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Strategies:Vengeful The Swapper Killer posted by _noob28_ on 2007-01-07 |
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Limit your discussions to Shendelzare Silkwood - The Vengeful Spirit.
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The best I have playd with 
Swap and swap, man I hate that.Lothar for an advise if you try to swap especially in 3v3 and up.
this is a exelent hero
buy desolator then use Terror->> hit a few times->> magic missile->> hit ->> (if running) swap->> magic missile->> hit==== DEAD 
Voted the best hero in Guinsoo's 5.84 version. this guy havent lost out at all. 325nuke. -6armour, 36% command aura, Swap would just be a bonus. This guy is just imba, get a desolater or EOS, you'll fucking kick ass. Stun, Hit, Swap, Hit Stun, Hit die. ; ) great hero. Tactical.
swap dwarfen ranger or any other ranged units into ur allies terrority and their screwed.
This char's good if you can harnest its truest potential. It's an ezy killer if you have a blinker (or some sorta teleporter ie. leap) on ur team. In the left and right lane, there's craters when only blinkers can enter. Get the blinker to enter it, swap with the blinker n then w8 until an enemy comes (one that wont b able 2 exit the well) n swap wif em.
Since ur long range atk atk n more atk.
u could probably get lothars so u can be invisible and then swap, this way u wont get screwed while the enemy heroes is screwed because hes in ur teams terroritory. if he trys to flee back, just use magic missile to stun him
partner yan c sven!! pwamis unstoppable cla try nyo swap stun godstrenght stun atak atak pag d kaya lothars
lothars is mainly used by mages/rangers just to flee(i think that guy above me was mockn me, but i dunno). one of the worst heroes in 2v2.
Extreme support, low cd... wat can i say, pair up with sven, first blood in 2mins, first tower in 3mins... 
hi i´m new i am going to make a strat for vengful 
i think
very helpful in team battles (5 on 5) and strong even in 1 on 1 battles!! in 1 on 1 battles i dont put swap early on, i just pump on magic missile and command aura then stats...
Buy Desolator and MKB and you are imba.
best allied with SK or Sven...
nice hero...
Once i played 2vs2 arem and i ramdomed her, my teammate got antimage. We were totally getting destroyed. But then he said i will blink into the trees and you swap with me and then swap with the enemy hero. It worked perfectly and we did it twice so they wer stuck and couldn't do anything. Any after that they called us fags and left.
i once saw a teammate dismantle a 3 man gank and she didnt have superior items she used missle on ulfsaar, and got sprouted so she swapped with sven, used terror on them, all missiled ulfsaar again she hada desolater so after attacking prophet and using her arcane ring she ran back to the tower which reduced ulfsaars hp to 50 so she ran and took him out with 1 atk and prophet tried to tele but she missiled him....again and finished him off then sven who has no atk speed or movement storm bolts her and activates gods strength so my friend uses terror and runs back past tower letting sven get almost totaled she atks him once for the finishing blow and a triple kill
i like the strat where she swaps a fleeing nemy especially into a tower so ur like a linebacker trying to stop her from getting to the endzone(fountain in this case) so u use missile to help finish him off so he cant get back to fountain 
atatack.
stun.
chase/attack swap.
stun.
kill
Hello Guys!!!!
Plss check my Strat... Tnx Guys... 
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hey just wondering can chicken use blink dagger if given mana....if so a 1v1 u can blink in the forest then swap wit the chicken...then swap wit the heroa quick win...and a frustrating 1 4 the person who it is used againt...lol try it
@wayekool
swap could only be used on heroes...
Omg! I havent tried it yet but i will test it against piss shit AI lol. I'll make a crow, fly it as far into the forest on top or bottom lane, swap with it and wait for hero. However i think u can only swap with heroes so it might not work, otherwise, i'll just buy a blink dagger with Vengeful myself and disarm the whole other team, hopefully b4 they buy blink or BoT or scroll.
cool hero :)
My item build for Vengeful are the ff:
1.)BoT
2.)Lothar's Edge
3.)Butterfly
4.)Stygian Desolation
5.)Heart of Tarrasque
6.)Buriza do Kyanon
so strong bcoz of his third skill wihich add to her damage and her first skill has a very high damage compared to others..
Posted by The.King.Drink
2007-05-11
Omg! I havent tried it yet but i will test it against piss shit AI lol. I'll make a crow, fly it as far into the forest on top or bottom lane, swap with it and wait for hero. However i think u can only swap with heroes so it might not work, otherwise, i'll just buy a blink dagger with Vengeful myself and disarm the whole other team, hopefully b4 they buy blink or BoT or scroll.
Venge can't use dagger of escape
1. BOT
2. Stygian
3. AC
4. Butterfly
5. Buriza
6. link/lothar
480 amplied damage with critical every two seconds.
