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The new competitive DotA
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:11 pmThis is my first real DotA-related thread so cheers
I made this to express my own observations which i seem to call the "retro style with a twist"
The 6.50 logs had witnessed major changes to game play ,decimating a strategy caspian calls and refers as "blink+stun"
heroes involved in this strategy are now heavily nerfed, aside the fact they also loses a big portion of survivability dues to bottle and dagger nerf. This has been the highlights to the birth of a new DotA era, but quite oddly similar to the old ones, back at the good ol' days we see Bone carrying with DR's and Aegises.
Buffs done that shows this is true, is the implication of 3 items, 2 new ones, the armlet of mordiggan, shiva's guard and the improved, hand of midas
the winner the newest competitive DotA, SK has shown new ways to carry and win, which had developed thinkings to cover the weaknesses of late game carries.
AoM has opened a new portal of destruction for late game carries, by covering their issues with a cheap solution that has been replacing dagger which was not viable to them anyway. AoM, will later bring an implication i believe no one has ever expected. for long,most pub heroes has been a restrict to high level plays due to the fact they require too much to be beneficial. implementations of AoM, has turned this upside down. In short, we might be seeing Balanar and Banehallow roaming in maps and paths, hunting for heroes they once failed to destroy, due to the notorious dagger. AoM has paved ownage to even agility heroes who needs absurd levels of farming to contribute. Simplified, Void and PA.
The new shiva's guard is also a destructive force to be reckoned with. With QoP finally being nerfed after being buffed for multiple logs, this items shows the window of opportunities for some undiscovered heroes to be effective. Being no longer the "Queen Of Leagues"(caspian), this has lead to the popular beliefs that another hero with an utterly same concept to be the new league pick. Puck and Visage. Puck has been compared to QoP so frequently that people seems to think that IceFrog's main intention is to see this hero being overused in games just like QoP did. Visage has also been receiving several buffs and nerf but the highlights remains at the buffs. Although his lane control ability has been nerfed, he now stands stronger in team battles as a carry that is always relative and powerful to his allies, and now, he has been given the ability ,to wield an orb. Another hero that will be the top ban is probably the all time powerful , Warlock. Warlock is in fact a powerful hero, referred to as a powerhouse due to his amazing abilities to synergize and destroy. The infernal has been buffed by making it less fragile to medusa and shiva is a new hit to him as well, providing possibilities of necro build being abandoned as main build. the tendency of refresher is also high since it is now, the best item for price and benefits.
And now, the classic item, HoM has been indirectly buff, and is predicted to bring back the old school play, the 30 minutes farm with a twist to pushing as well. caspian had mentioned that the abilities of HoM to transmute level 6 satyrs, i see this as a very powerful ability especially to heroes that needs to farm smoothly. i believe we will see Bone returning ,as he is now back as the old league bone with the powerful lane control and gank power. The new courier change ,dagger nerf and ward nerf has also been sighted as a signal. This is really a buff to bone as he has been always a great candidate to use HoM. However, new heroes that are powerful forces with this item also exist. i place my bets on Void. yes, Void is now a relevant pick as he has been buffed through the addition of AoM and improvement of HoM. As i mentioned , this is the new pub-like competitive DotA i have anticipated.
Will this be true? This all depends on the next map, if there is no major changes to it, tendency of the next map to be the new stable map, is high.
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Quite interesting reading, thanks for that. Another hero that has been discussed, and is anticipated to be used more in competitive play, is Pudge. Due to the nerf on blink dagger, he is now more usefull since people won't escape him so easy anymore. Mouz, for example, used him against MYM not so long ago. I think that would be exciting to see what Pudge's future in competitive Dota now is.
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i see
but it seems that this will also apply on several other heroes, that are also good with certain items. for one i highlight sven and tiny, i have also experimented recently with these 2, and found them to be very viable through replays and self play
thanks for commenting!!
