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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:22 pmPost what hero do you think that needs a buff or a remake. Please explain clearly your reasons and don't just go around saying, I CAN'T OWN WITH THIS USELESS HERO. I'll start off first.
Banehallow - Ok first things first, what exactly is the role of this hero? He's supposed to be a powerful late gamer and a excellent chaser/tower diver mid game. Let's analyze his skills shall we?
Wolves - A good skill, allows you to neutral early and allows you to get early kills if you are lucky
Howl - It's just like command aura except you have to activate it. Nothing special here.
Feral heart - Movespeed and attack speed is good but it just like any other passive skill, there's nothing really special about it.
Shapeshift - This instantly turns him into an amazing damage dealer and with this skill Bane can actually start killing. But the big problem is it has a really long cool down. Cooldown: 160 / 145 / 120
Conclusion:
Heroes like Balanar, Slardar, and Gondar out classes him in chasing ability since these heroes can have high movespeed without waiting for a long cooldown. Heroes with blink can also out do him in his role as a chaser. His late game is also nothing spectacular, many heroes are better late gamers than banehallow. Overall he's lacking in many areas and needs a slight remake, I mean when was the last time icefrog buffed banehallow anyway?
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Krobeus, chen, ezalor , pugna.
krobeus : exept from killing towers , her ulti is bad cause u can just run away from it
chen : u have to be really decent to control 5 units at a time (hard for noobs)
ezalor : in late game , his ulti can be countered by a aoe , and his beam is minor dmg.
pugna : needs a strong nuke.
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balanar has high ms only at night and this is about 5 min cooldown .....
slardar takes 20% more dmg when he uses his sprint ,serious drawback
and gondar is a hell lot weaker than banehallow imo....
Shapeshift does not give you only extra ms ...it is a buriza and a vanguard at the same time with only 60 sec cooldown....
banehallow is nerfed well and he should stay that way... anything better will result in imbalanceness...
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uuhhmm..
i think its gotta be krobelus?
although her skills are kinda usefull at some times..
but.
i'll explain why she sucks..
the carrion swarm: very useful form farming.. and as a nuke..
the silence could be very useful when used correctly..
the third skill is kinda..... dunno.. usefull i guess coz it decreases the cooldowns and increases ghost..
but im kinda pissed at..
the ghosts..
coz..
even though they're too many of em..
most of the time even at clashes they only attack single heroes..
the one krobelus is targeting..
why not cover the whole AoE??
thats what bugs me..
and she's too soft..
int hunters like magina and ANUBARAk could easily hunt her down in absolutely 1 combo...
im not sure of what i said though..
coz i only used krobelus on ar macthes..
lol.
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xaurax wrote:
Krobeus, chen, ezalor , pugna.
krobeus : exept from killing towers , her ulti is bad cause u can just run away from it
chen : u have to be really decent to control 5 units at a time (hard for noobs)
ezalor : in late game , his ulti can be countered by a aoe , and his beam is minor dmg.
pugna : needs a strong nuke.
Krobeus, chen, ezalor , pugna.
krobeus : exept from killing towers , her ulti is bad cause u can just run away from it
chen : u have to be really decent to control 5 units at a time (hard for noobs)
ezalor : in late game , his ulti can be countered by a aoe , and his beam is minor dmg.
pugna : needs a strong nuke.
@Krobie
True, but then again that's what allies with disables are for. Allies like Enigma and Magnus can keep them close to take the full damage of your ulti.
@Chen
That not really a good reason why you should buff a hero just because noobs can't play him well since that'll just benefit pro players making them quite imba. Although I agree that neutral creeps needs a little buff since the only useful neutral creep left is the centaur.
@Ezalor
Agree, even at early game not many people will simply stand in front of it and get killed.
@Pugna
Blast is already a strong nuke but it's not a good finisher. Pugna just needs allies do the nuking, pair him up with Lich and watch as the hero kills rack up.
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balanar has high ms only at night and this is about 5 min cooldown .....
slardar takes 20% more dmg when he uses his sprint ,serious drawback
and gondar is a hell lot weaker than banehallow imo....
Shapeshift does not give you only extra ms ...it is a buriza and a vanguard at the same time with only 60 sec cooldown....
banehallow is nerfed well and he should stay that way... anything better will result in imbalanceness...
balanar has high ms only at night and this is about 5 min cooldown .....
slardar takes 20% more dmg when he uses his sprint ,serious drawback
and gondar is a hell lot weaker than banehallow imo....
Shapeshift does not give you only extra ms ...it is a buriza and a vanguard at the same time with only 60 sec cooldown....
banehallow is nerfed well and he should stay that way... anything better will result in imbalanceness...
Balanar can extend night duration not to mention his move speed bonus lasts longer.
Slardar, MoM also has a increased damage taken and I don't see heroes like Sven having much of a problem with that. Slardar has the hp to tank the sprint amplification.
Gondar has a nuke allowing him to own alot earlier.
