Nevermore - The Shadow Fiend

My favorite hero and really easy to kill if not careful. He's all offense, and won't give you a chance to stop his soul raping bussiness. Kill him in the early game, or else... You're TOAST!!

Butterfly,Desolator and Dagger of escape!!wat else???

you can also try lothar's edge S&Y and eye of skadi

Shadowraze needs to be updated - only costs 75 mana at all levels, and one of the deadliest nukes early game if used properly.

butterfly, dagger of escape, lothars edge, powertreads, guinsoo and dagon. basic items, will keep u alive and kill some, but not necessary the most pro build but its cheap and works effectively.

See how well you can farm this (he is the ultimate farmer): Treads, Lothar, EoS, Buriza, Butterfly. Deso if the game goes well over 1 hour.

Nix deso - it doesn't stack with skadi, to my chagrin...

how to to use this please teach me how i'm begging to all of you teach me

u need to deny a lot to prevent this guy from 1. lvln, 2. collect souls 3. cast his ulti effectively. if my calculation is correct, he can store up to 30 souls, meanin his ulti will hurt like hell. of course the souls target the creeps first

Great with Styg or Life leech. Awesome dmg. An ideal dmg hero. Good for new players and intermediate ones.

how come nevermore's icon is not firelord's and instead this shade???

My favorite Hero... Combined with new item called Assault Cuirass makes him go BEYOND GODLIKE !!!

how to defeat him ...he is one of most destructive hero in dota ... ?? i need help to defeat him !!!

@ kill_me_now. Deny as much as possible, early, mid and late game.

put this guy with beastmaster n it hurt lyk shit... beastmaster roar n attack while tis guy hurl its attack at him...

put this guy with beastmaster n it hurt lyk shit... beastmaster roar n attack while tis guy hurl its attack at him...

this guy good at ks.... he suxs.... his ulti hurt

once tis guy died during the middle off the game he is useless.. cos he damage is halved...

he can easily be powerful again by killin neutrals and farmin some enemy creeps in like a minute

I need to know what specific items would be great for nevermore.plz help me.

Hahaha this guy is just imba! To those people who dont appreciate d power of nevermore use it and youll understand

@kleecksx: Just buy him:
1. Power Treads
2. Sange & Yasha
3. Buriza-do Kyanon
4. Butterfly
5. Lothar`s Edge
6. ????????????? (Maybe Assault Cuirass or Linken`s Sphere)

hmm....this hero is my favourite too, so i thought he needs Arcaine ring for early game .... it more usefull and important than power tread or S&Y....

hey Cronos
just temme wat does requiem of souls does??
i had tried it recently and i saw tht nothin happened........

Can someone describe specifically how lothars edge can be used by this guy?

question about shadowraze by using 1 of them does it put all 3 in cooldown or can u use them in rapid succesion and with requiem of souls does it get rid of the captured souls after u use it? desolater and presence of the dark lord will work together quite nicely

Why would you get shadowraze so late into the game? Not to mention I personally prefer lothars over blink dagger.

nevermore would look so much cooler in his original fire lord skin than in this black form

who suggested shadowraze at late game? its great for farmin with arcane ring and its a waste not to use ur mana in the beginnin.

im unstoppable with him MEGA KILL! streak on 2nd game lothars is a must to escape and sneak atk, stygian desolater and presence of the dark lord work together quite nicely, radiance helps somewhat especially late game regaining souls after u die is sooooo easy blink dagger is good to change ur position so u can hit them with a different distance shadow raze. shadow raze is 75 mana at all levels so arcane is kinda useless...

This heroe is all about DPS and farming. Two maxed shadow razes take a wave of creeps down! And, if u hit a heroe qith the three shadowrazes you deal 900 damage! (without reduction).
Anyway, this heroe needs stygian, lothars or blink dagger,BKB or linkens, satanic, treads and buriza.

He's an offensive - type hero. His damage is his main asset and strength plus his deadly skills he has.

My build for NeverMore are the ff:

1.Boots of Travel

2.Lothar's Edge

3.The Butterfly

4.Stygian Desolation

5.Buriza do Kyanon

6.Monkey King Bar

@ droperivas. im pretty sure usin one of the shadowrazes turns it into cooldown

This heros build is easy.

