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Ghost

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it isn't considered a chase if they can't move.
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D4ark

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oooo Rieva win
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reiva00

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Ghost wrote:
it isn't considered a chase if they can't move.

Oh but they can, just ever so slowly Cool
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D4ark

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I support The Radiance Idea then (difussal) then Butterfly
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D4ark wrote:
I support The Radiance Idea then (difussal) then Butterfly

Of cors u do! Coz i am the man! Cool
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L.u.c.i.f.e.r.

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i like diffusal more

the radiance rush build is risky and easy to shut down. it leaves you with a radiance and no stats by about level 11. with diffusal, you get stats, aspd, and similar if not greater dps.

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reiva00

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L.u.c.i.f.e.r. wrote:
i like diffusal more

the radiance rush build is risky and easy to shut down. it leaves you with a radiance and no stats by about level 11. with diffusal, you get stats, aspd, and similar if not greater dps.

When in free farm due to great support and easy kills, Rad > Diff early.

But of cors, it is always dependent (as goes for everything in DotA). If your having trouble getting Rad, then go for Diffusal. Nothing wrong with that.

But the topic is about big items. And rush Rad > rush Bfly > rush HoT imo.
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Counter_Force[X]

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rad gives you resilience against normal methods of counters as well. also reiva, nobody implied on HoT/BFly rush, it's just a comparison of which one to buy first of the 2

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Ghost

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i still say rush a hood.
level 12 and you should easily have your hood and a fair hunk of gold.
your ulti is useless until you have a maxed out image generator anyway.

use the gold on either diffusal or radiance.
I say diffusal because it is a sexy item and it remains a great item throughout the game.
when you have both of those items, a ToE followed by a heart.


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Hood rush gives you 0 added DPS which in turn, means poor damage output and ganking. Diffuse benefits your illusions with more DPS which is actually useful. Your illusions die after 2 attacks at early levels anyways, so a tiny bit of magic resistence isnt going to make a big difference. If you can rush anything, you should rush a damage item, not a tanking item. Hood should be gotten after level 15 when your illusions can deal a decent amount of damage and when you need them to survive AOE spells. A radiance rush makes you too paper, and I dont see why you wouldnt just go straight to a Butterfly after you've gotten a ToE.
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Ghost

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there is no point in getting hood after level 15.

your ultimate provides you with spell resistance anyway, the whole point of rushing it is to stack resistance.

Hood will then make you a viable junganker and in this phase of the game, most of your damage is coming from your spear.
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Resistence stacking is over-rated. Feedback gives your illusions plenty of DPS, and as a ganker, DPS is more important than magic resistence. Also, PL has paper health and I find that even creeps can deal a significant amount of damage to you during mid game. Twin bracers would be better in terms for survivability than Hood. Besides, how many AOE spells are people willing to spam on illusions? And if they target their nukes on you, you can always do the old Lance+WW combo and wait for your Lances to cooldown
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Ghost

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resistance stacking is not overrated especially on PL.
in fact I would say he is the only hero worth doing it with.

WW+Lance is boring and is only really good for harassing.. really.
unless you are ganking.
in which case, they will die.
but when you are ganking it is easier to just jump in and rape everything.
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Counter_Force[X] wrote:
rad gives you resilience against normal methods of counters as well. also reiva, nobody implied on HoT/BFly rush, it's just a comparison of which one to buy first of the 2

Yup i understand that. But ppl won't listen to our Rad suggestion.
And most of the posts actually imply HoT/Bfly as first big core item. Rad should take that spot.
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and that is after the basic funzie items.
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