For Those of You That LOVE Getting Battlefury on Juggernaut!

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:33 am

BF increases jugger's effectiveness so much.
Id stay with it.
But get it later.

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:13 pm

Meh I'm just saying the BF rush adds almost no effectiveness to his killing potential except for the +65 damage and only works on a 1v1 and rarely a 2v1. And unless your team has some kind of mass disable, he won't be dealing much damage to the opposing team. I choose Maelstrom/Mjollner because I find the lightning to be much more successful in landing you a kill since the lightning is considered bonus damage and who doesn't like a 20% to deal 100/150 (too lazy to estimate correct spell reduction)? That's almost as good if not better than MKB. I'd say if you really want a BF, get it after you get Treads and an item such as S&Y or Vlads. Of course I'd never get S&Y because it just ruins my Mjollner build :S I think if I do decide to get that, only then would I get BF >_>
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:34 am

lol toke, u just explained why M'jo isnt that good. It takes up an orb, which can be some other useful skill ike lifesteal or frost attack or maim or even corruption. instead of just bonus damage.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:39 am

lifesteal can be deal with via vlads.

mjolliner is better on Juggs than BF, it also costs more.

anyway i general i don't even get an orb and if i do it is either Desolator or Satanic.

but hell, my build has 4 butterflys.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:59 am

@Ghost

LOL! 4 bflys ...

Anyway, i feel M'jo is not the best orb, because it has no synergy with Blade dance and vlads.

Corruption or lifesteal or maim still the best for me
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:37 am

use BF with Sven or Magnus haha for fun i use lothar's when using yurnero haha (big dmg for agi + low mana cost for windwalk dO_ob) 1st+lothar's = enemy doesn't know where to run bwahaha
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:29 pm

LOL love your pics!
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:50 pm

Ah I see your are yet another witness to my screenshots Thanks =]
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:14 pm

wow nice!!!im gonna try it soon
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:44 pm

nice screenies (again) Toke!

Without a nice positioning skill like Reverse Polarity, juggs cant really use the cleave very well. On the other hand, Mjollnir is damn expensive and that money is better spent on a butterfly.

Conclusion? Do what caspain said (im not joking )!!!
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:58 pm

lol i usually get both....
but usually a bfury first because its easy to farm for and buy in pieces,
and the regen is nice early game...
but by the time i farm up an eaglehor, i have trouble deciding whether to form it into a mjollnir or a bfly....lol.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:05 pm

gwaa!

Hmmmmmm lets re-think this.....

Battlefury-
35% splash (In example 300 damage splashed does about 105 damage will be splashed in a small area around him)
At level 4 the chance to do a critical is 36% chance to do a critical
+150% Mana Regeneration
+6 HP/Sec Regeneration
+65 Damage
cost of 4375

Maelstorm + Mjollnir
20% chance to deal 150 damage to 3 units
+6 agi
+25 dmg
cost of 3360

-Mjollnir
Gives +35 Agility, +35 damage, and a 20% chance to release a 200 damage Chain Lightning. When a hero with the Static Charge buff is attacked there is a 20% chance that a 200 damage Static Charge will strike the attacking unit. Static charge activates at most once per second (50 mana cost).


Early on a perseverance -cost 1750
+125% Mana Regeneration
+5 HP/Sec Regeneration
+10 Damage

- maelstorm
20% chance to deal 150 damage to 3 units
+6 agi
+25 dmg
cost of 3360

In the game you can obtain a maelstorm much easier than getting a battlefury; however, getting a perseverance is much quicker and the materials are at hand.

As toke so easily told us he obtained a Vladmir's Offering for the regeneration

Requires:
Mask of Death
Ring of Basilius
Ring of Regeneration
Vladmir`s Offering Scroll

Gives:
Grants a +12% Lifesteal Aura (melee), 0.8 mana regen Brilliance Aura, a +5 Devotion Aura, and +12 damage.

so a Ring of health- cost 875- 4 hp regen
Ring of Regeneration- cost 375(i wish it was 275 typo) 2 hp regen

RoB +6 damage
65% M.R. passive devotion aura

RoB+RoH vs Perseverance

875 gold vs 1750

Early one its simple enough to get a ring of health and a animal courier to gain access to RoB parts.

!!Fusion!!

875+900+625(i think i did the calculations fast)= 2400
for the vladmir change for added life steal

2400 vs 1750
Vlads gives life steal of 12%
vlads gives +12 damage
Pers. gives +10 damage
Pers. gives 125% M.R. and 5 hp regen
Vlads gives 80% M.R.

if the Naut has about 60 damage then the life steal is 7.2 hp regained

So as you see i added the vlads as ganjamus explained so in reality its not Maelstorms- 3360 vs 4375 -Battlefury its 5760 vs 4375-Battlefury

Battlefury has won the price but im not to sure its more effective than the lightning unleashed.... but as you guys already know i have not put in the E.Horn that will make this item into a Mjollnir

so !! 9060 Vlads+Mjollnir combo vs Bfury 4375

The vlads was just added because of tokes

Mjollnir- 6760 vs 4375 -Battlefury

Mjollnir helps with obtaining attack speed and offers more damage 20% to do 200 bonus damage plus the charge ability

Bfury- gives 150 M.Regen 6 hp regen +60 damage and 35% damage splash


Mjollnir is a better item for jugs and with a vlad you can obtain the regeneration you need

*WHEN YOU OBTAIN NEEDED ATTACK SPEED YOU GAIN THE EXTRA SLASHES WHILE ULTIMATE USAGE*-Orb effects do have a chance of trigger during extra slashes!

Conclusion- Mjollnir > Bfury is my opinion

*if i made any errors please flame the hell out of me....
must have good math skills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:12 pm

ach ach ach no no no you dont get bf or mjolnier you get attackspeed items since you CRITT (thats that makes him seem to have such insane dmg)more often with more attackspeed
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:14 pm

Mojjy gives attack speed from the agility!
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:14 pm

ach ach ach no no no you dont get bf or mjolnier you get attackspeed items since you CRITT (thats that makes him seem to have such insane dmg)more often with more attackspeed, and you dont farm better with bf since when you farm you farm by last hitting uniits not splashing them only good is mana reg but a simple preseverance will suffies and mkb is what i build btw stacks with critts and happens a lot more often than mjolnir...
ocf i build pt hyper bflyy sometimes hand of midas to get enought money
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