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Strategies:Bucci's Bombastic Visage posted by bucci on 2007-02-06The Necro'lic posted by shadowmastermk47 on 2006-10-29 |
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All I can give out are guingzoo, dagon and skadi.And maybe HoT.Visage rocks!!
yeah its like the GOD OF PUSH only second to the broodmother..mwahahahahaha
dude, he is the KING OF ALL THE PUSHERS his revenants rocks! but 4 me, he is not a hero killer! 
What do you mean not a hero killer?!?! He is THE hero killer imo. Best hero inte the game:D. He can kill, push, farm and support. I go desolater, BoT, mekansm, Buriza and own every time. Later i buy aegis and Raiper and have some fun:D.
What a fucking hero hard to kill someone. 
his ulti is only good for pushin midgame. i cant kill any hero with him
he is a good pusher and a good hero killer. You just need to grave chill the right guy and you'll own. you can take away 32% of someone's attack speed and add it to your own (imagine doing it to Naix or troll)
guinsoo mech dagger BOS and linken and dagon. ultimate hero killer aghanihm is optional. grave chill first count 15 seconds get ahead of the enemy and then guinsoo the dagon. dead. thats it. good for 1 on 1 battle. and 2 on 2. for 5 on 5 use revenants alot to push and additional damage. this build is almost unstapable in 1 on 1 battle. assurance 100%
this hero is a big headache to the melees 
i think u don't nee d tarrasqeu anymore... 
i know this guy is a good pusher but as good as death prophet?
maphack... hahaha... revenants are for anti GB in most of cases i see... scatter all ur buddies through out the map... specially at the river...
how to use this
Very cheap hero. Considered cheap even in league games.
Has great tanking ability
Grave chill slows you and lets him gain speed.
Has gargs to scout/attack/farm
The gargs are also immune to spells
great dmg reduction skill.
Great items would be: skadi/heart/aegis/radiance/mekanism (support allies) and dagon (for those who are desperate for kills).
THIS GUY NEEDS A DAMN NERF
heart+radiance=gg
farming earlygame is TOO EASY!!!
MID GAME/LATE FARMIN WITH REVENANTS TOO EASY!!
TOO HARD TO KILL!
TOO MUCH DPS!
visage harrases, farms, tanks, carries TOO well that he needs a nerf.
I don't know, i think that he is a GOOD pusher, not great or the best. The only reason I think this is b/c I think his reverants don't have enough range so they get hit first and die out quick. I do like how u can regen their health though I think if the range was going to be kept, maybe like 1 item slot may be able to work like the crows? He definitely can kill heroes if u r strategic and use grave chill at the right time. Grave Chill also great for escaping!! 
He is a great hero but so overlooked Revents can kill easily using cloak and soul assumption in combination u can deal alota damage grave chill can help u escape or set up a kill w/ ulti
one of my favorit!!!!! necrolick evrytime i use dis hero enimis licks my ass wahahaha!!!!!!!! nice build i never try using deso and necromicons!!!!!! try treds buriza ginso meka aegis hyper stone!!!! then try to kill roshan kapow easy as dat wahahaha!!!!!!!
Visage is one of the best heroes of DOTA, The items are the following ones:
- Power treads
- Vladimir
- Mekans
- Necomicon
- Asault Curiass
- Agaims Scepter
With these items, your revenants and your will be invincible seran, In the hands of an expert, this hero can kill 3 heroes simultaneously .......
He is very powerful.
MUJAJAJAJAJAJA........
Is one of my fauvorites heros
if use this hero 1 on 1 v viper who wins??
of cz viper!!!
wahh ulti gud for pushing makes extra creepz..
wow.. its awesome.. ganks don't really work well towards visage LOL... really hard to gank visage.. but does Soul Assumption and Deso stack with visage? they both orb effects..
