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Amplirage


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:50 am

Butterfly is in fact quite a good item on him. The agi is not wasted as it also provides some armour. Though, I usually only manage to get a HoT, Vanguard and BoT and the game is over. Axe's games are never meant to be very long as he loses effectiveness if he didn't own early game.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:22 am

@amplirage
so you would spend 6000 for only armor and evasion?
i'd rather spend my money on tarasque
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Ghost


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:23 am

really I would spend it on evasion.

when you use beserker's call it essentially becomes a 30% HP increase.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:46 am

possible . .

but i won't really go for butterfly . . .

HoT is the way to go when it comes to Axe . .

for me . .

if you evade the attacks upon you . . then wtf with helix!?!?
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sin_slayer91


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:50 am

lagsinner wrote:
Satanic gives a whopping 25% lifesteal and 25 Str. Very similar to a HoT in my opinion and if youre going butter build attack speed wont be wasted


and hearts gives you a bonus 500 hp,while satanic give 25% lifesteal,which does not triggers with helix,if im not mistaken that is.So,practically getting a satanic is a WASTE .
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Bishounen2k8


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:52 am

agree with sin_slayer

axe does not necessarily rely on his attacks to do the damage . . .

its the helix that does it for him . .

so HoT>Satanic . . no question about it . .
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:56 am

I think more armor items such as Cuirass is much better on him. For spell reduction try HoD =D
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tstiong


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:39 am

Evasion does trigger Helix. Instead, to get either HoT or Butterfly is totally up to personal reference; but Satanic is definitely a no for Axe since Axe is not a DPS hero.
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sexyrexy02


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:50 pm

So you like the taste of Fail Sandwich?
I really cannot see why you would get a Butter instead of a Heart with the same amount of money.

Heart. STR heroes. + HP, +Dmg +Regen
Butter. AGI heroes. +Agi +Dmg +Dodge

Which does the TANK description fit under? ><

Most of you have just stated that you get Butterfly and stated on the dodge actually triggering spin. Please justify why Butterfly is viable.

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darkness79


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:38 pm

to all the axe butterfly users - hmmmm... its true that counter helix is activated only on the attack and so on just like yukino said. and it is true that 30% evasion is imbaaa. so ure telling me that for 30% evasion ure paying 6000 gold? thats like buying a battefury for te 6hp per sec regen.. its just doesnt connect

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Edwardl


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:13 pm

evasion don't work with skills.. the whorst enemy of a axe are the damage and disables skills.. so... with a heart (HOT) you could plus your survivality and be a real tank.. with butterfly a couple of combos with skills and you will going down baby.. simple as that.... Heart >butter,satanic (wtf satanic o.O?)

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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:17 pm

ok say you have 3k life, do you...
a) buy a heart for an extra 500(ish) life, some regen and some damage?
b) buy a butterfly for evasion equal to about 1000 life, some damage and some extra armor and attackspeed?
c) buy satanic so you can dps someones ass =P
d) buy mjolliner so you can have a double helix effect with static, some damage, some armor and even further improved farming abilities?

anyway i wouldn't go with c, a is viable but b looks like a better deal, i generally grab d as my first item.


@above there is always a BKB for that exact purpose.
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Tokemus


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:30 pm

It works... too expensive though...
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fr0z3n


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:46 pm

if axe's counter helix is triggered he wont receive any damage so it's really bad for him because counter helix is like an evasion already with just damage return. butterfly is just a waste

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Ghost


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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:06 am

but they stack....to an extent...

multiplication rule...
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