Core items-

1. Treads/BOT
2. Stygian -6 armor
3. Assault Cuirass -5 armor

Comment: That's -15 armor total combined with your passive skill

Optional items:
4. Butterfly
5. Buriza
6. EOS
7. Lothar's Edge
8. MKB
9. Linken's sphere
10. Blink Dagger

Comment: This hero has a very flexible build for AGI.

IN ADDITION:

EOS stackes with Stygian, because RANGED EOS is not an orb effect. Get this straight people.

Each shadowraze has a seperate cooldown... and i tried EOS with a stygian and it didn't look like EOS worked

@proelite: Get this in your head

to explain why EoS and deso dont stack:

the general rule:
1.orb effects dont stack
2.you can only have one buff placer in per attack.

EoS ranged is not an orb effect, but it is a buff placer. deso is orb, also a buff placer. both are buff placers so they dont stack

same goes for veno's poison sting
poison sting = not orb effect but buff placer
deso = orb effect and buff placer
hence poison sting and deso wont stack

i think i should not post this here but...

SnY = orb effect, maim is buff
poison sting = not orb effect, buff placers

SnY and poison sting stacks like this:
when maim triggers, no poison attack. else, you'll have poison attack
so there is 10% chance to maim in every attack

GO to dotaportal.com for you to better understand orb effects

Tourney Build for meh:
1)Treads
2)Desolator
3)Lothars
4)vanguard
5)Crystalys (Buriza if the games not over)
6)lol i usually carry TP

Each shadowraze has a separate cooldown!

@phyro_23:

Thanks for the tips.

I guess a good build then would be-

1. Powertreads/BOT
2. Stygian
3. Assault Cuirass
4. Buriza
5. Butterfly/ MKB /Lothars
6. HOT/ Linkens/ Vanguard/ Bloodstone

The armor penalty combo really works in mp, -15 armor is like a 50% damage increase against strength/intelligence heroes.

imb0r....when ur enemys still have like 50 dmg, nevermore has like 100 dmg coz of necromastery.....

Radience + Skadi = G_G

lupe stop posting ur noob
shadow raze is independent meaning any pro and dish 900 dmg at u if u decide to run
also he is one of the best deny/last hitters due to high damage

excuse me everybody - i just used nevermore and he was the hero with the highest basic dmg ever!


But I don understand how shadowraze and requeim of souls work.... is shadowraze an aoe attack, attk in a straight line or what? all i remember is seeing a coloured hole appear when i used it...

and what about requiem of souls??????
i used it and nothing happened.... or so i think. no animation whatsoever..

PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!!!

@pearboy11

question 1: yea its an aoe skill that goes in a straight line before you.

question 2: you should have seem like a circle of ghosts flying a way from you. if an your opponent gets hits by the ghost he takes damage, but if you a clsor to him usually more ghosts hit them so they take more damage.

Does necromastery take effect if you kill neutral creeps?

@gellato
yes if u die then go kill some neutrals
@pearboy11
highest base damage ever? tiny has better
requiem of souls deals damage and slows very well
shadowraze owns early game
u have 3 nukes in 1

whos stupid enough to run away when they r on low health, shadowraze will kill them. unless ur good at dodgin and maneuvering around the map to avoid his shadowraze.
the damage gained from necromastery doesnt really count as base damage cos u can lose it.

treads
bottle
dagger
eos

COULD ANYONE TELL ME THAT IF I GOSE FOR FARMING WITH THIS HERO AND NEVER USE MY ULTIMATE AND KILLS SAY 100 CREEPS WITHOUT DYING, WHAT WILL MY ULTIMATE'S DAMAGE?
IN 5 ON 5 IF HAVING GOOD TANKERS COMBOS
1. POSER TREDS
2. BUTTERFLY
3. DESOLATER
4. MKB
5. BURIZA
6. ASSULT
JUST FOR DAMAGE
125+60+60+65+75+75=460 REDUCES ARMER OF AN HERO BY 6+4+5=15
AND IF IN ALLIES SLADER IS THERE THEN ARMER REDUCTION WILL +15 THAT MEANS ATTACK A HERO HAVING -30 ARMER. CAN U TELL ME HOW MUCH TIME IT WILL TAKE TO FINISH IT OFF.

