Pudge The Butcher! (Jedi-Master?)

Pudge The Butcher! (Jedi-Master?)

Posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:27 pm

Something I have found incredible beneficial to my Pudge games over the past few weeks has been utilizing a "Force Stick" with Pudge as well. early game it is fairly cheap to make, compensates for pudge's lack in mana for more hooking opportunities and in several cases, takes away the need for a hook.

I'll explain: If you're in a lane against a melee or short-ranged hero (I.E. Morphling) You can use the force push to bring the enemy hero to your melee range to begin a dismember and rot combo, preferably near a tower depending on how early you get this. The amount of damage done here is enough to put the enemy into a frightened state that the hook can be used for a killing blow, not an initiation.
The Force stick is also useful for making quick cuts in angles or catching up to someone for a short burst for a last effort hook.

your thoughts?
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Posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:33 pm

i'll try it out next time I use pudge =)
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Posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:00 pm

It's ok of an item, but not that great. Anyone who sees Pudge will just flee. You won't get the chance to force them to you. There are better items to get. And you can always lay a good hook if you are experienced
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Posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:33 pm

i agree with DaMan2000 like usual...

hook isnt really that hard to land
and with its low cd by the time disember is done ur hook is ready for the kill again anyways

force is decent though
but i think there are better items

but it does work and is good if ur bad with hook

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Posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:58 pm

Most people flee when a pudge isn't visible though, but when you see a pudge clearly standing behind a wave of creeps with no clear hookshot most enemies don't see a reason to be scared since he is known for unsuspecting prey with his hooks. I see it more as re-inventing the element of surprise. And yes, hook isn't hard to land if you get experienced and Pudge is the hero I play the most so I've gotten rather competent. I am merely adding another way of dismembering and killing without beginning with a hook.
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Posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:00 pm

i agree with getting force staff. It gives you more versatility and usefulness no matter the situation. Its also a lulzy escape if you cast on yourself

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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:13 am

Well obviously if pudge is missing from a lane. Every one who isn't an idiot would know that its a good time to stop farming in your lane. Force staff is not really needed. You can abuse tower spots and kill using the towers to help. Hook is meant for the surprise. Most ppl panic when they get hook. And then they start losing control. If you run in with a force staff and they run the other way you can't get them to you instead you push them further away.
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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:54 am

I think he means to force staff yourself to the enemy. Its almost like a mini blink which would be deadly with pudge.

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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:26 am

Force staff is as quoted by Blarfles(?) a "half-assed blink dagger".

Yes, it can be helpful to chase people or bring them over to you. However, it's easier to just hook them when necessary.

Also, items with more beneficial additions are out there for you, such as Hood.
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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:42 am

Hood may be more beneficial but it also follows the traditional cookie cutter build. Having a force staff adds a whole new element of surprise to your arsenal for a pretty cheap price. No one runs from a traditional pudge when he is behind a creep wave so this adds a whole new element to his game. Also, force staff can be a very viable option when you cant mass the $2,200 to finish BoT.

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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:01 am

No one has said what makes this item imba on him...

Pudge+Force+Cliff= GG

You can hook heroes to cliffs where they cannot escape unless they have a blink ability.
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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:17 am

Well pudge+hook+tower+jukespot= gg
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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:21 am

Wow, this topic actually exploded quite a bit. woohoo!

What I really am trying to get across here is the fact that if you are laning against a melee opponent that is going to hit a creep or is attacking creeps, you can always use the force staff on yourself or him to be in automatic dismember range, it's a quick start that most people wouldn't see coming.

And it is a many blink, I have used it to get over a cliff in the river so that I can cut off an opponent for a killing hook shot. It can be used in so many ways that it's an interesting idea to have.
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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:55 am

indeed, it is very intresting, ofourse as a skilled pudge player myself It's not a need but more of a want, it makes pudge more fun to play :P
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Posted on Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:15 am

yeah, I just see it making him more versatile than just a "hide in the bushes" killer...he can now gank you in your very face :-P
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