This rookie needs your pro help!

This rookie needs your pro help!

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:32 pm

Me and my friends arew going to have a dota match on Aprilk fools day. Its a losers pay match. Its 3 on 4. Dont be fooled I have a complete noob using Axe and 2 OK ppl who want to use Demon Witch and Razor. I haven't decided a hero yet and thats were I need your help the opponent team is as follows

1.Anti-mage:played by an OK but kinda noob kid
2.Raigor Stormhoof or Bloodseeker: used by another 1/2 rookie

and here's the problem....

3.Leshrac:played by an experienced guy who is kinda better than me but doesn't know some advance stuff such as orb walking etc. How to counter Nova? and he can spam his attacks!

Now this guy may also take Abandon but thats unlikely...how can I get the upper hand and win. Also can someone explain the mechanism behind the extra creeps? Im having a hard time 5 on 1 ing in 6.49 AI.

THIS IS A LOSERS PAY MATCH I CANT AFFORD TO LOSE.........

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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:50 pm

Nerubian Assasin is your best bet here. He counters Raigor and Leshrac. Maybe get a Hood of Defiance if their skills are starting to hurt.

I would recommend that you gank as much as possible. Try to get razor to play venge so that Gangbang would kill them.
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:00 pm

Try syllabear..

leshrac can be mauled by the bear(he has terrible hp) while you stay at a safe distance. As for the other heroes, they are melee and thus are very open to bear-harrasing. And also if i'm not mistaken(really not sure) entangle blocks blink, I heard it somewhere before...I can't remember.

You just need to get your micro-managing right..go with ranged deso sylla and radiance bear build.
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:47 pm

awh...
so this is theirs
1.anti mage
2.raigor / bloodseeker
3.leshrac / Abadon


and you got
1.Axe
2.Razor
3.Witch Doctor
4.unkown?

hmmm...
so in that case you'll be playing -ap mode ryt?

so this i request you to do...
ask your team mates to change their heroes...
this would be better
1.enchantress
2.luna
3.silencer
4.magnataur...

they are user firendly heroes...
just harass them till they quit...^^
ahahaha...^^
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:57 pm

you have an advantage in numbers so gank liberally and if you stay together and farm as well as them you SHOULD! have an advantage. Axe is the wildcard here if he is as inexperienced as you say he is then they will try to feed on him; DO NOT! allow them to make axe food since they will get better items and turn him into a disadvantage for you. the hero you should use is Omniknight, since he has a 25 second spell immunity which will cause leschrac to be not a factor. and since your support you can save axe and teammates with heal/nuke thing, and guardian angel. the main objective is to have axe be with you on lane so he doesn't do anything stupid. and take out leschrac, if you can do that you can win. (have axe follow the greedynoob guide for axe by fwii 3 stout shields etc. if your not against leschrac and your up against earthshaker or whoever it could work wonders. and lastly have a practice with your team beforehand so you can all get on the same page and use constructive criticism to get better. and if you can watch a replay of your opponents game and look at their item builds and tactics and try to find a weakness. by doing the advice listed above you should be able to come out with a win, and Omniknight WILL! be a factor so try him out, and I believe there are a few good guides for him in the strategy section thundercracker so have fun stay active!

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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:15 pm

how bout this?
magna
lich
axe
luna?


thats a xur easy combo...^^
just the magna...
leave the magna to the experienced one...^^
buy dagger...
then kaboom!
SPAM all you want...
thats = to GG
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:54 pm

I dont think they would try and change their line ups, . .

and AM is already at the opposing team, . .

Axe owns early and mid game, and i dont think the enemy would settle for a long game because apparently it a 3v4 game.

i'd suggest you pick a disabler (e.g. Bane Elemental, Butcher, preferrably Rhasta) so now it turns 4v2! and considering you have Razor w/c is a Imba dpser make sure to let him/her feed,

Euls and Meka for witch doctor make him/her a supporter,

if you chose a Intel hero make sure you dont become food for Magina!, . .

lane with Axe if possible this will stop Magina from blinking away, . .

Rhasta
would remove the Aphotic Shield from Abaddon and Axe would kill him even with his Ulti on, . .so you dont have that much problem with that, .

but if Leshrac changes to Raigor, well it becomes a different story . . Axe and Razor would most likely stop Raigor from feeding to much.

now about Bloodseeker, . . early game Bloodseeker just sucks, . .so BE SURE it stays that way, . otherwise your asses are goners!
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:06 pm

Well........Lion would be able to dish in a couple of disables
Witch Doctor Might be good though.....A Maledict Finger is a sure kill on someone. Try Stunners for your team

Lion,Razor,Nerubian Assasin,Axe. for me that would be an ok team.....but Magina is another problem. If the other guy goes for bloodseeker don't let him farm.

Since there are 4 of you then ganking should be no problem. Creep block correctly and set up wards to avoid them ganking you. ^_^
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:32 pm

Omniknight definitely
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:13 am

off topic:

ei mods how can you get negative gold?
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:48 am

@ sfsy1 ;D Omniknight for sure!

the matchups are key and make sure you get razor fed alot so he can dominate. Bloodseeker is a liability early game so exploit him but raigor changes things... make sure your team controls the tempo of the game and the key will be lane matchups based on skill and hero weaknesses. Leschrac is soft early game and doesn't have enough mana to spam his spells so if you gank him early since he's their best player and if your omni he shouldn't be able to get away due to aura and allow razor to get alot of dps hits in to kill him and you do have a heal and a magic immunity spell so there is little risk in ganking him or being laned against him. if you can take down their leader the game should tip into your favor quite fast since he will be caught off guard and have to change his strategy. make sure that the worst player on your team is laned with either you or the second best player on your team. breakdown the matchups, play as a team, exploit their weaknesses, use numbers to your advantage 4v3, and use Omniknight since he will be a huge asset to you in this matchup.

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:17 am

1st of all, im no pro. But i do have an opinion on this. I believe u should use Bane Elemental. i think its safe to say you will be handling leshrac, otherwise he will feed on ur team and get a crazy level and item gap. Your disables will seriously OWN THE SHIT out of him early to mid, thereby preventing him from levelling and farming. If u wanna do it in a kinda noobish way, just buy a dagon XD
Brainsap + Fiends Grip + Dagon = owned. Just be prepared to be sworn at lol. maybe even punched in the face. hehe just kidding.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:24 am

you will be screwd over if they all pick diff chars.

your relying on axe and NA

axe cannot die becasue he is your optimum late gamer.
give him his own lane if he can handle, and if he has problems gang oposit and let him farm some more(team work!)
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:54 am

Try Nerubian assasin or Magina.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:18 pm

define expierenced player who doesnt know how to orb walk.

lesh gets pretty much owned by another nuker.
hood may be a alternative.
if lesh is seriously owning you that much during the game choose a teammate to get a bkb, preferably the tank.
heros for 'you' to pick i would suggest you go either omniknight of jugg.
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