CORRECT! Lifesteal with him owns! anyway. whats a sheep stick and imba? forum noob :)

sheep stick = Hex
Imba = imbalance

who the hell writes these strat guides.... dudes item build has like 4 orbs, tells you not to get shadowraze till last....... newbish

who the hell writes these strat guides.... dudes item build has like 4 orbs, tells you not to get shadowraze till last....... newbish

what hero can kill this hero?

There are many actually but let's say Barathrum

rikimaru could. backstab makes shadowraze useless.

@lupeman
Rikimaru isn't that hard to kill with nevermore. He used his cloud and backstabbed, i took a few steps out of it, turned, close shadowraze, he ran and went invisible, but i shadowrazed and killed him while he was invisible.

u can be killed bye rikki only if u are newb ppl...me whit sf always kill rikki,rikki player are soo greedy thay cloud u has low hp then hes greed jump on u,u ulty and shadowfreez "z" 200 aoe
and hes dead...

what a stuped item build u post,he DONT NEED POWER TREADS,GO BOOTS OFF TRAVEL for imba farming get dagger for ur ulty and ganking,then decide if thay are nukers go skadi,if thay have no stuns go mkb,satanic
buriza mb buter or ac...but sometimes u must be fat basikly u are early game caster whit imba farm if u get raped in mid,go get botle as always me try gank if u cant,go forest and tp to lane,u can kill whole forest in 1,30 min farm lane 1 min and back farm again forest,u can get in 30 min game bazooookas,,,!!! :)) imba hero mine favorite cuz u go solo mid get fast lvl 9,u will have bot or dagger whit botle till then u will have 60bonus dmg,and u just go gank araund map get double killz and get imba ;))shadofreez make him imba

and yeah he can be counterd whit swen easlyu,swen pwnz his imba ass,he can be counterd whit stun cuz he has very low hp and armor!and hes armor takes extra dmg from magic

rikimaru and nevermore can kill each other. agreed?
rikimarus blink strike can make him evade the ulti as the ulti has casting time. mustve been a pretty n00b rikimaru to run in line of the shadowraze, thats 900 damage. hes a low hp hero. shouldve just blink out of it, run out the sidelines or blink back to nevermore, invis, backstab again

i always use:

BoT
Linken
Tarrasque
Desolator
Assault Cuirass
Buriza

this hero is made for damage
-15 armour

Try to build this:
1. Desolator
2. Vanguard
3. Radiance
4. Power threads
5. Buriza de Kyanon
6. Anything you like

First build Ring of Basilius for mana regen and build Desolator a soon as possible for it will bring much damage to your enemies.Then build Vanguard. Then build Radiance, Power threads, Buriza. I tell you this build is strong..

1 power threads
2 stygian desolator
3 assault cuirass
4 kelen's dagger
5 (vanguard,linkin's sphere)
6 (butterfly,MKB,Mjollnirs)

i go for this items and youll be the perfect killing machine...

Meh... Don't matter to me. Battled a Nevermore with Fuzzy Wuzzy and I pwned him easily.

gynsoo will kill him... for sure

Guys i've just started with NEVERMORE. In order to you have to do:

-Power Threads
-Wraith Band (optional)
-Lothar's Edge
-Mjollnir
-Butterfly (if you want)

It becomes "perfect"

Guys i've just started with NEVERMORE. In order to you have to do:

-Power Threads
-Wraith Band (optional)
-Lothar's Edge
-Mjollnir
-Butterfly (if you want)

It becomes "perfect"

You guys should try this one... nevermore will surely get a Beyond Godlike if your good enough to use him with these items and those skills...

1.BoT

2.Deso

3.Assult C.

4.Lothar's E.

5.Buriza-do kyanon

6.MKB

This heros core Build is DEFINETLY

1.Travels
2.Deso
3.Assualt
4.Butterfly
5.Lothars (Desperatly need this for escape)
6.Buriza

Lothars is the bst item for this hero inordr for him to use his ulti.. I like shadowkraze fast cooldown and 300 dmg..

