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folechno


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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:13 pm

ted wrote:
@TheGunslinger
what is MI unit?

Magic Immune

and I would think yes you could toss them, but they wouldn't receive any damage or a ministun
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AsS-Ki.cK


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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:17 pm

As said, this might have roots on some kinda old bug which havent been fixed IMO.
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grungedai


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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:53 pm

this must be fixed, cuz everyone should be tossable
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lukeiskul


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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:13 pm

you cant toss chicken cuz its an ancient.

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markthespark_47


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:31 pm

lukeiskul wrote:
you cant toss chicken cuz its an ancient.


correct
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[piG]Jenan


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:41 pm

ancient?
chicken?
how does that relate to DK?
O.o

anyway...
there must be a bug if DK got toss.
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thundercraker


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm

every unit in DOTA has ground movement (regardless of wheter it LOOKS as if its flying): except for DK's Dragon form. This is why toss doesn't work on him.
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AsianSensation


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:00 pm

brainless13 wrote:
flying? i'm 100%sure that u can toss Jakiro, viper, etc... both flying heroes... needs fix...


And have you wondered why the can't fly over trees? It's because they're "foot" or grounded units. IceFrog does this through the object editor and then switching the "Movement Type" from whatever it was before to "foot" for all heroes except for Elder Dragon Form.

As for Dragon Knight's Elder Form, rambol is right. His movement type is switched from "foot" (ground) to "hover". Hover means you can still be hit by Foot units and can't fly over terrain but I guess it means you can avoid spells that only target ground units.
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[piG]Jenan


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:09 pm

so you mean lina's stun wont affect DK on DF?
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AsianSensation


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:14 pm

It will affect him. Just because it looks like its on the ground doesn't mean that it only affects ground units. The tooltip never states that it affects only ground units.
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LightningBla_de


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:54 pm

ok, i looked it up again, heres a part of the description of toss made by tales from DA:

Quote:
Toss (A0BZ)
Based on Channel.

When the skill goes into effect, if the target is not an animal courier and the target unit is not owned by Tiny's owner, then count all non ancient, non structure, non flying, non-Tiny? (not sure of this, will check later), tiny's a non-ancient (yes, it checks for the unit that is casting a spell not to be an ancient), non Roshan, non Giant, Visible, non-dummy, non Elder Dragon Form that are in a 275 AoE from Tiny, and pick a random unit of that group. Later check that there's a unit selected, the unit is not an animal courier and it's not owned by Tiny's owner, then Set the selected unit's animation to Standing, pause the selected unit, remove its pathing/collision, and add then immediately remove the Crow Form ability from them. Now, to the game cache the following variables are saved: Tiny, TossSource (aka the flying unit), TossTargetLocation, TossSourceLocation, TossCounter (which is 1), TossDistance and TossAngle. A new trigger is created, which is a timed effect running every 0.02 seconds.


that means toss is coded to take edf not into consideration to avoid a graphic bug/glitch
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:05 pm

can you toss the manta images of dk?
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LightningBla_de


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:15 pm

lol, good question^^

so illusions are not excluded, but edf is.....

-> dont know

but it would be no prob i think, since illusions cant morph back -> no graphic bug
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:24 pm

will techies mines effect dk in df?
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:34 pm

This is becoming very complicated.
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