Counter.... a list of heroes, items, and their counters

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:46 pm

but still, how do you kill him?
he has basically 99% dodge with MASS slow
and an ulti that serves as an escape/offense skill
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:05 am

Err can u teach me how to download the list? when i go to the link, it shows me the details of the list but theres no "download" button or anything similiar...srry if this has been posted

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:28 am

Hmm I have some friends by the nickname of deadfrog..

Anyway, the download button is AT THE TOP of the page, where you need to type in a few of the characters there to ensure you're not a bot. Then click 'download'.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:56 am

@hemingxi

if he has no mana, is disabled/stunned, or is silenced, he only has his passive to rely on. Therefore negating his 99% dodge, his slow, and his escape/offense skill.


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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:42 am

o ty

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:47 am

1. abbadon wins because he can null tinys combo and kill creeps, this allows you to KILL THE TOWER
because you do NOT need to KILL HEROES to WIN THE GAME

abbadon counters any dps?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
go and counter every dps hero with abbadon, not going to happen.

is abbadon the only counter for tiny?
no any number of heroes can counter tiny, the ones i list are just ones that i know to work and that i prefer to use if i need to counter a hero.

2. bara wins because bara has abuse of greater bash, baras ultimate cancels pandas ultimate, if bara starts to smack him up before haze is casted, panda loses.

juggs wins because PANDA can NOT cast his ultimate while under omnislash, same with mirror image.
juggs has greater dps, juggs pushes tower, juggs has greater farming abilities, juggs pushes, juggs wins.

3. autocasting does not get you silence, also animation cancelling does not get you silenced.. need i go on?



large generalised groups are stupid because some heroes are better at the job than others.
and please try the things you complain about first.

the guide doesn't need to be shorter, minimise, ctrl+f, hero name, maximise, pick.
this can be done in under 20 seconds and thats all you need.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:59 am

counter to mangix? rhasta.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:31 pm

Why dont Abbadon counters DPS? Doesnt Borrowed Time with shield counters DPS? the damage received will be healed.

Regarding the pushing, doesnt that make any hero good? Especially KOTL? He has mana leak to stop his combo and much better pushing skills.

About your reason for SB countering panda, i find it weird.
In ur case, u mentioned if Bara start wacking Panda first, panda loses, but u r assuming is permabash, doesnt that make FV the best counter?

Because SB can bash, but its definitly not perma unless with insane items. Also, Haze has a much longer casting range then SB's att range

Also, panda can always split between g bashes, before you could charge to him.

Like what many people say, Panda is the counter for DPS and bashers.

Also, i dont see how Omnislash stops primal split.

ANd yes, i was wrong about enchantess, however, Silencer has sth good against enchatress. Single cast (wat u call animation canceling) does not trigger Untouchable.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:41 pm

There are ppl with my user? xD nvr tot that would happen...thnx ampli =D

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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:18 am

hahahahahahahah you know nothing about the greater bash abuse.

and primal split being stopped by omnislash is kind of weird...

while you are being omnislashed you can't cast mirror image or primal split (provided you are the current target between jumps) reason : unknown
but it works...

as for greater bash abuse...
i really shouldn't tell you...


if you attack abbadon while he is using the heal combo you are stupid, hang back briefly.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:39 am

i know roughly wat its like, but panda could just Drunken haze him and SB couldnt do anything. No need for Primal split actually.

Also, casting primal split before the omnislash can too.

However, i would like to thank you for the interesting infos.
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:03 am

lol you still don't know the greater bash abuse.
by attack animation canceling repeatedly you can actual negate the % chance of greater bash and thus permabash without actually attacking them.

see the infinite solution?

something else i discovered yesterday when i raped a pandas primal split with nevermore (maxed out item build because it was an 80 minute em game) is that if you kill all 3 pandas it counts as a self destruct for pandaman.
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:24 am

@sfsy1
I support you with all of my might!!
Oh yeah, SB that use animation cancel on a battle is stupid, he can bash but can't attack, that will tickle panda.
Don't forget bout WW on storm panda too!!
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:56 am

but as long as the earth panda lives, thats where he will respawn


tickle panda...
i spose
but you bash abuse then attack till bash is about to end.

that doesn't tickle
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:22 pm



well, lol, do u mean keep issuing attack commands on the enemy, eg, press S while auto attacking?

btw, Jug's ultimate COULD NOT stop primal split. Tested and said by many DA mods.

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