GG
Great hero, but it's ultimate is completely useless. Give it the ult of razor and it would be invincible!
@ proelite
ur item build is over 25k gold, how do u intend to get that much gold? farm? u wont be able to farm 25k gold, kill heroes? her damage isnt high enough to kill many heroes, mainly support
I just love her...she is a good suporter and a very good hero killer....
@lupeman
Dreambuild
Stygian
AC
Linkens
maybe crysalis
would all the you can get in a real game.
good hero not to easy to kill in a one to one duel or in normal 2v2 or 2v1 fight
PS:and very very good hero :)
some1 near ur worldtree/icecrown, just swap them into ur fountain
ano bang magandang gamit diyan?? 
A cool trick that really works in games is get a friendly player to blink (dagger or skill) on this cliff area near the dragons on the sentinel side. Then swap with him. Then get your team mates to lure enemy heroes towards you, then you swap with them and they get stuck on the cliff for the whole game (unless they have blink or suicide). lol, i do it when we are getting owned, sad but awesome.
@superlube
-unstuck
not the whole game lmao
btw it is bugabusing and i would ban you for that.
why do you think icefrog made blink dagger unavailable for vengeful spirit?
buy domi if u want to survive
I have nevered tried to play this character but i will try now.Is it good?
I like Rylai Crestfall and Lina Inverse. 
I guest vengful is so mighty like sniper but traxex is the strongest in the dota 
theres no such thing as strongest hero in DotA, they r all balanced. there n00b friendly heroes like sniper, traxex, klinkz, razor, vengeful spirit, viper, most ranged heroes basically.
What should Vengeful buy first in leaguemode. And who is her best partner?
i agree with noob28,il go 4 desolator for her primary attack,not with the skadi though,you already have your stun and swap if a hero tries escaping..and lothar for preventive measures..coz you not only swap a hero into your team,but you'll be prone to your enemy aswell..so put a little brain in you b4 doing it..MKB,S&Y or cuirass will do the rest..speed and power! wil be your main objctive to itemize ds hero..a
DS & AC is very mportant to this hero to maximize its ability.. also bautterfly for speed and BK for damage heart and powertrades for best...
my items for vengeful are pt, lothars,desolator, 2basher,vangard 
haha! for me! she is perfect! haha!
can she beat razor the lightning thingy?
for a very quick advantage get command aura, stats, and wraiths until about level 7/8, then max out magic missile. The fast dmg gain will be great.
wouldnt it be a faster early push if u get both Terror and Command aura?
STOP GIVING SHIT COMMENTS , LEARNING COMMAND AURA AND TERROR?NO STUN U CAN GO HELL
deso on this girl is great! she is one of the best out there.
hi.....I,m a new member here and I cant actually use this hero prpoerly because I dont know how to make this hero how to make it a hero killer while supporting my teammates ... can somebody here teach me how to make this hero a complete supporter killer
ohh noooo... she gonna die
command aura and terror level 1-4
then pick up missile and swap at 5-6 for stun-swap ownage
go back to max command and terror for pushing
stun is largely unnecessary until you pick up swap
scratch what i just said, id say missile/terror now
My FAvoritE And first Hero to use..., Thanks For The STRat 
if u use this hero.. u must have guinsoo.. then try turn ur opponent into chicken and use magic missile..ur opponent will b chicken forever..lol!!!! then call pudge to eat it..ahahahaha.lol!!!!
i like venge
i like venge
fukin bitch dis hero is . bloody useless
The Ult of this hero is good, but not as good as ALCHEMIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who is imba
try PT, S&Y and buriza
Deso is the best orb 4 her
one of the corniest heroes in dota...
just use any hard hitting nuker against her...
she's just as soft as Luna
dis chicks random as...her attacks is lyk chucking her self at the dudes. looks funny
items for vengeful
1.deso
2. butterfly
3. B.O.T
4. Heart
5. Buriza
6. BKB(I use BKB when swapping instead of lothars edge)
PT or BoT
Deso
Butterfly
Buriza
Lothar
GG
with this guy you must use desi.
does this work:
-a blink heroe blinks between the trees
-vengful swaps position with him
-when another meele heroe comes you swap with him
for venge
1 pt
2 sny
3 butterfly...
4 lothar
thats all no need of other items..
game is over till then....
deso the best item 4 vengy
Fav Hero Build:
1. Shield/Circlet
2. Boots
3. Vanguard/Talisman
4. HoD
5. Buriza
My build:
Skills
01 Missile
02 Stats
03 Missile
04 Stats
05 Missile
06 Swap
07 Missile
08 Stats
09 Stats
10 Stats
11 Swap
12 Command Aura
13 Command Aura
14 Command Aura
15 Command Aura
16 Swap
17 Terror
18 Terror
19 Terror
20 Terror
21-25 Stats
The reason: stats early game give you more survivability, AND add dmg. But doesn't boost the creap dmg so u wont push to early. I use Terror for fast pushing and hero killing.
