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sexyrexy02

Monster Kill Posts: 487 Joined: 28 Sep 2007 14253 gold

Please, learn to co-operate and pace the game.

Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:05 pm

Line up.

Scourge
1) Centaur (left)
2) Naga
3) Ursa
4) Witch Doctor
5) Nevermore

Sentinel
1) Chen
2) Panda Brew (very very noob)
3) Sven *Me*
4) Axe (left to even)
5) Bloodseeker (host)

- I was the only one with kills 14 - 5
- Panda farmed all game. No DEF, No Ganks. Said that we were late gamers and we should just farm.
- Chen was good

[b]Case in Point:[/b]

The point of this post is to try to discuss with the DS.com community, the concept of pacing a game. I unfortunately had the chance to take part in a game where self-righteous noobs thought they were in control of the whole situation until we got Tree/Throned. Yes, this is half a rage post and half a decent post wanting to discuss the idea of taking control.

- My idea was that they were all a massive threat, and wanted to gank all game. I went out of my way to first blood and kill Nevermore, Ursa (because I was solo bot against them). After numerous kills, I asked them to gank Naga at top.

- BS did nothing, Chen came with me and Panda told us "we're late gamers, chill and just farm".
- I did not, I had a little bit of a flame at Panda and talked about the destruction that the opposition will unleash on us if we don't try to win this mid game.

**FAST FORWARD TO 10 mins later**

2 of our Rax is gone, 3rd half way down, and I leave. I'm the only one with kills.

- Panda blames me for not team playing by farming.
- Panda blames me for "feeding".
- Panda blames me for not knowing how to play Sven.

Sven build

1) Power Treads STR
2) Vlad
3) Battlefury
4) MoM
5) Hyperstone

Panda Build

1) Travels
2) Vanguard
3) Vanguard
4) Preserverence
5) Ring of Basilus

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As you may have guessed, I always got at least 1 or 2 kills off before dying. Our entire team got hammered constantly due to their combo.

WW + WW (WD and Nevermore)

Doctor Maledict + Ult
Nevermore + Ult + 3 Nukes
Naga Net and Ult when needed
Ursa and Earthshake + Damage.

US: OUCH!
Rexy: *sigh* noobs

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[b]The concept of pacing a game.[/b]
Intellect heroes generally have the upper hand earlier on but lose potential as the game goes on. Thus, an all INT team will aim to finish or rax the game early to mid game so they maintain dominance throughout.

Strength heroes usually tank and have moderate amounts of damage.

Agility based heroes are usually late game heroes with devastating combos or damage capabilities later on. They need to be suppressed earlier on so they can't farm their ultimate builds.

So;

With AGI heroes, farm, stay alive, and try to get the game to go to Mid to Late game.

With STR heroes, farm, get survivability and damage. Later on is more favourable.

With INT heroes, attack early, be aggressive earlier on to maintain dominance.

PLEASE, REMEMBER, even though you may be late gamers, you CAN STILL attack, gank and kill enemy heroes! FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR TEAM!...

From the DS Community;

I would like a feedback on my build and consider what I have said. Am I wrong in any way?

Is my build wrong?

Is my logic wrong?

/discuss possible strategies to actually win against that lineup.