Say both Ezalor and Visage both use ulti at same time and theres only 10 corpses... what happens? :D
just get him mad mana regen items and a meka its gg right there. i like to get him a necro book just to have more creatures, fun as hell. i got him a guinsoo, meka, necro, and bots(even though he's still slow in my opiniion). got a triple kill when axe, naix, and earthshaker tried to gank me. lolz
Hey HP Necro'lic is v low. Wht else can b bought 2 increase it strength. I hav played with it an its quite effective
Vanguard, HoT, Buckler, Bracer
Thnx a lot Mate for ur reply
OMG once again, HE IS THE BEST!! He kills heroes in a sec just don't use Soul Assumption and get Desolater right away. It usually takes 15 min (in -em) to get a desolater, Boots, Bassilus and Headress. He does extreme dmg using Grave Chill and the Revenants. He dosen't need any INT at all. Just stats after Grave Chill, Gravekeepers Cloak and Ulti. And a Mekasm for heal and armor and BoT to escape/push/defend/chase. Then a MKB for more DMG and Attack Speed. And last Buriza for even more dmg and crits. Try it out, i'll promise you it will own.
pwnage hero
ulti is great and grave chill is good for chases and kills love this hero
If i may ask, are revenants considered creeps?? I'm a doombringer user kasi and i'm curious..
Bruno, Soul assumption and Desolator r both orbs.
seriously can anyone tell me did they nerf Visage? like was his Grave Chill at lvl 4 onli 32% since the start of dota? anywhere can i look at the old data base of hero
Hero to hatd to play,bu he is a nice gay......
Wut he needs is Radiance, Heart, BoT, and Guisoo's then he rapes. if he gets another heart its probably GG. he really is an IMBA tank late game.
this si the 1st hero i godlike with
TheNotorius is right get radiance and 2 hearts and guinsoo then hes the ultimate tanker and killer
Does skadi orb effect get cancelled by soul assemption?
Yes, if soul assumption is activated then skadi orb effect get cancelled.
U must Smart in order to use orb effect items. I think the best orb effect to combine with visage is MoM...bcause u can shift the life steal with soul assumption. You must be get killing! Don't forget to use grave chill first^_^
-Learning to be visage master-
Just want to add that visage DOESN'T NEED good items in early-mid even late! He's good enough with his skills(With revenants, soul assmption=free demon edge) Just make him strong to be killed. Heart is useless! because all u need is regen and Hit points(strength doesn't add ur damage) Too expensive in real game to buy heart. U will get killed at least once before u get that item.
Just think what items to replace hearts^_^ Then u'll know that visage is one of the best hero.
visage is ranged thus skardi isnt an orb
Post 38 and 39 shows that the posters have a lot more to learn abt Visage. TheNotorious has provided all the ownage items Visage needs.
Yes, TheNotorious has provided all the ownage items but not the items which visage' needs. Can u get those all in a real game? How strong your enemy?
If your enemies quite strong i think u cannot get those items all...
The total cost of sacred+heart+BoT+ Guinzoo is around 18025 Gold
When u are planning to get sacred relic to build radiance, your hp is too low..easy to be killed...and the enemies will not allow u to get the next item namely heart. I was practiced to build radiance first. Sometimes it works, but many fails, even for the next.
I will not post my strategy here.
But i'll give u clue, buy 2vanguard first...next visage still weak if u attack with magic so u must buy...^_^
Then buy item to increase ur speed kill..
I still make some other alternatives recipes for visage ..
Lifesteal orb is useless for visage and all orb-walking heroes. Did you know that?
Yes I know hearts/radiance is expensive but visage is a farmer hero. If he doesn't get those he's useless. If he gets those then he IS the IMBA tank.
Yes i know that life steal is an orb effect item but u can replace it with soul assumption. So, u get +75%AS with +36 damage. It's more powerful, then if u use grave chill, his attack speed become 32%+75%=107% more faster than usual.How about ur revenants? add ur damage right?
This will let u frenzy..
I choose 2 vanguard because heart' strength doesn't add visage damage. this is what i say useless. Coz u need only more HP and regen. , another item can replace that...
Getting heart is quite high risk than vanguard right?
You're not wrong to get radiance but not in an early game...visage need more hp.
Let's see:
Okay u get heart, but the strength hero get heart too right? More damage than u he's more strong i think..
And u? only get heart which doesn't improve ur damage. Heart is 5500
2 vanguard around 4500.
Safe 1000 to buy MoM / defiance to increase regen or other items.
Let's share together^_^
Sharing knowledge is power..
