Tournament Update, please read.

Tournament Update, please read.

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:40 am

Alright, first of all, sorry i've been away for a while, i've been busy with my tournament and all.

First of all, the tournament is the largest in the middle east and is sponsored by this big ass magazine which i forgot the name. There were 12 teams participating including my team(team KMA or Kiss My Ass).

The atmosphere there was like wow, most of the pro/famous teams were there, most of em we heard stories about their proness. Like for example the team leader's bro is in a university called AUS and he said 2 teams will be participating from there and one of em is like legend. And another team called the GNC team were like the legends of dota and even the AUS team told us they were scared from them. The third team, which was most mysterious, was a team of indians, no one knew anything about them except that they are pro and have come to win. Can you imagine how scary it is for a team as new as ours? its like making a new team and going against team COL(best USA), or team Venge O.o.

We organized two teams from our cyber cafe, the other team LOH, took the "best"(or should i say popular) players. But my pals and i made another team and went there. The funny thing is that they kept mocking us telling us that if we lose they will blame me(cuz i wasn't that popular and people thought i am a noob), ofc my friends knew what i can do and told them to wait and see. And in the end, in the preliminaries, we won and they lost.

Now back on topic, i want to describe the preliminary round we had, and ask for help against the GNC team.

Preliminary round 1: -lm

KMA scourge:
T. Atrach(thats me) : Queen of pain
Z. Luay : Nether drake
N. Luay : Lord of Avernus
Fahad : Lich
Saif : Bane Elemental

AUS team 2 sentinel(AUS had two divisions):
Xenon(only guy i knew personally so i remember his name : Treant protector(free kill)
Member 2 : vengeful spirit
Member 3 : Omni knight (best one)
Member 4 : Rhasta the shadow shaman
Member 5 : Centaur warchief

Queen of pain(me) and Avernus went up against vengeful spirit and centaur, Viper(team leader) soloed mid against rhasta and omni, lich and bane bottom against treant(who got badly owned).

This match didn't last that long. In the begining Viper dominated mid(suprizingly), Top was equally matched but at level 5 we started winning top because of the excellent amphotic shield on the QoP then blinking/scream of pain combo XD. frist blood was bottom by i think the lich on treant. We ended the game midgame by a midgame push at level 12. However viper went all the way to 20, yup, he OWNED the match with an MKB at lvl 11 and god knows what at 16(i think sacred relic). Oh and our lich warded the whole map, and shared control with his chicken.

Round 2:

KMA Sentinel:
T.Atrach(me): Jakiro the twinheaded dragon
Z.Luay: Omniknight
N.Luay: Morphling
Fahad: Crystal maiden
Saif: Vengeful spirit

AUS 2 Scourge:
Xenon: Lion the demon witch
member 2: Sandking
member 3: Lord of avernus
member 4: Medusa(best member)
member 5: venomancer

This one was much harded. Here is the matchup. Jakiro(me) soloed mid against Sandking and Lion(ouch @ double impale), Omniknight and morph against medusa, and CM and VS against Venom and Lord of avernus. Middle suprizingly was dominate by ME(jakiro), that was a suprize for my team and even the referee, i last hitted most creeps and denied a lot too(i had 20 denys by the end of the game). However thinks with CM and VS wasn't that good, the enemy got a cheap shot against VS. And it was neutral on morph/omni lane. By midgame it was on attrition war, but we won because of mainly 2 members, Morph, who dominated the map with an awesome combo with omniknight. Morph's main weakness when going agi is spell damage because he would have high armor but low hp. Now imagine what morph can do with repel???? yes thats right, he beat 2-3 people on his own, he dominated. And lets not forget the second man of the match, without which the team can't win, thats me, jakiro. My perfectly lined up macropyre/icepath/dualbreath combo was like godlike ^^. We finished late game after lvl 16.

Ok here is a funny part, we talked to the judge after wards and exclaimed: wow, i never expected jakiro to be this good, when you choose him first(i was the first guy to choose in -lm) i thought WTF do they wanna lose? but in the end i saw the most amazing jakiro ever. Morph repel and omni combo was great too.

Ok sorry for long post but bear with me.

