My Kardel keeps getting spanked; am I missing something?

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:02 am

Power Treads
Monkey King Bar
Eye of Skadi
Lothar's Edge

When using Kardel, just shoot behind everybody. Stay in the sidelines. With his incredible range, you can shoot them from a cliff. You can get Mana Regen items, because you SHOULD be spamming Assasinate on the enemy. Utilize your Lothars Edge well.
_________________

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:17 am

Remember to stay back, behind your team and keep shooting at the enemies. If your allies are strong ones like Rylai and Sandking, your enemies should concentrate on them. If you didn't get Stygian Desolator or Skadi yet, your enemies might not even notice your nearly invisible projectiles.
_________________

(USER WAS NOT WARNED FOR THIS POST)
Add my YM/Friendster: ramb0l@yahoo.com
Add my Garena: rambol
I hate wrong grammar, it reminds me of the b*tch of a teacher I had. So if you don't want to remind me of that b*tch of a teacher, take grammar lessons.

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:25 am

IMHO. It's not good to begin playing DotA with kardel, since he is relatively weak. He needs special sense of danger to be played well enough. I suggest u to begin with lich or rikimaru etc that's quite hard to be killed or relative easy to play. Enjoy.
_________________
Find out, how DotA actually work here:
www.dotationary.wow3.info

click the image to get your own FREE Gif sigs

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:11 am

Did you know...
Kardel's attack has a projectile speed of 3000! That means that, with quick clicking, you can last-hit a creep the instant it reaches low life - hopefully before your opponent.
Also, against proper enemies, don't neglect damaging items - your safe but if you don't help, what's the point?
_________________
PIKAPI.

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:18 pm

kardel, hmm, his strength relies on his range, and first thing to do is ABUSE his range, go for take aim and headshot, go with the same lane as his', harass and cheapshot him as much as possible, don't let your opponent level up, I recommend 3 builds for kardel:

1.Ultra-Dps (kills your enemy without even being touched, doesn't rely much on assasinate)

2. Int Type (farming with scatter shot, then raining down assasinate in far places then using guinsoo to escape)

3. Speed-stunner (with mkb, 2x basher and hyperstone this build enables kardel to stun fast)

most of the time I use the ultra-dps (mkb, buriza, deso, butterfly, Bot, lothar's), since it's easy to use and deal high damage per second (not to mention he has the highest range) giving you high chance of killing the enemy.
_________________

I ask of you, are you my Master?

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:37 pm

I dunno if this works for everybody (I'm a newb too), but I like using this:

1) Take Aim/Headshot (alternating)
2) Assassinate (whenever you can)
3) For this build avoid scatter shot and just pump your stats

For Items (In order):

1) Boots of Speed
2) Perseverance (if you feel it's needed...most unnecessary)
3) Sange and Yasha
4) Cranium Basher
5) Cranium Basher
6) Assault Cuirass

I find that this allows him to literally one-on-one anybody save tanks like Pudge...you will attack really fast, and have a 60% chance of stunning. Basically, whoever you are taking will not be able to attack...make sure they have no buddies waiting around though...because when it comes to 2 vs. 1, you will get OWNED!!!

Hope that helped

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:04 pm

Hmm.You should practise more...Try this item build:
1.BoT
2.deso
3.MKB
4.EoS
5.Butterfly
6.Linken's

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:37 pm

Hey guys,

Thanks a lot for all the replies! To be honest, considering the average player on b.net, I wasn't expecting this many kind replies.

I've been practicing more, and with some different heroes as well. It's still hard, but it's going a bit better I'll be checking out your suggestions and item builds.

Thanks again, see you ingame maybe:)

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:13 pm

@Unholy

Your build has Skadi and Satanic. they are both orbies. um...yea. lol.

And ya I agree with you Blink Is a good wep for choice other than lothar's but lothar's also doubles up as an AGI wep and damage wep. It gives more damage too because the AGI bonus is also converted to damage in this case of Kardels.

Back to top

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:59 pm



IRT (in regard to) ITEMS:

Agreed with skip scattershot, get stats ASAP after maxing the other skills. The rest I will diverge.

