what is it with lothars

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:56 pm



er?? if escaping is so easy, why learn blink? why bother learning ww for Clinkz? Is the 20% ms nth to you?

Does ganking just means all 5 ms and coming your lane? If just 1 is missing and hes enough to kill you alone, can you TP successfully??

Also, you said if 1 guy tryies to gank you, you dont need to escape, cos u can just kill him.

May be u think everybody u played with are noob, but not for us.

Again, give me an alternative to escaping besides Lothars.

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:54 pm

Nothing is better at escape than a combination of map awareness, juking, teamwork and a TP scroll. Of course, why put yourself in a position that necessitates a quick escape in the first place? Play smart. People were just too used to an easy escape.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:31 pm


LOL

Anyway, lothars is so popular now because due to the recent changes ot the dagger, noobs cannot consistently get away because the dagger will be inactivated. However, lothars can always be used (unless it's cooling down). That is the true reason why lothars is so popular now.

For agi heroes, it's a pretty good item with nice stat boosts and smaller pieces than a bfly.

Lothars is also used for positioning initiators like Requiem of Souls where it matters where you are. However, this is really the only spell where you need to be positioned really well. For ravage and reverse polarity etc. you just need a general area and blink dagger works well enough for that.

Just to reiterate, lothars is overused by noobs who can't use dagger properly.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:45 pm

See, see, see, the biggest frog is jumping in delight. The quagmire of contradictions is in town, lol.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:57 pm



hmm, so u mean windwalk is actually a very useless skill? What so bad about an easy escape, why would u want to choose a harder 1?

Yes, i agree map awareness is crucial, but unless you are maphacking, you cannot make sure everytime you can escape with a TP. What bout getting killed in lane, where you could see your enemy but not expecting the sudden attack?

Juking is only situational and sometimes, Nukers could kill you with a combo, without the need for a chase.

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:15 pm

i think ppl said enough here, lothar IS good for some agi heroes, and due to the nerf at blink dagger, ppl get it more often.
get it on agi heroes with no escape tool, like trax or sniper, or heroes like nevermore and witch doctor, which must have this item. i'm a noob so correct me if i'm wrong, but if u read all posts u can answer ur question.

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:21 pm

this post is more of a rant than an opinion...


but the lothars edge gives good damage rate on top aswell as a good ganking/excaping skill...

and yes you could use euls or guinso, but what if there are 5 hero's after you????...


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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:45 pm

i agree its more of a rant..

im just tired of some of my teammates getting lothars for chars that dont need em..

i dont mind a traxex with lothars.. or a sniper..

but axe? gimme a break..

ice frog u suck....

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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:43 am

lol, how could u blame icefrog even if when one of your noob teamates get maim for Luna. Blame ur teammates instead.

Actually, axe will lothars isnt really bad, if your enemies are really noob.
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:38 am

yeah it could be that players in general are obsessed with getting invisible since they think theyll never die .. highly irritating when i have to spend 200 to kill someone and then i get only 200 when they die..

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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:08 am

I've gotten Lothars for most of the tanks you've all mentioned, in addition to the typical Agi heroes, and it works fine. In fact, I've convinced it works even better on Centaur because of certain tactics.
But the issue should be more centered on the Dagger, assuming there weren't other threads on that (which there are). Put simply, Blink Dagger is not an escape mechanism anymore - it only really works for initiating. The one time it doesn't work is when you need to use it to escape...

I sense opinion thread. Tempers down please.
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:40 am

Yup, opinion thread,

Some people feel a scroll of TP with map awareness and juking is enough to escape. and we shouldnt use the easiest way to escape.

and some people feel that lothars is not needed when 1 guy ganks you, simply because u can handle him himself.

and some people feel dagger is so superior, disregarding the price and the bonus speed from WW.

Tempers down already
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:48 pm

well lothars usage have been on the rise
but i guess that is due to the nerf to dagger
personally i dont mind,you buy lothars,i buy gem
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:51 pm

i still prefer blink dagger :P
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:59 pm

@sfsy1
I didn't say Wind Walk was bad, I am merely saying that when it comes to price, the said method is better. Lothar's is good, if you can farm it and if it won't delay any core items.
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