Tournament Update, please read.

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:55 am

Alright so we watched some replays of Team COL and others, and we figured out a slightly different strategy:

Jakiro support damage
Morphling Main Killer
Syllabear Main killer
Silencer Disabler
Enigma. Disabler.

Waddya think??
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:34 am

Sorry to say but that build almost useless. Against normal scourge team, may be it can win. But this time u will face a mass intelligence healer team which going to gang u with mass of magic. It means that agi hero without special ability is useless. At that build, u have only 1 stunner and no tanker. Sylla and morphy are having no special team work ability as well. Morphy' replicate also isn't worth againtst them. What u need against them is a full team work play. That's why I don't recommend them.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:53 am

Exactly, I told my team that we need to counter their healing with healing of our own and their magic with magic resistance.

My teammates thought that build because:
Jakiro is a great all rounder hero that can do damage all the time.
Silencer and enigma will keep em silenced most of the time which means they become useless.
Syllabear is just one big son of a bitch when put against INT heroes, he can slaughter them.
And morph is also great but hes the weakest in this strategy.

What I was thinking was this:
Jakiro : goes great with enigma.
Silencer
Enigma
Syllabear AND Chen : great push strategy + awesome against INT and strenth.
or Omniknight AND Morph : Repel on Morph then watch him go inside 5 people and kill em alone.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:57 pm

I don't think u can counter their healer. 4 of them have healing spell which also damage u. So I think the only thing to beat them is by killing them ASAP before they can cast any spells. || About Sylla, u will need very long hard time to make him a powerful tanker hero and it's almost impossible against that scourge team. || From 5 heroes, there are 3 heroes which able to solo (sylla, silencer, jakiro) and they cant max their potential if not. May be exception for Jakiro. || Chen's army will only become rain of gold for death pulse, blast, and carrion swarm, and exorcism. || Hand of God is an ultimate with long cd while their healing spells have relatively short cd. || Btw sorry wanna ask: 1 Where's the tournament? (I forgot) 2 When will u have a match with the last mentioned scourge team? 3 Are u sure they won't change their heroes? 4 What's ur position right now? (eg. Quarter final or semi, etc) Not intend to offend just curious.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:25 pm

Yaya, ok i get your point.

Well i think your arguement about the team is right, So ur saying omni and morph are the way to go, right? instead of sylla and chen. Mind that 3/5 of our heroes will get mechanism. maybe even 4/5.

The tournament is the largest in the middle east and takes place in Dubai the industrial capitol of the united arab emirates. I live in Abu dhabi, the political capitol which is about 150 miles away.

I do think that they will change their heroes to counter us, but the general strategy stays the same, all intellegence with mecha.

Well, the tournament rule is elimination, play 3 rounds, best 2 out of 3, loser is disqualified. Tourney mode is -lm. We have have reached the quarter finals and that team is our next advesary(atleast we think so).

Btw there are many people from the philipines, like 3 teams. two of which are noobs(we didn't play em but they say they will use balanar and blood seeker). The third team looks good, but we didn't see their play cuz they got a BYE because the other team showed up late and the moved up to quarters with us.

The winning prizes are pretty good, ranging from MP4, Motherboards, graphix cards, laptops(i think) and a collection of PC games.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:38 pm

Morphy-purish are quite great actually, but I think they will hard to score some kills early or even terribly harassed by em >.< and they seem don't support gang bang so much. Guardian wont protect u from spells and all of them are intel. What about considering tiny-rylai? They can easily score a lot of kills early and support gang bang greatly. Tiny's avalance-toss combo at lv4 can deal more than 750 AoE damage, frost bite-nova dealed more than 535 damage (without normal attack during frost bite), and freezing field lv3 can deal up to 1000-2000 AoE damage or even more! Just give another point of view. ^_^
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:11 pm

Hmm, yea we dropped Omni and made some more changes.

Earthshaker
Enigma
Syllabear(i still insist hes free kill and i want silencer, but my friends insist on him)
Jakiro
Morphling.

Today i played with my teamleader online, 3v3 ap. i went jakiro he went sylla, and a 3rd random guy went juggernaught. Me and jugger naught kept going afk(i went afk at level 2 for 15 minutes). anyways We had crystal maiden and rasta against us and a leaver. Thing is, rasta/CM combo was really good it pwned us. though I was underequipped and underleveled.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:26 am

(FFD/II/part1) Earthshaker is really great! If used correctly, he will bcome one of the victory key. || lol, the silencer replacement with sylla is really terrible. Actually from so many my choices, silincer is chosen as one of the most important hero. Though black hole silence the enemy, it has a small AoE so it's probably that 1 or more enemies don't caught. Then silencer will anticipate it with global silence. If not it will be greater as u will silent them for 9 sec. After that, silencer will silent them for 4 sec after casting spell. So much silence will cause them to completely lost their effectiveness. About Sylla, I have had nothing to say anymore..... And u still don't have tanker either. || It seem that ur team mate is only thinking about personal play instead of team play. Be careful! That's one of the most terrible weakness against that scourge team.

