Nevermore., Raze abuse

Nevermore., Raze abuse

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:47 am

yeah i know the most popular dark creature in dota., why? insane farming abilities.. situation: if you are domiannt in a lane like melee heroe you can harass them like no other.. :if you are the one harassed but seldom happens., nevermore can just simple get his infamous bottle of mineral water and raze em creeps and bum instant push and money all the time., can't you see the problem with him., early lane strategy is lost merely because he can just obliterate in a mere 2sec any creep wave.. and remember the insane added dmge he gets.. i mean denying would be no problem.. i think his 2 skills are imba.. his raze should be changed to 320 dmge dealt in a much more larger area with different regions available but the cooldown with all three regions goes down if own region is used.. and retain his damge.. he should at least have some share in the dufficulty in farming like most heroes.. shadowraze just plane abusive.. mind you don't reason out his hp because with too much farming power buterfly manta is just like breeze.. should change the raze perse..
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:26 am

Why change?
I find Nevermore as a complicated hero, well he's skills are not hard to understand. But it will take u a while to master it.

A good char with harassing skills can beat him any lane, mirana etc.
I owned him with my voljin. Although i admit, i wont win to a nevermore that easily.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:45 am

nevermore skills are not imba. his shadowraze need proper placing and is hard to master plus he has little mana to spam this early game. his skill that adds damage requires you to kill 30 creeps for 60 damage( not so hard with raze) but the damage is halved if he dies and needs to kill again, besides withouth raze its hard to get kills earlygame becos of his very very low base damage (and annoying attack animation zzz...). he is extreamly fragile early-mid game and will probably feed nukers and stunners like lina and lion. his ulti is hard to palce(with casting time) for the full effect. it takes a pro to play nevermore properly, so i think he is skills are not imbalanced.

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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:48 am

what you discribe is probably a mid game properly played nevermore (which is rare in public games). at the start of the game, nevermore is probably one of the few weakest heroes i know. anyway have you tried playing nevermore? its hard to master.

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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:02 am

So you're annoyed because Shadowraze can be used to farm and harass from a distance. Seems kinda fair, but seeing that you seem to be so passionate about this subject, would it be safe to say that you want ALL heroes to have equal farming, ganking, pushing, harassing ability? I'd guess you'd say no, coz that would just be boring.

Certain heroes are more suited to each of those areas of the game - some to more than one. While I agree that Shadowraze can be used to help with farming and harassing, I don't agree with how you imply that it's so easily spammable. Even with a bottle and rune hunting you won't be able to spam Shadowraze to the point where your opponent is overwhelmed with pushing creeps - you just don't have the MP for it. Even if somebody did do that, it takes skill to aim Shadowraze (as mentioned above) and if you have that skill then you'll know better than to spam it for a push - Shadowraze it much more useful as a killing tool.

Also, Nevermore is a VERY soft target. Get a teammate to gank with you and you'll either kill him or send him home - and then guess what, you're the one farming and pushing.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:03 am

somebody remembers his old ultimte, the huge aura of immolation? that´s pretty good jajajaja!
Hit with his skills requires a little practice, I like it since he appeared; but some can makes you turn in the last moment...miss raze xD
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:10 am

Still Nevermore got no real slow or stun (except ulti) its kinda fair he got a nuke. His bonus damage can be countered by killing him or not letting him farm. So not imba at all.

Dito to Wii<R>venom. Hes also a paper hero, extremely fragile.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:52 am

navermore ia very fragile and his skills needs accuracy plus he has no means of slowing his enemies..not imba
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:03 am

It's quite interesting you also posted the Witch Doctor Dagon ban thread.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:29 am

O.o
not true...
raze is hard too use.
cause it might face in other direction and mana wasted.
^_^
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:29 am

Hmmm... interesting. Me thinks he just has issues with everything he doesn't know how to go up against lol.

Not saying that everybody should know everything, but don't go whining about it, saying it's imba, and calling for changes or nerfs. Simply state your case, say you're having some difficulty and that you'd like to know what you can do to prevent/counter/nullify it.

Think about it; when every response goes against what you're saying then the problem can't be with the hero.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:40 am

hmmm...
then mirana is imba for you right?
O.o
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:49 am

sf is probably the favourite target for ganks.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:26 pm

raze is very hard to master.
also, he is very fragile until lategame.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:31 pm

why don`t you try playing them instead of judging them?
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