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Agree, especially with Tiny. Played a game recently where I was Earth Shaker and I had Tiny on my team. With our combo we won all the team battles. Off course, we could have won 'em in the old versions, but then maybe someone would escape. But not now.
I think the changes to Dota has offered some new excitement when watching competitive play, and just the games I play: different heroes, different builds etc. Omniknight will probably also benefit from the nerf to the dagger. He could become a great team player and supporter in the big battles due to Guardian Angel. Also a well known super-ally early game for Pudge :P
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great and informative thread!
if we get a new stable map soon, im gonna enjoy playing clinkz in clan games ^^
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i will later make a thread on my opinion of the probable new line-ups, currently watching replays of MYM mock draft
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I'm going to have to say this:
Omniknight is probably the most imbalanced hero in 6.52. Have Omniknight and Medusa on the same side, or ban Medusa, and you can hardly stop his paladin rampages.
I'm not too sure how the mapmaker is going to deal with this :|
And Dark Seer too is very hard to deal with.
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I like the thread bro. You forgot to mention how the AoM addition+ Naix addition made a great combo.
Or how it is on Huskar.
Also, add in how shivas can be played with many non-int heroes like Earthshaker.
And HoM was nerfed to NOT be able to transmute level 6 creeps anymore :/
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Haha nice post... think u should compete with Caspian for those "view on dota" threads.
@Caspian Yes I can agree. Medusa+Omniknight is the Imba-est combo one can find as of now. First there was the imba 4, now there could be the imba 2...
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caspian wrote:
I'm going to have to say this:
Omniknight is probably the most imbalanced hero in 6.52. Have Omniknight and Medusa on the same side, or ban Medusa, and you can hardly stop his paladin rampages.
I'm not too sure how the mapmaker is going to deal with this :|
And Dark Seer too is very hard to deal with.
I agree
I'm going to have to say this:
Omniknight is probably the most imbalanced hero in 6.52. Have Omniknight and Medusa on the same side, or ban Medusa, and you can hardly stop his paladin rampages.
I'm not too sure how the mapmaker is going to deal with this :|
And Dark Seer too is very hard to deal with.
it seems that all 3 new items are goon on him, with not his powers in tag being farr to imbalanced, pers getting buffed means more refresher, and more pushing power. as horur and coco said, viability of pub heroes are now clear, i am focusing on slardar and purist(thanks for reminding) whos have not been given anything but buffs. slardar is popular, with AoM and HotD buffed, this hero is simply a monster now
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coco616 wrote:
And HoM was nerfed to NOT be able to transmute level 6 creeps anymore :/
And HoM was nerfed to NOT be able to transmute level 6 creeps anymore :/
Works as usual in 6.52c, gives slightly more than 200 gold on a transmuted level 6 Satyr Hellcaller.
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caspian wrote:
Works as usual in 6.52c, gives slightly more than 200 gold on a transmuted level 6 Satyr Hellcaller.
exactly
coco616 wrote:
And HoM was nerfed to NOT be able to transmute level 6 creeps anymore :/
And HoM was nerfed to NOT be able to transmute level 6 creeps anymore :/
Works as usual in 6.52c, gives slightly more than 200 gold on a transmuted level 6 Satyr Hellcaller.
this speeds up farming rate of those carries, i'm concerned about re-viable bone fletcher whos now also been buffed by nerfing wards and crow mana upgrade. this will make him like the best ganking ward ever, ganking as soon as he grabs some damage and survivability. i've seen this work on GG, he's absolute beast on the right hands
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informative..
purist is (in my opinion) the most IMBA hero in the recent maps, essentially winning the just a couple of basic (aka tier 1 and 2) items.
and i would fully support the bringing back of DR Aegis... or at least something similar.
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yes kinda
but with solid line-ups the prob is just a small bit
someone like bane or veno can sit right next to bone's lane and come when needed
xcuse meh, i have a fetish with bone. read my guides for more proof xD
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