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no really, u think icefrog cares about change haters like u?
he just want to nerf the heart, which is previously buffed. it actually can be wonderful for heroes which are mobile. eg, Storm, QoP. they can easily get out of combat, regen very quickly then get back into combat with 10-20% extra hp (which is alot when u get the almost 1k hp buff from HoT)
also, items wont make too much difference to balance issues. because items are there for all heroes to buy them.
discuss sth else instead, like LOA's nerfed Death Coil range, making him more unpopular.
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Fail Lol, u need to be out of combat for 10+ s for it to start regening!
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the nerf is necessary due to trend. str carries are immensely popular currently, and 1% regen is imba as the first heart compared to the +15 old heart. the no regen when taking damage thing is a counter to heart+armlet which is quite uberhax
i think serp made a thread about it, and he was right, it has been nerfed
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that's what I don't like now...it can be easily countered by radiance...damn...so any idea of other heroes who can buy it?
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@sfsy1
1. Yes, Icefrog does care about people playing dota. An example, he asked for opinions on a new armlet build up... the SAME DAY the problem was posted by a member at playdota forums!
2. Okay, so every item is useful for everyone except orbs/buff placers. But that doesn't mean you make every item on every hero! Maybe icy did change hot heroes from tankers -> mobile heroes but the heroes you quoted need mana items first. It's not like we farm for eternity to get every good item possible. Also,
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they can easily get out of combat, regen very quickly then get back into combat with 10-20% extra hp (which is alot when u get the almost 1k hp buff from HoT)
they can easily get out of combat, regen very quickly then get back into combat with 10-20% extra hp (which is alot when u get the almost 1k hp buff from HoT)
Then again you're saying the same thing as vita.nova. REGEN STARTS AFTER 10 SECS! => again 15-20 secs away from battle == NO USE.
3. We are just discussing the changes. We don't mind if Icy doesn't read our views ever.
4. Items do make difference to balance issues. Remember old Kelen's Dagger... when damage didn't disable it...
Also, do you have any idea why icy forbids use of kelen's on Pudge/Vengeful? Point is... ITEMS DO MAKE DIFFERENCE TO BALANCE ISSUES.
5. Go ahead, discuss whatever you like, discuss about LoA's nerf if you like/dislike it. No one's stopping you!
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I miss the old Heart. Haven't played 6.63 yet, but I read the description. I get HoT on SK, Barathrum and Naix to cancel out Armlet's HP degen, so I can have it permanently on late game. Now that strategy's ruined. *sigh*
How is HoT even a tanking item now? Apart from the strength and HP, the %regen being removed means it can't be used to tank in combat.
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HoT is still best for tanks. 2% HP regen is imba especially if the hero has lots of HP. this is best for farming and pushing. towers, enemy creeps, neutral creeps and even roshan can't stop the imba regen.
killing and team clashes are the problems. but the huge HP boost will help anyway. you can still rely to hood/vanguard's HP regen too.
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this is just asking for tanks to get a dagger so they can blink into trees, heal up super fast, then blink back out (especially with new Kelens cd of 14 sec)
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DPS is alright......but what good is 2000 damage when you're being shackled inside a mass of Serpent Wards?
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you cant heal "super fast"
10 seconds is crazy long time in a team fight
and it will be over normally by the time u lose most of your hp
run into the forest for around 20 seconds and u come back
but it is very good as quale said
for farming and pushing...its gonna make that so much better
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While heart might not be the best in team fights. What it does give is incredible lane staying ability which in a big push can make all the difference. After tanking all the spells in a team fight that you won the heart carrier could easily regen and push and be ready for another team fight Also, I think heart has always been more about the 1100 HP than the regen. If a team fight lasts about 12 seconds you only get about 500 hp (with a hero of 2500 hp) back during the team fight and the extra 1100 is nuch more crucial to your ability to tank.
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Or instead make the heal value like STR(or main attribute) x ?? so that it will function better as a protectorate item and those without tanking capabilities can tank better. Maybe to make it an option on being a dpser, evasion and lifesteal will be preferred along with BKB. It's just that I don't know now what to get as a tanking item for some characters.
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@sfsy1
wtf.
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1. Yes, Icefrog does care about people playing dota. An example, he asked for opinions on a new armlet build up... the SAME DAY the problem was posted by a member at playdota forums!