If hearts don't add damage, I don't see why u shd get since vanguard also doesn't add damage. Yeah i know vanguard is cheap but hearts give 4x the hp. Surely you won't buy 4 vanguards right? Not enough hp = no gravekeeper's cloak abuse = useless Visage.
If you add a lifesteal orb he's even more useless cos you can't manual cast assumption = no orb walk = cannot avoid creep/tower aggro when hunting for heroes. There's more to Visage than just grave chill and bats.
Yeah u're right..i won't buy 4 vanguard and taras gives 4x hp...
Hmm..maybe i'm wrong but i don't know why i can win in many games with this item build..(early-mid=2vanguard + MoM -> late=Guinzo or radiance or buriza)
Hmm...about gravekeeper's cloak, i'm using MoM to increase it's damage.
MoM make ur visage+20%damage taken..
So ur gravekeeper's cloak more powerful..
When i use visage, i usually autocast Soul Assumption if i want to battle with heroes. First activate grave chill, Auto cast soul assumption then activate MoM.
When battle with creep, just use normal attack to lifesteal..
Oh yeah how about this build(in order) in EARLY-MID game?(lvl 1-15)
1.point booster
2.vitality booster
3.MoM
4.Ring of regeneration
5.vitality booster
6.energy booster
GET SOULBOOSTER
7.void stone
GET REDEMPTION
I think visage need this to change
2 vanguard or taras..
Try this cool build 4 Visage:
1.Assault cuirass
2.Desolator
3.Soul Booster
4.Linken's
5.Boots of Travel
6.Guinsoo Scythe of Vyse
Assault and desolator really bring armor down by some -11 getting more damage for your Grave chill and Revenants to work on.
If target escapes use guinsoo;a sureshot kill 4 u
No..not cuirass first and deso second..
because:
-Visage hp is very low...
-Those items are expensive around 10.000
Just build 1 or 2 vanguard first..
then MoM..Killing frenzy..
This is the only hero im confused when doing a build. I tried MoM... it sucks
Assault Cuirass and Meka are the only perma items for him...
There isn't really a correct build for this guy! Yeah his skills rock! his Stat+ is high... but when it comes to what item youll put into him... youll get really confused 
During an average game, this usually happens.
Two Rings of Regen (then convert to Hood of Defiance to be good against spellcasters)
Tango if playing with EM
Chicken
Boots of Speed
Bracer
Ring of Basilus (Apart from Bracers there is no increased mana regen, will rely on the armour aura quite heavily in early-mid game)
Stout Shield
Headdress of Rejuv (Mekansm is purely optional)
Vanguard
At early game, you should worry more about surviving then pushing, let the revenants do all your work for you.
Basic and Cheap Build that increase survivibility
Boots of Speed
Hood of Defiance
Bracer
Vanguard
Headress or Mekansm
Ring of Basillus
Owning items
Boots of Travel
Hood of Defiance
Vanguard
Guinsoo
Radiance or Assault (I don't like Assault Curiass that much, its too expensive)
Heart of Tarresque
This is probably the worst hero for me!
Short game/Low farm:
* BoS
* Basilius
* Mek
* MoM
* Dagon
* ...
Average game:
* BoT
* MoM
* Basilius
* Mek
* Blademail (3+ melee heroes)
* Vanguard (0-2 melee heroes)
* ...
Ownage Visage Game (and i use and prove it):
* BoT
* MoM
* Skadi (not an orb)
* Guinsoo
* Radiance
* Buriza
Trust in my command. It works if ur 1337.
Good skill build is usually lvl 1 orb for harassing heroes, max out grave chill and cloak, ulti at lvls 6, 11, 16. Then either get stats or some more of the orb. I usually go for the stats and get SA orb at 22. But if u get the orb first, then it's a good last hit and health regain, esp if u're already lifestealing most of a creep's health, then u finish it off for 40hp.
hope this all makes sense.
all you really need is:
vladamir's Offering
Refresher
and with the proper team you can OWN the opp team
Soul Assumption--> Raise Revanents--> Refresh---->Grave Chill if there not dead 
WTF you need the Refresher for? 
i like visage especialy his irritating revenants
I totally forgot about this hero in dota lololz just becuz no one i see in dotA EVER uses him idk y... lolz hes so dam good after i got done reading this I was like omg i can rape ppl wit this guy even tho i'm practlyy only good with agi heros and intel, lolz wait? he is an intel haha o well, and i had an arem game with SA and scored= final was 37-1 lolz, that death was before i got perma invis, tiny and techies too lolz make it worse hahahaha
visage is a powerful shit! 
