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Which is Better, Two Bashers or Radiance?
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Two Bashers 51% [ 29 ]
Radiance 48% [ 27 ]
in solo games i would definitely go for bashers, but in team pushing games i'd probably go for the radiance ... =P
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This is sorta turnin into the conversation whereas respect was arguing against bashers and you countered and it went a LOONNNGGG way lol!
And i agree with you Bashers are IMO better than radiance.
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I CANNOT agree that radiance is a superior DPS item to 2 bashers. I also cannot agree that radiance is better in a team capacity. I also cannot agree that one or two bashers are completely useless.
I CANNOT agree that radiance is a superior DPS item to 2 bashers. I also cannot agree that radiance is better in a team capacity. I also cannot agree that one or two bashers are completely useless.
Radiance allows you to deal damage even when disabled 2 bashers wont do anything unless you walk right next to the enemy.
2 Bashers will consume 2 inventory slots which will reduce your opportunity to get better DPS items.
In a team 1 hero at most should go for radiance as a damage item but the bash isn't as helpful as you think it is for the team.
Most competent teams have a couple of disables already therefore bash is a waste of time. Your team is already there to hold down the enemy so the money you spent on bashers should be wisely spent on items that are solely for dealing damage such as Deso, Buriza, MkB, and Radiance.
Since your team can do the disabling for you, you'll problably want to get a buriza or MkB and kill the enemy in 5 seconds instead of 10 seconds of bash.
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plus, some heroes require you to do fast killing instead of bashing. if you spend 6k on twin bashers, you'll die easily against bradwarden, and get stunned more often by tiny. if you spend it on something like, of course radiance, you can avoid return and craggy exterior more.
more reasons why radiance is good :
you deal 35 DPS to a hero even when you aren't attacking. you can be cycloned, hexed, whatever, and still deal that 35 DPS.
In team battles, 35 DPS * 5 heroes = 175 DPS. This is when you aren't even attacking. As for bashers, you MUST be attacking to deal DPS. When disables, slows, etc. are flying around, chances are, you won't be attacking much, which is why bashes are wasted while the immolation does so much more. Also if you hit, you effectively do 100+ damage (both physical attack and magical) CONSISTENTLY. bashers, you need to KEEP attacking in order to keep up the DPS.
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these choices are hard to pick, lol, radiance will definitely prove to be great in AOE, but wrong timing can sometimes screw up a supposed to be "Backstabbing" since radiance immolation is passive, and as for bashers, bashers, I recommend is better for 1 vs. 1 if you will compare it with radiance, but, let's think you're a tanker, your enemy is rushing with creepwave, then your damage will affect all of them, increasing your overrall damage output, also they can't see where you are (if you're hiding and just letting radiance to damage the creepwave), while bash you need to start attacking your opponent to start out bashing, well, in team plays basher-type heroes, disablers and comboers are the first ones n the list, so I'd go for radiance
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fwii~ wrote:
1) Radiance allows you to deal damage even when disabled 2 bashers wont do anything unless you walk right next to the enemy.
2) 2 Bashers will consume 2 inventory slots which will reduce your opportunity to get better DPS items.
3) In a team 1 hero at most should go for radiance as a damage item but the bash isn't as helpful as you think it is for the team.
4) Most competent teams have a couple of disables already therefore bash is a waste of time. Your team is already there to hold down the enemy so the money you spent on bashers should be wisely spent on items that are solely for dealing damage such as Deso, Buriza, MkB, and Radiance.
5) Since your team can do the disabling for you, you'll problably want to get a buriza or MkB and kill the enemy in 5 seconds instead of 10 seconds of bash.
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I CANNOT agree that radiance is a superior DPS item to 2 bashers. I also cannot agree that radiance is better in a team capacity. I also cannot agree that one or two bashers are completely useless.
I CANNOT agree that radiance is a superior DPS item to 2 bashers. I also cannot agree that radiance is better in a team capacity. I also cannot agree that one or two bashers are completely useless.
1) Radiance allows you to deal damage even when disabled 2 bashers wont do anything unless you walk right next to the enemy.
2) 2 Bashers will consume 2 inventory slots which will reduce your opportunity to get better DPS items.
3) In a team 1 hero at most should go for radiance as a damage item but the bash isn't as helpful as you think it is for the team.
4) Most competent teams have a couple of disables already therefore bash is a waste of time. Your team is already there to hold down the enemy so the money you spent on bashers should be wisely spent on items that are solely for dealing damage such as Deso, Buriza, MkB, and Radiance.
5) Since your team can do the disabling for you, you'll problably want to get a buriza or MkB and kill the enemy in 5 seconds instead of 10 seconds of bash.
