Need PRO Help Again

Need PRO Help Again

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:55 am

this is a followup from thundercrakers post

we have a pro vs. us match upcoming but the date is far away. they say -ap first and we are weak. lets take a look at it from the past stats:
game 1: 2vs2; i was viper[2nd game of my life] and ally in 1st game was clinkz and they were bloodseeker and razor and we played warcraft3 then and we didnt know anything and chose heroes for their photoes. disaster of the greatest sort. AI would have been better for them.

game 2: 5vs3; we were total newbies and they were 2 with one insane v6.43b AI+1.4 RGB. we had lina, axe, sniper[greatest one then], nevermore and the doombringing tiny. they had pudge[pull and kill], fuzzy wuzzy with insane unstoppable FS and ulti we didnt know about and AI cwarchief that made us lose too fast because of fact that tiny was picked by us. another complete disaster.

game 3: 5vs5; nicely matched. wanted some blood, got some splashed at us. we had Bseeker, necrolyte, lich, magnataur, demon witch against pro pudge, skeleton king, luna moonfang, bone fletcher and mirana nightshade. they ganked us pretty bad, clinkz didnt let us farm, we were owned and were thrashed. we need to learn to gank.

So for game 4 we have a plan. we cant win by playing so we gonna gank faster[lvl6] and deny them heroes that they like and use to hunt us down. our team has planned:
sandking, rooftrellen, barathrum, pudge[their god], Bseeker
this is to win and also stop them from hunting us down using BS and SB. SK and Rooftrellen combined ulti and chases bu BS and SB. Pudge to pull and kill.

so please comment on this idea and tell us all you can to help us on our quest. you know we are humbled nwebie like players and need your help to greaten our rank. tell us about what heroes\items we should use or not use and ganks and stratigies and all that

i am grunge and may not be able to quickly follow up on ths. so feel free to acknowledge the posts by my classmates and best of friends thundercraker and haunted foolz. we are a team and work combinedly. you can address anybody here and say all you like. needing your help and thanking you for your time and support.....

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:30 am

honestly you are pretty brave to fight pro dota player even you're not that good yet..i remembered when i was a newbie, it took me 4 nonstop dota months for me to become a decent player from being a noob..

@ topic

your team combo will not work because they are not balanced.. because sandking,barathrum,pudge,bloodseeker and roof are all str heroes..u must have str,agi and int heroes so your team can work properly..

your team must have
tank (centaur warchief,ulfsaar,pudge,leviathan,davion,,pudge,rooftrellen and many others)

support heroes/disablers (ezalor,chen,raylai,silencer,lion,atropos,harbringer,rhasta,jakiro and others)

heavy nuker/harasser (zeus,lina,lich,tinker and others)

Damage per second heroes/LAte game heroes (Morphling,Yurnero,Raijin,Mortred,Clinkz,Traxex,Viper and others)

Chasers
(Magina,Akasha,Bloodseeker,Balanar and others)

just choose which heroes you would use..
although i suggest centaur,lion,lich,Viper and Balanar because they are easy to use....


you should know how to balance ganking and farming..my tip is that you read the library part in the forums....

these are the things that you really need to know
teamwork
last hitting/denying
ganking
mindgames.
and the skills of your heores...

if you already picked a hero just look for a strategy....only read strat that have 4 or 5 stars rating..tehy are helpful
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:30 am

IMO if u r newbies
and they are pro

u will lose anyway

and don't pick pudge if u don't know how to play him

they will pick any other hero wiuth ganking posibilities

like Balanr and own u again

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:33 am

there is 99% chance that you will lose but you must be able to put a good fight..after all you're still new to dota..don't let them trash you..do your best so that even if you lose you will not be humiliated

and if you lose think of this..
"if you can't beat them,join them"

BTW i'm not a pro...
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:45 am

take heroes you have faith in playing, not to win but to improve
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:54 pm

yeah you should improve
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:20 pm

Get heroes that synergise well together. Practise with them and test out combos together and the roles in the team.

Lol and another saying I have for you(hehe we are all full of sayings):

With every loss you inch closer to victory

With every game played, you gain experience, it doesn't matter if you all lose. Take it like men and get some tips from the others. Then practise more. You WILL improve.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:18 pm

another saying...
"surround yourself not by fence but by friends" haha..doesn't make sense..good luck on your match
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:04 pm

we are pretty confident about the pudege thing because one of my mates is training all time pudge and i must say he is good. we got practice your pudge too. but this lineup was because they always took low-hp heroes like clinkz, mirana and we thought the sandking rooftrellen ultis combo would finish them off. only enemy i see is silencer since pudge is ours. besides, if we go for intelligence and low hp we'll be owned faster and so we selected this. thanks for the help and advise. like to know that losing is a step to winning. keep posting here, my friends will also see and tell us how to gank. we plan burrowstrike[roof has everyone invisible and whole map lighted] and epi charge. roof ulti and chaos. barathrum and BS will chase and pudge will dis and rot and hook and so on. should try this one on beginners for fun and testing at the cyber. thanks

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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:16 pm

Well if you think about good ulti....enigma's ulti is godlike 5 sec stun, but hard to use, he can replace SK maybe. BS sounds good if you can get them low enough. Techies could be another good choice but he takes practice....Rikimaru is another WW and he can kill low hp heros in a snap. Centaur and pudge seem a must and so does roof and BS..If you could get away with it try a nuker.
Just my thoughts and teacher yeling at me too work and helping them...


"The best defense is a good offence"
Probably a bad quote in this case no?
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