Well, it's kinda hard at start and it's hard to kill heroes with. But with proper equips, it will be a non stop killing machine!!
necrolic is the weakest
50 mana for a 800 hp 49 dmg spell imune thing gayyyyyy
Visage is awesome
PT (Intel)
MKB
2 bracers or Heart
Guinsoo
Assault
and you kill heroes in less then 10 secs
cmon pipz..can any1 tell me how can dis stupid visage can kill.yeh i can push a wave of creeps up to the second tower in 10 mins..but i cant get a kill
Yes... Um I just started playing Defense of the Ancients. And my friends invited me to play down at this Local Area Netwoork Center; and I was planning on using this hero. It would be kind if some one would print me a build for this hero. ◄gank►☺
Oh yes and pooch this is how you kill with him... Get PT (Intel) and an MKB really fast. Then anticipate them, like go ahead before attacking hopefully they dont have a stun. Send Revenants directly at enemy hero then you anticipate like go in front of him while he is fighting then Chill him then just auto-fire Soul Asumption (hopefully level four). Just thn your MKB will kick in and pwn upon. ◄gank►☺
But I still need a full build plz... That works.
Still no reply's... If some one will tell me a good build I will tell them how to kill people with him.
the worst
Soul Assumption is much much better in 6.50.
Hm...the new Gravekeeper's Cloak looks even more imba than it used to be...any thoughts?
BoT
EoS
Orchid
Buriza
@jpaulusmr
@galatasaray
I think not the weakest or the worst...
with new changes in 6.50, he will be the best of all with the right build...
don't underestimate visage...
Yeah my Visage is reborn!
Eh. Even with the change to Gravekeeper's Cloak, Visage fodder for most heroes.
Note: Soul Assumption has changed in 6.50b
Who said this is bad hero is haven't played him seriously before...
This is the best pusher, a killer, support, etc!
Buy a treads INT/AGI, mekans, guinsoo, skadi, cuirass, maybe HoT...
OWNING!!!!
I Kinda Dun understand his third skill, does it heal Visage too????
What is the new Soul Assuption description?
Soul Assumption was changed in the newer versions. Each enemy unit that dies in a 625AOE heals him for 16HP and give 6 bonus damage for 30seconds. Stacks a total of 16x!!! That's 256 health and 92 damage! And you get it faster if you're going against other heroes that spawn extra creeps like Furion and Broodmother. Also, it stacks with lifesteal, so a Satanic/Radiance combo sounds pretty awesome now. I kinda liked him before, but he's my new favorite now.
Soul Assumption was changed in the newer versions. Each enemy unit that dies in a 625AOE heals him for 16HP and give 6 bonus damage for 30seconds. Stacks a total of 16x!!! That's 256 health and 92 damage! And you get it faster if you're going against other heroes that spawn extra creeps like Furion and Broodmother. Also, it stacks with lifesteal, so a Satanic/Radiance combo sounds pretty awesome now. I kinda liked him before, but he's my new favorite now.
This guy is my new favorite now that soul assumptions owns and isn't an autocast. Here's the build I've been going for:
1)Power Treads - makes chasing and killing easier
2)Helm of the Dominator - Convert a dark troll and you'll be massing creeps like the zerg.
3)Orchid Malevolence - 15% extra damage for you and your bountiful creeps. Silence is just a bonus.
4)Radiance - Kill everything, thus, more from soul assumption.
after that, I've tried finishing a Skadi, but games weren't long enough
who can kill this hero? how?
Axe can kill this hero pretty easily with Counter Helix, and all it takes is a Vangaurd to make the Revenants useless for hero killing purposes. They still own at farming though.
and to answer micciko, the Cloak does not damage the attacker or heal Visage. It simply makes Visage take 25% less damage and uses that amount to heal his allies.
and to answer micciko, the Cloak does not damage the attacker or heal Visage. It simply makes Visage take 25% less damage and uses that amount to heal his allies.