Now, we need help against the GNC team, which went scourge team like this:
Necrolyte(wtf)
Death prophet(wtf)
Lich
Pugna
Bane elemental.

Most of the team had mechanisms, and Necrolyte death pulse + mekanism the guys told us it was like a full heal. So can i have a counter to that? please.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:52 am

Hey Heaven, you're still alive, after all.

Thay're all int, so maybe Drow Ranger(silence), Omniknight(Repel). Not sure about the other 3 but by the looks of it, they want the game to end early(where INT has the power).Use Bkb. They only have 1 disabler, but some will get Euls, I suppose.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:23 am

Based on there heroes theyre all soft so try using a classic combo with techie rhasta tiny vengeful Zeus,

We encountered almost the same team in a tournament, two of them got meka then another two got arcane ,

Try Killing necrolyte before finishing others since he has the heal, and when you sense one of them tries to use meka swap the user with venge then shackle ward let tiny and zeus protect vengeful after the swap, if in anycase they use meka when they're gonna die make zeus use arc lightning as often as he can, since he can diminish the hp wasted for it, or make techie plant mines where there's gonna be a team clash about two - three land mine 1-2 statis and 2 remote, statis is gonna stunn them so you can make tiny abuse the situation, three landmine's should clear enemy creeps for a clear ward trap, zeus should be able to save mana for anyone escaping, vengeful should stun for any hero trying to escape.

Another way is to make techie get suicide , toss and suicide, or toss an enemy to another enemy ward trapped, (check out the dota-allstars video)

We already succeded in this strat if in any case enemies are meka users in the previous games, if you want you could replace zeus with rooftrellen for a clean backstab and overgrowth, just make sure to not get harrased to much in early game
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:39 am

Moved to general discussions. I'll post my suggestions later when i get home.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:52 am



I suggest you guys use

Ezalor
Kardel
Magina
OmniKnight
Silencer

Why..?

Kardel Sharpeye here is the main killer he got good range and in the late game he got good damage, Pugna cant kill you with wards because kardel doesnt need skills to kill an enemy but he got a long range skill a very long range skill that pugna's ward cannot touch you.

Omniknight / Purist Thunderwrath here is the main support of your team he needs to equip a guinsoo or a euls scepter for his mana sake and for your team's sake.

Magina here is the secondary killer because he got a mana burn and mana void which really pawns int type heroes and he got also blink to escape any necessary gang bangs.

Silencer here has a big role here!
you are the main guy here dude because your team's life is in your hands.

Why?

He got nice skills perfect for anti combo unit.
First global silence where you can storm their heroes mekanism can be used but only once, Last Word an AoE if someone cast he will be silenced.

If Silencer silenced the hero its your time to kill them because if they are silenced magina can burn their mana and can kill one hero with that one kardel is the damager and anti pusher he can kill heroes just equip him all the needs.

Example for kardel's item is Sange and Yasha, Burizza and kelen's and MKB.. you can equip him a divine rapier for a GG game just make sure omniknight has a guinsoo for enemies going near!


Ezalor here is the ideal anti pusher/pusher hero and he got a good skill chakra magic and mana leak which is good for team support and team offense =)

i suggest all support heroes use guinsoo and make silencer also use guinsoo.

Mekanism is also a good item for team strategy.

Mana Leak = Ezalor must cast this to the hero who disables or who really likes to spam skills ^_^.

Well if you got something to add on my idea you can and good luck.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:41 pm

Wow level 20 viper while the others were still level 12 (sweatdrop) talk about owning.

I love the underestimated Jakiro^^

Ah mass Meka. With the right heroes and teamwork you never need to really go back to heal.

Either go mass meka yourself or go mass Necromicon < No idea if it will still work effectively since it's already nerfed^^
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:11 pm

Wow mass of healer! Necrolyte, pugna, bane, etc! Very very be carreful! They will gang u by mid game! Once they win the 'gang bang' u will absolutely lose. I once saw that team build and their purpose is to defeat u ASAP. I have 2 builds against it. 1) furion, rhasta, tiny, enigma, maiden. Gang them since early even since lv1. This tactic will use mass of summon units. Buy basilius and headress since early. U must destroy 1 of their lanes (middle usually) or destroy all of their tower lv1 & lv2 within 20 minutes. If not, u will lose! Try to kill every hero ur team meet. Destroying all tower and killing so many heroes are purposed to counter ur lack of gold and exp as u are always in 5.

