xD
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:12 am

Okay, this will be my second try and I hope I get it correct this time.

Chen - 14 units
Ezalor - 17 units
Visage - 13 units
Anub'seran - 10 units
Furion - 26 units
Total - 80 units
Heroes - 5 heroes
Overall - 85 units

Chen

Hotd w/ Refresher : 9 units
Necro : 2 units
Test of faith : 3 units max

Ezalor

Hotd : 4 units
Manta : 2 units
Necro : 2 units
Ignis Fatuus : 1 unit
Ignis Fatuus summons : 8 units max (mana of IF : 400, Mana cost : 50, 400/50 = 8 units)

Visage

Revenants : 7 units
Hotd : 4 units
Necro : 2 units

Anub'seran

Watchers : 8 units max
Necro : 2 units (felchno already explained why)

Furion

Force of Nature w/ Refresher : 15 units
Manta : 2 units
Hotd w/ refresher : 9 units

Problem Solving (Yikes II)

EARTHSHAHER

Echo slam
Initial Damage : 350 damage
Echo damage : (65*85) = 5525 damage

Fissure : 275 damage

Enchant Totem : 200% increased damage for the next attack (no continuation, so we will leave this untouched)

Total damage so far --> 350 (Initial) + 5525 (Echo) + 275 (fissure) = 6150 damage

WITCH DOCTOR

Maledict

1st 4 seconds - (20*4) = 80 damage

Curse : (40*61.5) = 2460 damage

2nd 4 seconds - (20*4) = 80 damage

Curse : none

3rd 3 seconds - (20*4) = 80 damage

Curse : none

Total damage --> 6150 (from ES) + 80 (1st 4 secs.) + 2460 (During the curse) + 80 (2nd 4 secs.) + 80 (3rd 4 secs.) = 8850 damage

Death Ward

(4 other items, Aghanims, Orchid, Shiva, and Lothars)

150 chaos damage
Double bounce

0.3 sec./shot
8-second channeling spell

8/0.3 = 26.66666 or 27 shots

27 shots * 150 damage = 4050 chaos damage

Maledict effect during the ward

1st 4 sec. - (40*20.25) = 810 damage

2nd 4 sec. - (40*20.25) = 810 damage

1st 4 second damage of ward is 2025 and on the second is another 2025. It lasted for 8 seconds.

Total damage for the 3 heroes : 8850 (The previous damage) + 4050 (death ward damage) + 810 (Curse effect of maledict 1st 4 secs.) + 810 (Curse of maledict 2nd 4 secs.) = 14520 damage

So,

80 units get 8850 damage
2 heroes get 8850 damage
3 heroes get 14520 damage

Was that right now? Hope so. ^^,

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