Guinsoo becomes weaker

Guinsoo becomes weaker

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:05 pm

i notice this when i played 6.50, guinsoo now requires ultimate orb. when used by int heroes, it only adds 35 damage
while agi and str heroes 10 damgage only.. i mean guinsoo has been commonly used and is very powerful, but why icefrog change it? IT SUCKs!
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:10 pm

He wants the Cyclone Stick stand-alone and limitless so it'll be useful throughout the game. IMO Guinsoo is still useful.

One more thing, I think IceFrog hates Voodoo being abused.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:12 pm

Yes, I agree, it's become more expensive and less battle-useful. All you get is 35 damage, but you get 10 agi and 10 strength but Guinsoo is meant to be a battle item. We have something with similar effect, only it's not in stats. We call it Aghanim's Scepter. It's too bad that they had to change guinsoo...
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:29 pm

With the new version, eul and guinsoo will be spammable. So its better to nerf it.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:42 pm

Let's try compare, shall we?

Old Guinsoo:
5175 Gold
+25 Int
+35 damage
+150% mp regen

New Guinsoo:
5875 Gold
+35 Intelligence
+10 Stength
+10 Agility
+200% mana regen

Not only is the new guinsoo more exensive, the items are hard to save up for. What I like about the old guinsoo was that the items needed are cheap, and you can get them piece by piece. It no longer gives +35 atack, but now has 50% more mana regen, +10 more int and +10 str and agi.

I personally like the old guinsoo better(especially for battle mages), but the new one is ok too. It's a tadd too expensive now, though. I bet it's because it's being abused too much.

It's still worth having, especially if you're a one-man-disabler like Lion or Atropos with BOTH Guinsoo and Eul's AND Orchid. You can disable a whole opposing team! Or a very unlucky enemy, imagine chaining all those disables to just one guy? LOL!
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:01 pm

He's just trying to encourage people to buy the orchid.

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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:04 am

He's encouraging people to use Rhasta and Lion more often (both heroes have voodoo as a skill).
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:53 am

IMO, the new guinsoo , is just some 2-% not much easier/better than the old one. but the sucky part is, you cant form it with euls anymore, so this really ruins my DK and tiny build
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:58 am

IMO icefrog was trying to make guinsoo a more 'all rounded' item by including in the STR and AGI bonus, because there are some non-int heroes that use guinsoo as well
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:07 am

guinos is all around better but it prolly ticks some ppl who liked it for its battlemage purposes in previous games. i for 1 had nortom as my favorite character and now orhcid AND guisnos got changed in a bad way. i guess its just personal prefrence
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:12 am

o hey i had a question, whats the gold mean underneath the name of the person posting it,any signifigance?
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:24 am

I think icefrog wants the heroes that have the skill to exclusively have it. like rhasta and lion for voodoo and magina,QoP etc for the blink.

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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:31 am

i dont like seeing the idea of unlimited euls in dota =/ , causes me to shout voilently at my moniter after the continious disable throughout the game.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:49 am

how long is the effect of hex by guinsoo?

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:05 am

I think most of you are forgeting that as of a few versions ago Guinsoo and Eul's share a cool down. This remains even though there are no longer charges on euls. Meaning you can't permidisable the way some of you were saying.

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