Yes Shapeshift is alot more powerful but with out it banehallow can't really do much and not even shapeshift can make him stronger than most of the other late gamers.
Eg: Void, Troll, Obsidian, Mortred, etc.
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Medusa
Her attack- the damage is really basic at most, but the animation plainly sucks.
Chain lightning- really just a basic nuke/pushing skill
Split shot- Overall doubles your attack but doesn't really amount to much considering your mediocre DPS.
Mana Shield- desynergizes with chain lightning since you don't have that much mana and health, and what does it make you? A wannabe tank?
Purge- a good slow with practical uses, nice skill but disappointing as an ulti.
All in all, Medusa is a weak damage dealer, a not-so-good tank, a decent pusher and a nice slow. I don't see much of potential in her. And the animation just sucks.
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rambol wrote:
Medusa
Her attack- the damage is really basic at most, but the animation plainly sucks.
Chain lightning- really just a basic nuke/pushing skill
Split shot- Overall doubles your attack but doesn't really amount to much considering your mediocre DPS.
Mana Shield- desynergizes with chain lightning since you don't have that much mana and health, and what does it make you? A wannabe tank?
Purge- a good slow with practical uses, nice skill but disappointing as an ulti.
All in all, Medusa is a weak damage dealer, a not-so-good tank, a decent pusher and a nice slow. I don't see much of potential in her. And the animation just sucks.
Medusa
Her attack- the damage is really basic at most, but the animation plainly sucks.
Chain lightning- really just a basic nuke/pushing skill
Split shot- Overall doubles your attack but doesn't really amount to much considering your mediocre DPS.
Mana Shield- desynergizes with chain lightning since you don't have that much mana and health, and what does it make you? A wannabe tank?
Purge- a good slow with practical uses, nice skill but disappointing as an ulti.
All in all, Medusa is a weak damage dealer, a not-so-good tank, a decent pusher and a nice slow. I don't see much of potential in her. And the animation just sucks.
Yes, since it would be stupid to get rapier now Medusa can't do her awesome rapier build anymore. BTW I don't really find a problem with her attack animation it's kind of like drow's.
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It's kind of like drow's but medusa's is slightly slower, and Medusa doesn't have a good damage increaser like drow's aura.
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the thing about Bane is that he, compared too all the other end-gamers is that he is not only an endgamer. with wolfes and his passive he can take down pretty much anyone. He is not a true endgamer, but can ebe great, and his early/mid game is not horrible like the other endgamers.
Chen needs no buffs. him and his creeps are great. ofc he takes practise, he is afterall not like any other hero in dota, but if mastered he can be a great support. Neutral creeps are stronger then ever imo. The new troll got a web the wildkin a nuke and the wolf has a great dmg aura. the old creeps are still great.
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lyngse wrote:
the thing about Bane is that he, compared too all the other end-gamers is that he is not only an endgamer. with wolfes and his passive he can take down pretty much anyone. He is not a true endgamer, but can ebe great, and his early/mid game is not horrible like the other endgamers.
Chen needs no buffs. him and his creeps are great. ofc he takes practise, he is afterall not like any other hero in dota, but if mastered he can be a great support. Neutral creeps are stronger then ever imo. The new troll got a web the wildkin a nuke and the wolf has a great dmg aura. the old creeps are still great.
the thing about Bane is that he, compared too all the other end-gamers is that he is not only an endgamer. with wolfes and his passive he can take down pretty much anyone. He is not a true endgamer, but can ebe great, and his early/mid game is not horrible like the other endgamers.
Chen needs no buffs. him and his creeps are great. ofc he takes practise, he is afterall not like any other hero in dota, but if mastered he can be a great support. Neutral creeps are stronger then ever imo. The new troll got a web the wildkin a nuke and the wolf has a great dmg aura. the old creeps are still great.
Heroes like Razor, Nevermore, Viper, Akasha, and Obsidian can also do well early-mid game and still be a bit stronger than bane. As for Chen I would give all those new creeps away for the old speed auras, back then you can give your entire team 400+ movespeed with those creeps.
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fwii~ wrote:
@Krobie
True, but then again that's what allies with disables are for. Allies like Enigma and Magnus can keep them close to take the full damage of your ulti.
@Chen
That not really a good reason why you should buff a hero just because noobs can't play him well since that'll just benefit pro players making them quite imba. Although I agree that neutral creeps needs a little buff since the only useful neutral creep left is the centaur.
@Ezalor
Agree, even at early game not many people will simply stand in front of it and get killed.
@Pugna
Blast is already a strong nuke but it's not a good finisher. Pugna just needs allies do the nuking, pair him up with Lich and watch as the hero kills rack up.
Balanar can extend night duration not to mention his move speed bonus lasts longer.
Slardar, MoM also has a increased damage taken and I don't see heroes like Sven having much of a problem with that. Slardar has the hp to tank the sprint amplification.
Gondar has a nuke allowing him to own alot earlier.
Yes Shapeshift is alot more powerful but with out it banehallow can't really do much and not even shapeshift can make him stronger than most of the other late gamers.