Items are yes very important, so since you are skipping scattershot, you need a mega-farming item to get said items. God hammer comes to mind (mjollnir or something like that).

Once you get this (after a bracer or two), you will have HUGE DPS, and will contribute quite a bit to your team's ability to kill. Unfortunately, this is an orb too. I know ranged Skadi isn't an orb, but I don't know if it and god hammer lightning cancel out. If they don't, it is by far the best build I can think of for Kardel.

Afterward, get butterfly and burize, and as many MKBs as you have slots left. Your HP is taken care of by Skadi.

IRT Skill:

Be very conservative. Don't fully engage unless you know your enemy will run first. You may laugh at a Bracer's cost, but it is invaluable early game. It will give you 20-40% more HP than without. This will go very far in surviving early clashes. Use your range to harrass, and always remember to finish with Assassinate. Once they run from your range, and their HP is low enough, you now have what makes Kardel a great hero-killer in his ulti.

Good luck!


_________________
ueni uidi uicci

Back to top

Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:35 am

@transfat
ranged EoS isnt an orb effect.
_________________

Sig Rule-3 lines of text max, 475x175 size

Back to top

Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:58 am

when im using kardel..my build goes to this..
P.Treads
Butterfly
Maelstorm
HoT
EoS
Linken
_________________

Back to top

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:02 pm

Well I agree with everyone's skill builds and item builds. Here's mine.

Take headshot (1,3,5,7)
Stats (2,4) - not much but helps
Assassinate at level 6.

You decide now whether take aim (for safety) or scatter shot (for farming)
I suggest getting SKADI ASAP! by level 10 or 11 (HP bonus + Frost Attack = extra DPS and staying in your lane longer)

Don't forget to SPAM your Ulti especially at level 16). Most players only reserved assassinate for last shot (sure kill as what they thought). Which is practical.

But what some people do is that they shoot it early at enemy hero (either he will stay in his lane or back off when hit) then continue shooting or harassing him and if he backs off then push if not harass still.

Kardel is a very good harasser early game considering you took headshot first which is a pain in the ass even without DPS items. Got some more to say bout Kardel but this is what i need to say. Thanks.
_________________
Frrreeeeddddoooommmm ! ! !

Back to top

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:16 pm

It sounds like you just need to pick your fights better. kill squishies first, intel agi types, to get a level lead as well as gold and then get better items than everyone and pwn.

knowing when to run is a dota players greatest skill.


...not really but it is important.

Back to top

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:25 pm

kardel is a good hero for begineers. if i were you, your skill build must be;
scatter shot (1,3,5,7)
take aim (2,4,8,9)
assasinate (6,11,16)
stats all
headshot (21,22,23,24)
your are more likely a farmer and a pusher.
By this point at level 14 you can have a divine rapier and BoT, actually in 5v5 and depends if you laned with a friend whether you like it or not lvl 14 you must have divine. Now you are a dangerous hero killer and in danger also. But this point only ganks can stop you. so stay away and you are an assasin take them from behind. Eliminate them. kardel is a very easy hero to play,you dont need those headshot probably you need stats to the utmost. create some 2 bracers and theyare good to go. your items made in order must be.
1.BoT
2.divine
3.bracer(change this to butterfly/cuirass)
4.bracer(change this to buriza)
5.skadi(effective disable)
6.lothar
_________________
In the midst of confused values dare to be different!

Back to top

Reply to topic
Page 2 of 3    Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



View previous topic   View next topic
All times are GMT

Display posts from previous:  All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First 

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum

Jump to:  Select a forum General----------------AnnouncementsWelcome BoothBugs & SuggestionsRules and Regulations Dota Allstars----------------Latest ReleasesQuestions and AnswersHeroesItemsGeneral DiscussionsDream HeroesDream ItemsDotA ReplaysPremium DotA ReplaysThe Library Chit Chat----------------EtceteraJoke TimeGraphics CenterOther GamesFan FictionThe Armory Playing Online----------------Organized GamesHamachi Servers Archives----------------Dota Allstars ArchivesChitChat ArchivesDS Surveys

DotaStrategy.com Forum Index    .    Questions and Answers