Swap>stun>(terror) Wack Wack Wack = enough to ruin anyones day.
Items:
chiken (optional)
2 bottles, and with the rest of the gold I buy Circlets.
Then I turn the Circlets into Wraithbands. Usualy I get 4-5 Wraithbands.
Then I go for Powerthreads.
The Wraithbands give you enough survivability and dmg to rush Butterfly.
After I get this I'm usualy allready Dominating, but for even faster killing I go for a Buriza.
Orb: well, most often I get Lifesteal, because -armour can also be gained by a Assault Cuirass. And Lifesteal is, imo, better than regen. On such a insane dps'er the life gain of lifesteal is much higher than of a HoT.
Edit in items build:
After 2-3 Wraithbands, I go for Theads.
THEN fill the rest up with more Wraitbands.
I love Vengeful Spirit! My build for her:
Power Treads
Battle Fury
Butterfly
Sange and Yasha
Wraith Band
and for the hell of it (if i can) HoT
The reason so:
Power Treads and Sange and Yasha: To increase her movement speed, good for clean getaways
Butterfly and Battle fury: 3 things; mana regen, maximum damage, increased attack speed^_^
Wraith Band: Something to get in the beginning of the game
HoT: If you own, you'll have enough to buy it^_^
Like I said... I love Vengeful^_^!
aw why do you need battle fury for vengefuL if you want damage go for buriza do kyanoh and if you want mana regen just by a ring of basilius. Do you even know if vengeful is a melee or ranged hero?. n00bling #76
Well, I get a Battle Fury cause it's cheaper than before. Besides, what's wrong with additional damage, health regen, and mana regen in one SIMPLE item? Buriza and RoB is just a waste of space for me. With me, all I care about for Venge is damage and attack speed. I can't have my opponents run away without a scratch. Another thing, I'm not a n00bling...I'm a care-free player^_^.
One more thing, so what if I get Venge a Battle Fury? Everyone has their own build for this character...and they all can own with their own build. By the way, I give props to all Venge players for the awesome builds and great strategies for this character.
RoB
mekansm
arcane ring
cuirass
support.. support.. support..
RoB
mekansm
arcane ring
cuirass
support.. support.. support..
battle fury,mekansm,buriza next thing we'll see: aghanim's for vs..this forum is officially doomed.
@ERIC
battlefury and mekansm and buriza arent bad items.
Mekansm is for support and are useful in some circumstances.
Buriza.: She has high dmg from Cmd Aura, buriza just amplifies it.
Battlefury: Good for her. I know range do not have splash damage, but the splash is just an extra. BF has no recipe and it gives extra damage and regen for free.
I usually get this items:
PT(strength)
Lothars (swap then lothars)
Butterfly
Vanguard
Helm of dominator
buriza
1st i wish they changed her attack. the fact that shes throwing herself to others just says gayy lol
2nd yeaa she can own but i wish she became a straight up hero killer than just a support
3rd (my suggestion just to make her more frighting) an ability to make her into a white meta version of terrorblades..that just me
build im working on
MoM and mecha for early game
later..bfly and deso imo opinion the only two main items she needs
she can be a straight up hero killer 
. just get lots of agility stats...
Battlefury?
just buy an eaglehorn and perseverence. only more expensive by 400 gold and grants more damage
Hmm.. The Magic Missile Is Hurt..
God like
BT
Eye of Skadi
Buriza
Items: PT, butterfly, deso, assault, buriza, MKB. high atk + minus armor = total ownage
magic missile is great and cool because its cold down is fast the fact that you could use it soon youve use it the strategy is stun/hit/swap/stun/hit and die enemy111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People saying Stun, and terror are wrong, terror doesnt really affect anyone too much. You better off getting command aura, but even better yet, Stats. Very low HP hero, and unless you bring potion of clarity your better of going Stun + Stats, what happens if you lane with 2 heros with DOTS, you'll die before you even get to base.
Listen NOOB, if you wanna go stats then go buy 6 Ironwood branches and pwn them all, else stfu.
Want to stay alive in a not so noobish way then buy RoR and 2 Flasks. This way if you are alone facing 2 opponents you will gain level 6 in about 5 minutes, then go to base power up a bit and start ganking or something, just don't level up stats OK NOOB????
omg this char own it is easy to use i use before i when i reach lvl 7 i own with it i swap follow by stun like that ouch
i really like shendelzare silkw00d! she is really cool! she was my starting her0 thats why she is my all time fav0rite.. a great team up w/ crixalis(sand king)...