(ffd/part2) However the 1st build is really riskfull ! Ur team has to be very compact! Once u fail to beat them early, u will surely be defeated. 2) Silencer , Enigma , Tiny , maiden, purish/vengeful. This build is to counter their heal. Global silence then blink, midnight pulse, black hole then blink, freezing field then toss and avalance. Purish will repel either Enigma or maiden, heal the lowest hp, and guardian when needed. The weakness: this combo has to be done before they are unsilenced, if not, ur gang bang will lose... again... (venge choice is to kill them by guerilla attack so that their hero cant grow well. ) Try to harass them since early. Be carreful being suddenly gang-ed. Put ward at every strategic place. If u wanna neutral farming, always bring portal. That\'s what I can think about countering the scourge team u mentioned.

Be careful, when gang bang, u have to silence them before being silenced by Krobelus . Their build will have an almost absolute mid game win. So u only have 2 choices. 1 defeat them early game before they ready or realize, 2 defend and counter until late game when they have lost their effectiveness. Gud luck! Any question? Reply this ASAP. I'll always check this whenever possible.Smile || If possible, try to save all the tournament replays especially yours, and send them to DS.com so that everyone can download and see that tournament and ur beautiful victory ^_^ || ps: sorry mod for having triple posting as I can't type a long message in 1 at mobile version. If u don't mind, pliz join them. Thx.

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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:20 pm

Ah, thanks everyone for speedy replies, especially FF.

So ive been talking it over with my teammates, we did some testing around and we adjust our sentinel team to this:

Omniknight: Getting support
Tiny/Morphling/sillabear: Main killers
Crystal maiden: Support damage
Jakiro/Ezalor: Support damage
Silencer: Killer/disabler

What do you think?

And as for our scourge team, we decided to remove queen of pain in favor of everyone's favorite anti intellegence hero AKA Pugna, cuz pugna's nether ward is just WOW!
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:52 pm

replace tiny with rooftrellen , so jakiro and rylai can have a clean shot
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:32 pm

Agree, donatboy. A mass disabler hero is needed to succeed rylai and or jakiro's combo. But I choose enigma in stead of rooftrelen coz: 1 blackhole silence the enemies while growth not. 2 In single lane, enigma can score a kill with his mate by using malfice and midnight pulse while rooftrelen can't. 3 enigma is range hero which means can harass early (really needed against this scourge team), though he is quite weak actually. lol. || about tiny's replacement >.< , u will really need him as a killer and tanker hero. || about jakiro/kotl, I strongly choose jakiro as kotl will only become an easy prey. || however, everything is up to you and ur team. || 1 think I forgot to tell u, try to kill bane first. If his player pro, he will enfebe ur highest damage hero, nightmare ur most dangerous hero, and use his ultimate to ur another hero. U will lose 3 heroes!
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:16 am

Or replace tiny with enigma that way Jakiro can make full use of his ulti as well.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:54 am

Figured out as much! But what about the skill build? shold we take conversion only 1 level for denying or all the way through?
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:21 am

It's true that conversion can deny ur creep to prevent the enemy from getting exp. But I my self don't usually choose that way. It will waste ur mana so much early. That's completely different with lich' dark ritual which deny as well as get mana. Instead of wasting for denying 1 creep, I choose to malfice them for almost the same mana. Being stuned, they can be attacked by u and ur team mates a few times. It will insist them to use tango or saphire or even send back them to the fountain which much worth than deny 1 or 2 creeps. As long as I know enigma doesn't have such a lot of mana early. For denying purpose, just do usual last hit. That's my opinion. Feel free to decide.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:43 pm

Yup

I'm with FF_Dragon. Though conversion is a good way to deny it's not a good idea early game due to the mana cost. I usually go Malefice and midnight pulse to annoy and deny the heroes early game.

As for when to get conversion, it depends on the game plan. If we want a rush game I get conversion when I reach level 12 if lategame level 17. But yah it's your call^^

Goodluck!!!
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