Heroes who don't need BkB?

Posted on Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:32 pm

Tanks. BKB on tanks is like Divine on casters.
Any hero that needs stealth.
Riki
Azwraith
Meepo
Backline casters, Zeus, Warlock.
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Posted on Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:38 pm

i know is not really connected with topic but does alchist ulti-chemical rage works with bkb ?
and if they dont then he need it ... i gues

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Posted on Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:29 am

There not many. BKB is more of a situational item. You don't need them where there's not much stuns.
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Posted on Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:17 pm

Illusion heroes also dont need BKB. Generally you wanna get BKB if you are a heavy damage dealer like Zeus or Troll. But getting it on Axe or Doom is very odd.
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Posted on Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:41 pm

Meepo, Weaver, Omni, Centaur, Tide, Treant Protector, Naix, Silencer, Ogre, Techies, Chen, Jakiro, Raijin, Puck, Rhasta, Terror, Lich, Krob, Lion, Venomancer, Gorgon, Lucifer, Razor, Pugna, Necrolyte, Pudge, Bloodseeker (situational), OD, Warlock, Pit Lord, Dark seer, invoker IMO this is the full list
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Posted on Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:52 pm

BKB should NOT be gotten on most tanks (for then you are being counter productive). If you are playing a support or carry tank, than it could be different (BKB on Huskar is generally needed)

BKB also CAN be gotten on Omniknight, Naix, and Yurnero. ill give reasons why:

-Omniknight is a support hero and should generally cast repel on ally carries. Therefore he can cast repel on allies and use BKB himself so his allies dont have to farm up a BKB (since having a BKB in Omniknight's inventory wont affect his game much)

-Rage doesnt last forever, and he could get BKB to prolong his magic immunity. but this one is really situational. personally i dont get BKB on Naix but i wouldnt disregard it completely.

-While using Blade Fury, you cant attack. and from mid game onwards, you deal more damage just by regularly attacking. so BKB is actually really viable on Yurnero.

Meepo and Illusion heroes should NOT get BKB. they should get Khadgar's Pipe of Insight.

BKB is also quite popular on heroes with channeling spells (Sand King, Nevermore, etc)

Invis heroes could use BKB for they wont be invisible WHILE attacking or casting spells. besides, dust/gem/wards/necronomicon makes invis useless so a BKB is a possible item.

Lich does NOT need BKB. Lich has 5 main purposes in a game:
-gank
-nuke (Chain Frost + Nova)
-ward
-cast Mekansm in team fights
-cast Frost Armor on allies
Getting BKB on him is a waste of money that couldve gone to better areas. A magic immune Lich isnt that scary (or useful since his cd isnt short enough), he'll still die to any DPS hero.

Krobelus could use a BKB to survive while her spells are causing chaos if her silence isnt enough (enemy heroes might come at varying times). Traxex could use a BKB as well for the same reason (altho both dont neccesarily always need it if they use their Silence properly).

most carries need a BKB (Troll without BKB can die easily to any balanced team. besides he has no disables to initiate or save himself with either. Void is a bit more fortunate for he has Time Walk, Backtrack, and Chronosphere to help him out)

Tiny generally has enough hp to tank that he wont need BKB. and he usually blinks in using dagger anyways so Tiny will generally be the one casting first.

Pudge is a tank, doesnt need BKB. besides, he'll usually be out of sight so it doesnt really matter.

Anti-mage with BKB is alright and understandable, but id rather spend that money elsewhere for him. getting BKB on him kind of makes it meaningless to have spell shield leveled up. going Hood/Pipe makes more sense imo.

Abaddon is a massive tank. he most definitely does NOT need BKB.


@Brian_bg
most of those heroes do NOT need BKB at all... getting BKB on heroes like Tide, Treant, Techies, Silencer, and Terrorblade is a complete waste of money.



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Posted on Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:27 am

I get a picture why tanks generally shouldn't get BkB.
I was looking at the skills and not the role in a team when I said only invi/clone heroes and heroes with AoE silence don't need BkB.

A number of times before I sacrificed 2nd vanguard for Axe so I could buy BkB first.Though I wasn't the primary "kill target" because I was supposed to be the tank hero,I bought a BkB anyway because of my "just-in-case" motto.But since late game is more on clashes,I imagine backline casters or carries do need BkB...like Zeus or Lich.
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Posted on Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:08 am

@Dohyun: Last time I checked, you CAN attack while in Blade Fury. Might be wrong though.

@topic: As mentioned before, almost every tank should avoid BKB. I'd rather not get BKb for heroes like Zeus though, waste of gold. Bloodstone + Guinsoo gives you enough HP IMO.
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Posted on Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:10 am

You can attack units not being affected by the DMG of bladefury, meaning you can *Fwap* towers while spinning creeps.

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Posted on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:04 pm

exactly. when you attack in bladefury, you deal 0 damage to units and heroes (but not structures). you can still proc things like bash and crits but you'll be dealing zero damage (asides from the bonus magical damage that occurs when you bash).

soooooo... it prevents you from dealing massive damage with your awesome attack + crits when youre magic immune with Blade Fury. hence, BKB is viable on him.
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Posted on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:13 pm

Well in my opinion i think most casters don't really need BKB as it would delay their disabling/blink items. Most carries would do well with BKB as they are the primary damage dealers during clashes and most of the heroes will be targeting them. However I've seen BKB being used efficiently on lina, lion etc. Depends on the situation really.

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Posted on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:16 pm

Well in my opinion i think most casters don't really need BKB as it would delay their disabling/blink items. Most carries would do well with BKB as they are the primary damage dealers during clashes and most of the heroes will be targeting them. However I've seen BKB being used efficiently on lina, lion etc. Depends on the situation really.

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Posted on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:42 pm

@dohyun99 I wrote those, who donw need bkb at all.. This is the topic. Heroes who dont need bkb.
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Posted on Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:47 am

@ hus-05

I'd agree with getting BkB on Lina but maybe not with Lion. ^_^

@ Brian_bg

Thanks for sharing your complete personal list of heroes who don't need BkB.

I compared it with mine where I consider both team role andindividual skill,shouldn't the following be excluded from your list? (those who need BkB)
*Ogre magi- backline caster,fragile,no reliable disable/escape skill
*Lich- backline caster,fragile,no reliable disable/escape skill
*Venomancer- carry,no reliable disable/escape skill
*Doombringer- semi-caster,no reliable disable/escape skill
*L.Revenant- carry,no reliable disable/escape skill
*Oblivion- caster,fragile,no reliable disable/escape skill
*Necrolyte- caster,fragile,no reliable disable/escape skill
*Warlock- caster,fragile,no reliable disable/escape skill

My updated list btw of those who don't need BkB
(invi,clone and AoE silence skills included as disable/escape skill)
*All tank heroes regardless of disable/escape skill
*All carry heroes with no reliable disable/escape skill
*All caster heroes with no reliable disable/escape skill

I felt like "oversimplifying" because I was quite getting mixed up myself LOL.
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Posted on Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:16 am



Umm... Ogre Magi isn't fragile. He has a str gain of +3.2... he also has a disable, which is always reliable for at least 1.5 seconds, often more.

Doombringer is a tank. End of story. The role of a tank is to take all the nukes, so BKB destroys his role in the game.

Like has already been said, Lich isn't threatening enough to need a BKB. In a team clash, Lich will not be the hero getting disabled most. In the time it takes for Lich to activate his BKB, he could have released his chain frost anyway, which is the majority of his task done. Also note that Lich has 2 slows, 1 of which can easily count as reliable.
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