Eg: Void, Troll, Obsidian, Mortred, etc.
@Krobie
True, but then again that's what allies with disables are for. Allies like Enigma and Magnus can keep them close to take the full damage of your ulti.
@Chen
That not really a good reason why you should buff a hero just because noobs can't play him well since that'll just benefit pro players making them quite imba. Although I agree that neutral creeps needs a little buff since the only useful neutral creep left is the centaur.
@Ezalor
Agree, even at early game not many people will simply stand in front of it and get killed.
@Pugna
Blast is already a strong nuke but it's not a good finisher. Pugna just needs allies do the nuking, pair him up with Lich and watch as the hero kills rack up.
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balanar has high ms only at night and this is about 5 min cooldown .....
slardar takes 20% more dmg when he uses his sprint ,serious drawback
and gondar is a hell lot weaker than banehallow imo....
Shapeshift does not give you only extra ms ...it is a buriza and a vanguard at the same time with only 60 sec cooldown....
banehallow is nerfed well and he should stay that way... anything better will result in imbalanceness...
balanar has high ms only at night and this is about 5 min cooldown .....
slardar takes 20% more dmg when he uses his sprint ,serious drawback
and gondar is a hell lot weaker than banehallow imo....
Shapeshift does not give you only extra ms ...it is a buriza and a vanguard at the same time with only 60 sec cooldown....
banehallow is nerfed well and he should stay that way... anything better will result in imbalanceness...
Balanar can extend night duration not to mention his move speed bonus lasts longer.
Slardar, MoM also has a increased damage taken and I don't see heroes like Sven having much of a problem with that. Slardar has the hp to tank the sprint amplification.
Gondar has a nuke allowing him to own alot earlier.
Yes Shapeshift is alot more powerful but with out it banehallow can't really do much and not even shapeshift can make him stronger than most of the other late gamers.
Eg: Void, Troll, Obsidian, Mortred, etc.
i disagree that the centaur neutral creep is the only useful controlled creep... the new dark troll warlord is also excellent to control because of the ensnare... although it lasts only very short.. and in team clashes.. the new werebear thingy with cyclone can be quite useful thought unpredictable... and in my opinion.. banehallow is okay by himself... though it is VERY true indeed that he relies very heavily on his ultimate, shapeshift to be powerful... but if you compare with the other hero's you mentioned earlier.. they are not up to the task.. firstly.. bounty hunter lacks the ability to tank damage while dealing damage... though he has fast movement speed with track.. he doesn't have sufficient str to continue whacking the enemies in a team clash... for slardar, and mom users, for the bonuses the skill gives.. you gain more damage... shapeshift gives you the opposite... instead of letting you take bonus damage.. it gives you hp... which is important.. though minimal... next, it give you critical, attack speed, and essentially movement speed.... and in the hands of a good player... the lv4 wolves are VERY useful for scouting and the surprise element... for the simple reason that they are a good damage dealer early-mid.. and a excellent scout mid-late as there are 2 scouts each time summoned... you can scout a big area in no time... just make sure you can micro well enough to do so..and though late game the wolves are easy targets... in team clashes.. who bothers killing your wolves... then they become deadly... why? their bash are excellent.. 2 of them with fast attack speed = more chance of bash bash bash...for me... i normally get sny and vlad's offering for lycantrope... with that... my movement and atatck speeds are extraordinary and with lifestealing wolf with damage bonus from vlad's and howl... enemies are easy targets... simply with a sny.. your hp easily soar over 2.5k... after shapeshifting... with insane attack speed to follow up, criticals and bashes by default...IMO.. lycan's effectiveness is on how well he farms with the hero and how well he uses the wolves... if you can manage your wolves well... rather than to just send them into the enemy forest together and auto attack the enemy... giving away your scout... just take some time to control them well... seriously... lycantrope shines earlier than most very-late gamers... thus giving him the advantage...
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@kesgaea
Stun > All IMO.
I see your point in the banehollow argument but look at this way. Those other heroes can hunt alot more often than bane can making them more effective hunters. I also agree that bane peaks earlier than some late gamers but there are also other early bloomers that he has to compete with. Sylla, Dragon Knight, Silencer, Yurnero, Sven, and many others. There's also the problem when he goes into a team clash. He's melee and he doesn't have a skill the protects him from being focus fired ex: Void has Chrono, Yurnero has omnislash.
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@fwii
yes banehallow is a hunter and i agree with you
@topis
i think medusa is heavily underpowered
i mean, wtf....416 hp?o.O 183 mana or what?o.O that really sucks, and she because she`s not that hella good hero whatsoever...
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ummh.. can i add the new naix. i he's just not that strong like before, mean few passive skills which late gamers need.
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ummh.. can i add the new naix. i he's just not that strong like before, mean few passive skills which late gamers need.
ummh.. can i add the new naix. i he's just not that strong like before, mean few passive skills which late gamers need.
Like what? Care to explain a little bit more?
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