I've taken the liberty of numbering your points so it's easier to discuss.
1) This point has been beaten to death in prior posts.
2) This one also. 2 slots irrelevent in most games when you do not have more than 2 high-level times.
3) Agreed with Radiance, will talk about bash.
4) Team members die. Sometimes, your disabler is simply not around. Bash can be very useful in times like this. Agreed that a team with a very healthy amount of innate stun/slow is the way to go, and bash is not meant to replace, say, storm bolt. But, if SOMETHING GOES WRONG (like, team members dying) you can rest assured that your normal attack is yet another disable. At least one bash will go far in this regard.
5) Agreed bash vs buriza/mkb is a much tougher choice, but that is not the focus of this discussion. It is bash vs Radiance, and radiance compared to buriza/mkb is as effective as two bashers for DPS. Pls take 1) into consideration before the inevitable flaming about AOE begins.
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@unholy
Radiance does not deal 420 damage to each enemy if there are 12 of them.
If just deals 35 TO EACH enemy.
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u wanna know who besides tanks use it? how about anubseran? even permabashers are better with radiance... darkterror and jahkral both benefit more from it. u can bash more with faster attack. and kill them faster.
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Bashers for units with HIGH atk speed heros.
Radiance is for fast moving heros, creeping, harassing.
2 bashers add 30 damage 30% of the time. Radiance add 60 damage and a AoE damage.
Radiance also deal damage against heros that are enough for you not to atk it but close enough for radiance. IF a hero is chasing you radiance sometimes make them retreat.
I say radiance is better for chaser heros and bashers for fast atk heros.
The items are only good if they fall to the heros advantage.
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he didnt mean for every creep it does 420 damage. He meant that every creep it deals 35 damage and if there are 12 creeps it would deal 420
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Radiance is a perfect item for windwalkers...You stay near your enemies and immolation damages them...Bashers not on each hero!
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I don't think that bashers and radiance should be compared. They are different items with different purposes.
Bashers-solo encounters where you can't depend on your team but don't have to worry about the enemy team. Should be given to high ASPD mostly agi heroes.
Radiance-For large battles where they won't focus on you but your casters and nukers. Should be given to tanks which will be in the middle of the battlefield.
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@rambol Exactly...Not sure bout that they have to take the middle path...
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youdienow123 wrote:
Bashers for units with HIGH atk speed heros.
Radiance is for fast moving heros, creeping, harassing.
2 bashers add 30 damage 30% of the time. Radiance add 60 damage and a AoE damage.
Radiance also deal damage against heros that are enough for you not to atk it but close enough for radiance. IF a hero is chasing you radiance sometimes make them retreat.
I say radiance is better for chaser heros and bashers for fast atk heros.
The items are only good if they fall to the heros advantage.
seductas
he didnt mean for every creep it does 420 damage. He meant that every creep it deals 35 damage and if there are 12 creeps it would deal 420
Bashers for units with HIGH atk speed heros.
Radiance is for fast moving heros, creeping, harassing.
2 bashers add 30 damage 30% of the time. Radiance add 60 damage and a AoE damage.
Radiance also deal damage against heros that are enough for you not to atk it but close enough for radiance. IF a hero is chasing you radiance sometimes make them retreat.
I say radiance is better for chaser heros and bashers for fast atk heros.
The items are only good if they fall to the heros advantage.
seductas
he didnt mean for every creep it does 420 damage. He meant that every creep it deals 35 damage and if there are 12 creeps it would deal 420
Correction, 2 bashers do 60 damage, with a 27.5% chance of doing an extra 25 damage with 1 second stun. 2 bashers do the SAME damage as Radiance, which is why I am comparing the items. A lot of people who think bash has puny DPS compare it to Radiance, not realizing that Radiance also has the same puny DPS. Then you compare it to MKB or Burize, and realize that Radiance is not a DPS item, but just another farming item like Battlefury, which is why I don't like it. Please read endless posts about chasers and tanks before making more endless posts about chasers and tanks.
Creeps dying in a large battle don't matter much, unless it is instantaneous. It will take 15-20 seconds for Radiance to kill creeps, let alone enemy heroes. Just get MKB or Burize and kill heroes w/o worrying about creeps, IMHO.
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2 bashers and radiance CAN't be compared IMHO. They have VERY different usage. Killing purpose: basher. Farming and pushing purpose: radiance. Eg. Akasha, Necrolyte, Razor, etc will be able to kill all the creeps in a wave within 5 secs with radiance not for basher. But dark terror, slardar,etc will be able to kill a hero within 5 secs with twin bashers. So they are completely depend on ur purpose...
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yeah radiance and basher are good. They have different purpose IMHO. Mostly people here are very correct.
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