Why bfury should NOT be gotten for yunero. READ ON

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:12 am

yes although i have noticed (to my disappointment) that you can't cast mirror image and the like while you are being omnislashed.. sigh there goes that escape

late game you wont be killing the images fast enough anyway even with a fury.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:15 am

Just tested Juggernaut without Battlefury today. I had complete lane dominance and although my farming was a bit slow, I still managed to get some items at an average rate. We ended up losing due to poor teamwork but at least I got my 7 kill streak
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:23 am

would a butterfly rush have being more effective is the question.

35% splash means even if you instant kill the first creep you need 3 shots to kill the one behind it.
generally it takes 2 shots to kill a creep, and that's WITH at least 1 crit so thats 6 shots to kill the 3 behind it...
you save 2 attacks. but lose attackspeed.. which could have got you the 2 attacks easily.
but that just on a normal lane situation.

against a huge push it would be more effective.. but do you get this just to counter a push?
invest in a lesh and send him in guns blazing.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 am



Blade furies damage isnt good in late games, and it has cooldown, it has mana cost.
And its magical, it has a limited duration.
Bladefury doesnt add in the damage from criticals nor damage from items.
You can last hit properly if bladefury on, you rely on luck.

Battlefuries cleave have no mana cost, no cooldown, pure damage and its unlimited as long as you keep attacking. Battlefury could deal more than 700 damage in an area, and more on the main target.
You can last hit better with battlefury.

I dont see how bladefury can replace battlefury. Bladefury is more of a early game damage skill and in late game a escape because u grants magic immunity. It shouldnt be spamed on creeps and should be used more wisely to dodge spells.

Jugg needs mana and hp regen badly, can bladefury give any?

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:36 am

thats y u get 3 battlefuries
u can kill a whole wave in one hit
regen so u never need to go bak to base
get better items

think of it this way
if u get a butter then a battlefury it will be longer than getting a battlefury then butter......haha

this item is a must have on yurnero

if u have good items u can team kill with his ulti and cant be done withought battlefuries

oh and he only needs aspd items at mid late so he can team kill cuz he can own enough wit his ulti earlier on
and he wont crit as much but it sooo insignificant cuz u will crit like 7/10 hits
battlefuries give lots of damage so that the crits will be like around 800 anywaiiz

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:40 am

want regen buy a heart and orchid.

orchid on juggs is actually really really good..


oh well points at my previous post which sfsy has ignored.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:06 am

@sfsy1
since when does he need HP and mana regen badly? a sobi could easily take that out
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:18 am

OMFG
why dont you guys ever read what I have posted
Did I ever mention farming with bladefury? NO
never in my post did I say that, it was an idea that other people wrote, and people think that I WROTE it..You don't farm with a bladefury, because you
don't have the sufficient mana to abuse it without the battlefury. you farm by last hitting, and at late game WHY WOULD YOU USE BLADEFURY? you will have sufficient aspd and damage to easily kill off a wave of creeps.
Like I have stated before, is cleave the ONLY way to farm effectively? so everyone who is considered to be a good farmer has to have cleave? NO, fast aspder such as drow,clinks,viper,veno all manage to farm well without the use of a battlefury...GET IT?? that point is addressed and I will not answer it again without a good reason.


"Whether you are farming by cleave or last hitting, it doesnt matter. It is how much creep kills you get in a wave.
In late games, with so high damage items, do you really bother to last hit? Battlefury helps you get kills, because in late game pushes or defenses, its very very crowded. You may not be able to even reach some creeps because u r melee, so battlefury actually could help."

read what I have wrote


"Since yurnero is melee, he will definitely be harrassed in lane, quite badly. So to stay in lane for longer time to get more XP and gold, ring of health is quite crucial in early game. "

The way I play it is, get bladefury + stats early, plus a ring (not ring of health) which will be made into a vlad later if I'm going for a vlad build, which I don't always do. and I harass the hero more than they harass me..and usually get first blood. BUT to stay in the lane longer, it is advisable to get edible trees (tangos) more than rings, because they are cheaper and more effective source of regeneration, and since I ALWAYS get a chicken if I'm soloing (which I usually do when I play jugger), it helps me get all the regen I want. that should partially answer your question, if you get harassed more, than what's the point of getting a ring? it would be better to request for a backup, ganks, or switching lanes; but it has never happened to me before so meh.

"Also, in early game, he depends more on skills than attack to kill, and all his skills have high mana cost. So he needs mana. Obviously, if you do not want to return so soon, you will buy void stone."

Ever heard of stats? and gg branches? they boost your mana pool to more than you actually need to use it when you really need it. And I hope you don't spam your bladefury to kill creeps, because that's very very noob.

'what about radiance?'
who said anything about radiance? I never said radiance should be gotten over battlefury..

why do you keep saying cleave is an 'extra'??
What is the defining point of BATTLEFURY? it's known because of ITS cleave...so you buy it for the cleave, not for the damage, or the regen, because other things can be bought for those..please don't say, 'it's a complete package', because that means you don't know what the point of an item is..


I can't tell you what my complete build is, because I play jugger really quite versatively, and change my items according to my mood, and my situation and how much I have farmed..and only build a battlefury when I get image heroes that could prove to be a pain later...and I build TWO, not ONE..

I try these builds
boots
hyper
helm of domiator
upgrade to helm (up to now, these items provide the basis for my neutral, and creep farming)
butterfly
butterfly
then either get my one luxury item such as mkb,deso,etc
make satanic and curiass


OR
boots
hyper
treads/travels
vlad
s&y/mjollnir
butterfly

and others but I dont have a particular build
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:46 am

And you wonder why some people don't like you. Calm down please.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:55 am

lol Shim
there's no need for that. I wasn't wondering, I don't really care, just thought it would make for a good conversation.
but dont go around making me feel like a fool!
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:59 am

=/ Temp is rising again? Checks thermometer =p..

I think I saw someone mention stopping big pushes, I think a ward might be able to heal you from behind and you can stop CREEP pushes. Just don't try that on Heroes unless they are melee and rather dumb.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:00 am

Haha, words spoken from a true jug user metallic_ghost, indeed bfury is the item for more inexperienced jug players. More experienced jugs would get sny and maybe vlads, bfury is a lot easier to use however. I prefer getting AS instead of pure dmg due to the frequence of crits>dmg of crits (hes not pa). Also, AS items are a must for a good omnislash. I was also pretty angry at how that guide got rated so well for such a mediocre strat.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:02 am

well my friend got a Godlike spree(I KID U NOT) before he even went back to base and he got 2 perseverance's to help him survive, after that he went and finished off his 2 BF's which helped him own even more.(and this wasn;t a noobs game, i repeat it wasn't a noobs game)
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:06 am

My guide you mean...and why would you be angry =p...I've done nothin wrong. And I didn't post a big sign saying 'GET BATTLE FURY OR DIE'. To avoid all these problems from happening to my next guide, I will post alternative builds so everybody is happy..
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:30 am

My point stands. Besides, its the Support Team's responsibility to make people feel like fools (well no, I made that up...)
My real point stands: Calm please. "omfg" isn't a swear word itself but has one in it. You know exactly what I mean. Plus caps. Etc ...
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