Do you think that Vladmir`s Offering is useless?

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Vladmir`s Offering is useless!

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:00 am

This is something that have bothered me for a long time. When I'm playing public, I see Vlad in almost every game. People gets it on every melee, even though its only effective, to buy in on a few heroes. Let's see what it gives:

16% Lifesteal Aura (Melee)
15% Damage Aura
0.80 Brilliance Aura
5 Devotion Aura

Cost: 2050

It gives a small Mana regention, but a bottle would benifit a lot more on most heroes.

The Lifesteal aura is probably the reason why ppl buy it, but it's still only 1/6 of you damage you're stealing.

The Damage aura dosen't benefit heroes more than other items would.

5 Armor is okay I guess.

I watch a lot of pro replays, and I play a lot of inhouses and clanwars, and I have never seen a Vladmir's Offering. It dosen't give any stats, and that's what you really need early.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:03 am

Vladimir's is gotten ONLY when Lifesteal isn't the preferred orb, but would still be beneficial.

For example, Ursa will get Vladimir's without fail.

Another case is when Mortred would like to get another Orb (eg: Stygian). If she gets HotD/Satanic, it will override Corruption. Also, the bonus damage aura is beneficial.

However, Vladimir's can also give away someone's position due to the aura. This is *probably* its greatest shortcoming.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:06 am

Ask yourself this, "Will you buy a bottle for most melee heroes?"

Also, for a cheap price, you can get brilliance aura (for mana), life steal and damage. Those are also auras which means not only will it help you, it will also help your allies. Not only that, the lifesteal coming from Vlads is not an orb, which means you can buy another item with a status effect. Lifesteal+ preferred orb?

While it's true that not all melee heroes should get it, it's still a reliable and cheap item to get. Before I buy one (if I have heroes like PL), I try to ask other melee heroes first if they're going to get one. One Vlad is good enough for the team.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:09 am

Yeah, ofc it's a nice item on some heroes like, Brood, Ursa and Magina, but I really think it's is the most overrated items in dota.

You're right about Mort, if the hero got some heavy dps, and you got another orb, it's good aswell.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:09 am

The auras from vladimir's offering will help your team in clashes.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:09 am

vlads is so beneficial on heros with orbs to avoid the helmofdominator satanic combo plus the 16% life steal at late game is real nice plus heroes like troll with vlads and satanic a butterfly buriza phase black kingbar is unkillable and lycan needs vlads to boost his wolves and to help him farm.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:11 am

in pubs there r ppl who rush vlads as the 1st item but it shud b gotten as a mid/late game item. but it is necessary for the melee heroes as it gives them lifesteal which is necessary for survival. that too without wasting an orb effect(helm). Also the aura helps ur creeps when ur pushing lanes.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:14 am

Guys. I know it gives some bonuses to the team and yourself, but i'm not right, that it is overused? That's what i'm talking about.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:14 am

Leauges do not buy this for a reason. Vladmir's offering is useless in team clashes that involves nukes and only nukes. in pubbies team composts of atleast 2 dps, sometimes even the whole team is dps. That's why vladmir's offering is popular. personally I only get this for antimage. And sometimes ursa but like the league players suggest its a wasted item. If your against a team of nukes.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:17 am

u r correct i once saw 3 in a team with vlads it is being overused but however ur title says its useless its not
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Re: Vladmir`s Offering is useless!

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:25 am



you havent seen a broodmother or lycantrophe on a pro replay?

once there was (loda i think) who used spectre. his teammate(lich) bought his vlads for him. sometimes when i get basillus for furion, i upgrade it to vlads for better pushing. it sounds stupid but it works.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:25 am

@creator of thread.

I recognise your concern and belive the problem in pubgames when vlad is constantly showing up that people sometimes rush it to fast on heroes that shouldnt do it, there fore delaying their corebuild and gets behind.

I was playing a game , I was veng and in my team we had brood,PL and furion. Furion had already got vlads I guess he did it to support but still both brood AND PL was building it. I asked them to plz stop beacuse 3 vlads in 1 team with 4 is way bleeping over the top.

Now they didnt stop and flamed me instead (great game, not). If i get vlads i usually do it a little later in game when i have some dmg to steal life from. With exception for ursa.

rushing vlads kills u if u are agihero cause you have nothing else and you wont survive cause you dont do any dmg yet nad your corebuil is dealyed.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:26 am

HotD - lifesteal 15%, 20 damage, dominate, orb, cost 1850
Vlads - Lifesteal 16&, 15% damage aura, 0.80 Brilliance Aura, 5 Devotion Aura, cost 2050
MoM - Lifesteal 17%, active effect, orb, cost 1950

Now compare please. 15% bonus damage might not seem like a lot, but it actualy is a lot lategame. Also, vlads allows you to get other orbs, and allows heroes with orb effects to have lifesteal. Do you know how many plers cried over the fact that brood, ursa, magina or sand king could not get lifesteal? Now they can, and that made them more usefull, and offered them more power as carries. The Ring of Basilius itself can help meelee dps heroes in need of mana regen - and they won't sell it later, but will upgrade it to vlads - before vlads existed RoB was an item that was sold in mid game, and mostly gotten on int heroes. Vlads made it better.

How can you say its useless? I agree it should not be rushed, and that 1 is enough for the team, but its definetly not useless.

@icee4three - getting vlads for Furion doesn't seem stupid. Its actualy guite good. Helps in pushing and jungling(if you choose to jungle)
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:28 am

When i play ih, i get it on support heros, because thats what it meant for.. it gives lots of freindly auras for a relitevly low price, but mind you it should not be gotten early game.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:16 am



totally agree.
couldnt of said it better myself.
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