(FFD/II/part2) And about mekans, buying more than 2 isn't recommended. Its cd is 40 sec and its buff is 20 sec. So 2 is more than enough. (usually they who buy mekansm are silencer and jakiro) || Be careful against nether ward. || Yeah I just can hope u will win I just try to give some suggestions, however every decision is depend on u and ur team. || (sorry mod, long reply which can't be typed in 1 again.... )

EDIT:
Using the mobile version is a real pain, ain't it?
Oh well.. Fixed. ^_^
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:24 am

Hmm, you are correct, silencer has much more uses, and hes also a great killer at the same time. But my leader is stubborn, can u give me a good reason to tell it to him and convince him to go silencer??
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:49 am

A bit intermezo from me before I go back to work.

Ask him,
1. What you gonna do if your bear is "Flying"?
2. What your hero can do for our heros again those freaking scourge int?
3. What your hero can do when being ganged?

Give your leader answer if s/he uses Silencer.
1. Silencer does have bear.
2. All Silencer's skill is to help you guys.
3. Just silent them then TP.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:00 am

Well, nice arguement imma try that. Silencer > bear. imma -bleep- him up if we lose because of bear, that would work.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:52 pm

Fuk! we lost.....

Let me brief you on our last match.

We were playing against the second division of AUS(we beat the first division), those guys were elite and really famous.

First of all, the extremely fat and stupid referee decided to play -em normal mode, cuz he wants the matched to go on quickly. This sucked and ultimately made us lose.

The leader decided to adjust stuff a bit, especially removeing pugna and putting nessaj, it wasn't wise but it wasn't bad.

First round

KMA scourge(our team):
Chaos knight(me)
Lich
Viper
Abaddon
Bane elemental

AUS2 sentinel:
Syllabear
Keeper of the light
Omniknight
enigma
vengeful spirit

Ok this round we lost really fast because we didn't anticipate the push strategy. Nessaj and abbadon(up) were neutral with enigma and venge. Viper was neutral with syllabear, and lich and bane were beaten slowly by omni and Kotl.

At midgame we were suprized by a big push in mid which almost ended the match(sylla at lvl 9 had radiance, and two treads????????!!!! we had a no pooling rule. Kotl only had ring and boot throughout the game. we suspect they cheated, but until we get our replay cd we can't say anything). They pushed again and won the match quickly. Our teamleader(viper) was mediocore, but they always swapped him first. As for me, nessaj, i had a good number of kills, but sometimes i get manaleaked and I can't ulti. abaddon was useless. Lich was there only for ulti(which sucked), bane elemental didn't play as good(he was the noobiest guy but we had him in because he was out insider, and didn't play as good as usual).

Second round

KMA sentinel:
Jakiro(me)
morphling
silencer
lina inverse(!!!!!!! he chose her without permission, we wanted omni, but he did exceptionally well)
vengeful spirit(SUCKED ASS, he didn't swap anytime in all the game, noob, we kicked him out)

AUS:
Pugna
sandking(OMG, he owned)
Leshrac(that was suprizing, he really -bleep- us up)
venomancer(ouch)
lich(i think)

This time we were better prepared, We dominated almost all the lanes. But then, leshrac suprized us with using diabolic edict near towers, we didnt know it hit towers, not THAT hard. I swear, in em, he destroyes towers like 4 seconds. WOW. he pushed like hell.

I don't rmember matchups well, but we had jakiro and morph up vs sandking solo. Silencer mid vs ?, and the rest down vs ??.

When leshrac pushed all the team became disorganized because they really made us confused, Sandking was free soloing, and by level 9 he had heart. THen the game became really slow. It reached level 24-25. Really late, everyone had full items. But they were pushing much better. In the end we made a five man push up and reached the icecrown. But we discovered they had SK and leshrac bottom suprizing us. THey pushed to the tree too. Lina and jakiro(me) teleoported to the base and started defending against semi-mega creeps down and mid. and also sandking with heart and two aegis(two aegis is forbidden btw, another cheating) we couldn't kill SK but he couldn't kill us cuz he lacked damage. Leshrac was easy and he ran out of mana. SK ouldn't be stopped while he pounded on the tree, all we could do is hex/freeze/stun him. After a while, venge died and came back. Our tree hp was 500 their tree hp was 1500 and losing FAST. then venge started normal hitting, we were WTF SWAP SWAP SWAP! and he was like wat? and then we lost T_T.

If the stupid venge swapped, the time SK would have taken to come back and attack would have won us the -bleep- match! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


anyhow, when we get the replay cd we will check for cheating esp pooling.

Until next tournament next month we will try many stuff. Especially this trio:

Syllabear
Chen
Omniknight.

what do you think?
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Heaven

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:05 pm

Hey u didn't tell us how your match against GNC went.... Prolly lost XD

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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:17 am

Vary painful Heaven(HH)! However Bad things are really worth experiance.
Its commonly known that diabolict edict damaging building by the way.>.<
About Syllabear and Chen, MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PLAYER ARE PRO otherwise it will be suicide!
Hope you will luckier on the next tournament!
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:38 pm

That's just too painful, HH!

Why did the Venge player not know how to swap? Where'd you get the player anyway? Shouldn't you be playing as a full team before the tourney? Was he a replacement?

And having -em in a tournament is really lame. Next time, do not agree to an -em match. It takes away the point of last-hitting, and money budgeting.
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