1. Yes, Icefrog does care about people playing dota. An example, he asked for opinions on a new armlet build up... the SAME DAY the problem was posted by a member at playdota forums!
1. did i talk about icefrog not caring about gamers? i said he dont care about haters like "u" (the topic starter obviously)
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2. Okay, so every item is useful for everyone except orbs/buff placers. But that doesn't mean you make every item on every hero! Maybe icy did change hot heroes from tankers -> mobile heroes but the heroes you quoted need mana items first. It's not like we farm for eternity to get every good item possible. Also,
Then again you're saying the same thing as vita.nova. REGEN STARTS AFTER 10 SECS! => again 15-20 secs away from battle == NO USE.
2. Okay, so every item is useful for everyone except orbs/buff placers. But that doesn't mean you make every item on every hero! Maybe icy did change hot heroes from tankers -> mobile heroes but the heroes you quoted need mana items first. It's not like we farm for eternity to get every good item possible. Also,
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they can easily get out of combat, regen very quickly then get back into combat with 10-20% extra hp (which is alot when u get the almost 1k hp buff from HoT)
they can easily get out of combat, regen very quickly then get back into combat with 10-20% extra hp (which is alot when u get the almost 1k hp buff from HoT)
Then again you're saying the same thing as vita.nova. REGEN STARTS AFTER 10 SECS! => again 15-20 secs away from battle == NO USE.
2. why not? Lets say r the carry (dk or Sk) and u got HoT. ur team won a team battles but been the tank, u got FFed and has very little HP. But because of HoT, u can regen the HP back very quickly, and continue pushing because by the time all the enemies spawn, u will be full or near full HP.
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3. We are just discussing the changes. We don't mind if Icy doesn't read our views ever.
3. We are just discussing the changes. We don't mind if Icy doesn't read our views ever.
3. Yes and i m joining in ths discussion of yours.
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4. Items do make difference to balance issues. Remember old Kelen's Dagger... when damage didn't disable it...
Also, do you have any idea why icy forbids use of kelen's on Pudge/Vengeful? Point is... ITEMS DO MAKE DIFFERENCE TO BALANCE ISSUES.
4. Items do make difference to balance issues. Remember old Kelen's Dagger... when damage didn't disable it...
Also, do you have any idea why icy forbids use of kelen's on Pudge/Vengeful? Point is... ITEMS DO MAKE DIFFERENCE TO BALANCE ISSUES.
4. Old Kelen is a dumb example. do u see gamers complaining the IMBANESS of Dagger in games? No, because FFS u can get it urself (unless its VS or Pudge) but again, 2 slightly weaker heroes are much better than a few heroes who can be imba with a certain item.
And the reason why Kelen cant be acquired by Pudge and VS is to prevent abuse of cos. u really think its because "ICY" thinks that: "OH, VS swap + blink is too imba because she can bring some1 to her place and then go to another?" thats BS seriously.
Lets say Icefrog nerf BoT to - 100 MS and a teleport with 1000 range. Gamers will complian for sure, because the change is ridiculous, BUT, they wont complain like:
"ICEFROG, I BOUGHT BOT AND I MOVED SLOWER and BECUASE OF THIS A ____ CHASED ME AND KILLED ME?? WTF??"
u get the logic here?
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5. Go ahead, discuss whatever you like, discuss about LoA's nerf if you like/dislike it. No one's stopping you!
5. Go ahead, discuss whatever you like, discuss about LoA's nerf if you like/dislike it. No one's stopping you!
5. Basic Comprehension skills. Did i say anything close to " i want to discuss about LOA's nerf' ?
im just suggesting Sth (LOA's nerf in this case) is much more worth discussing (imo) than this HoT. Of cos no1's stopping me and breathing at the same time too!
Why is it that u seem so stupid on the internet, or are u already behaving more smartly here than in reallife?
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I don think the new hearts either.. lol-ed
... old hearts is Imba in combat... ^^
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i agree. the whole point of heart is to TANK which it can no longer do basically
and shit my warning is so uglyyyyyyy
oh myyyy goodddddd
and i got it for the dumbest of reasons too...
necroposting wtffffff
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lol sfsy, don't say i fail. because you just said practically the same
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I'm sorry dude. Didn't mean to be offensive.
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