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hmmm... i seldom use his revenents to kill.. revenants i use as map hack. hahaha.. great for team play.. ur enemies cannot go jungling.. and they cant gb any of ur team matess. 7 revenents? lolz.. they have quite a sight of range.. see very far.. with graev chill.. even barathum cannot chase you.. hahahaha.. with the new soul asumtion, u wont need damaging items..
ever tried this build?
1. BoT
2. Eos
3. SnY
just have this 3 items.. cast grave chill.. u will have 522 mspd.. No way to run!
owh.... 1 more thing... with grave chill, eos and maim... EXTRA SLOW mspd... and EXTRA SLOW aspd... belive me... it works wonders....
Is buriza-do good to this hero? jUz askiN`??
@frOzEntraxex
No, i have tried...it's better MKB than Buriza...(Ex:Bash from MKB more often than Critical from Buriza)
is the gravekeeper's cloak also heals you???
Treads
Orchid
Mekanism
EoS
MKB
...man u guyz dnt knw how strong ds guy iz... mecha, bacilus, treads 4 d early game and hes a hero killer, scadi and shiva then he'l be immortal... jus use grave chill and use all revenants with u 2 atack the hero and instant pwnage... since soul assumtion is passive now... im undefeated with this hero...
rock n' roll!!!
@ mods: PLEASE UPDATE THIS HERO!
Very good hero
the revenants is really good
My build:
Bot
Dagon
Guinsoo
Shivas Guard
anything u want
anything u want too...
I change my mind
My New Build:
Bot/PT
Dagon
Mekansm
Guinsoo
MKB
Anything U like
Most people put intel items on him but i like to tank with Visage try this build it may seem simple but u can take a whole team beating on u for a while with it u dont need the blade mails unless theres 3 or more melee on the other team or someone decides to try and permanstun
or axe gets fed his will own him and his team
2 Vanguards
helm of dom
treads
2 blademails
substitute bkb or orchid if blade mails arent needed
oh yeah everyone in these post always says HoT and skadi why not satanitc and skadi just wondering if thats build ur gonna use
After all these amazing builds I just read ,here comes my super-amazing one:
1)4 vanguards
2)2 HoT
3)EoS
4)Butterfly
5)Dagon
6)Aghanims
7)2 Javelins
8)HoD
9)Hood of defiance
10)2 radiances
11) maelstrom
12)ring of regeneration..........IMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
After all these amazing builds I just read ,here comes my super-amazing one:
1)4 vanguards
2)2 HoT
3)EoS
4)Butterfly
5)Dagon
6)Aghanims
7)2 Javelins
8)HoD
9)Hood of defiance
10)2 radiances
11) maelstrom
12)ring of regeneration..........IMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
officially the most nerfed hero to the point of stupidity. Old gravekeepers was at least kinda fun to stack hearts and blademails, new one is just pathetic. Necrolic has no obvious signature skills and nothin noteworthy about him anymore.
Please un-nerf this character so at least 1 in 1000 people will pick him in -ap like they used to
nahh u wana kno how 2 ulti? keep the bats at rosh and ks rosh when sent's try 2 kill him
nahh u wana kno how 2 ulti? keep the bats at rosh and ks rosh when sent's try 2 kill him
Visage+Power Treads+S&Y=OWNAGE
This is my build, please comment!
Power Treads - Walk/attack faster
Stygian Desolator - Good and solid orb effect
Mekansm - HP and Armor buff to Bats
Heart of Tarrasque - Hp
Assault Cuirass - Tank armor
Necronomicon (Upgrade it 3 times) - Support DPS/Bats
(Heart of Tarrasque - sell Stygian Desolator if enough cash and time)
shit
I just recently discovered how awsome this hero is! You just need to summon revenants, and let them die. That increases your dmg, and retores health. Tou can have +100 dmg on lvl 7 with his second skill. And revenants are soooo imba. You can use mekansm, and RoB to power them even more. AC too. I can kill a hero in 10 sec with this guy. Yestrday, i had wicked sick on lvl 7. Lol.