Perfect item for him... Even my enemy has 4k HP and w/ divine... I even Defeat him... 795 crit..

1.Treads
2.Lothars (very important)
3.MoM (nevermore w/ redswords)hehe!!
4.Butterfly
5.Buriza
6.Cuirass

yeah i've tried many builds with nevermore but what i found the best when it comes to surviving was

1.Treads (agi)
2.Armlet of Mordiggian
3.SnY
4.Assault
5.Butterfly
6.Buriza or MKB

just activate your armlet when beginning a gank or when your low on hp

My item is
desolator
lothars
butterfly
radince
assault
and dagger youre be unsttopple

oi ung number 77 funny ka dota na lang .
pati ung number 3 funny

please tellmme about his ulti,im 150% not understand,,
"each spirits dealing 160 dm"
is it mean that,never's 2nd skill restored 30 souls,than 30x160=4800 dm?
is that correct?

aahhh please explain it to me..
i begging u,,,

My best build to NEVERMORE!
-Satanic
-Treads
-Butterfly
-Dagger
ITS the best! TRY it..

weak kayong lahat!! maslalo na IKAW!!! ??????????????????????????????????????

What's better, Skadi or Satanic?
Answer plzzz...

Para lalaki ang Life at mana nyo gamitin nyo aghanims!!! weeeeeeeee!!!!!!!! joke lng!!

Para lalaki ang Life at mana nyo gamitin nyo aghanims!!! weeeeeeeee!!!!!!!! joke lng!!

aghanems scepter is good for nevermore
you will
have of unlimited mana!

My fav hero, my build:
treads, blademail (just for armor purposes), deso, skadi (since ranged it'll stack with deso), butterfly, and buriza!!! tat's ownage
BUT lot's of gold (u shud kill a lot so gold much not of prob)

use BKB daGGer BOOTs of TrAvel SNY or satanic!
that will do it!

Lothars
Desolator
Assault
HoT
BoT
Buttefly

i love nevermore's 2nd skill..!!try skadi with mjollinir..!

try him with lothar's edge and dagger of escape for he is very easy to kill..

What is with this BoT nonsense? nevermore has insane base speed, so if you're considering BoT for the incresed speed, forget it. you're at what, 365 with treads? that's insane. treads are a poor man's assault. i go some bracers early, work for treads and get a few hammers, finish deso, finish treads (agi). i then enjoy a 5-6 kill streak. then i work for lothars. SnY is pointless. if you need hp, work for a van, or if you want to neutral for a while, pick up a HoT. at this point, you have decent damage and good life. towards late game, if you're having trouble, build for an mkb, because the components are cheap, (1400 1400 2600), and if you die, you may still be able to scratch out a jav or two. if you're doing really well, i go for an eagle then bfly, for the ias, evasion, and awesome damage. if the game is still goin on at this point, you're doing something wrong. go buriza.

5 steps to kill:
1.) kill 30 units
2.) pop out at enemies as closest as you can
3.)Cast the Most Destructive Ulti(even lvl 1 ulti can instantly kill 30X80=2400!)
4.)If still alive use the deadly (Z)(X)(C) COMBO meal!
5.)Hear The Beyond Godlike! someone kill him! (except you dont have any sound outlet )

he´s so funny!!
all you need is lothars edge:
just activate windwalk and then walk next to your opponent and activate requiem

hi.!!
I like that hero..
Hehehe

-power treads
-lothar´s edge
-satanic
-butterfly
-eye of skadi

wahahaha nevermore's Necromancy RockS!!
Great combo w/ magnus. dagger reverse then requim triple kill!!!!

My build:

Bracer
Arcane
Treads
Lothar's
HoD
Butterfly

HoD = Helm of Dominator

lothar, buriza, desolator, butterfly, hearth of tarsque, cuiras
best build for him, but almost unreachable in normal game

@Fairlady

I think HoD is Hood of Defiance

this hero is awesome n0body can out harrased the shadow fiend even viper is to nevermore haha

this is a good guide i was just playing yesterday and i change the guide a bit
u need shadowraze, so lvl 2, 10, 13, and 14 stats lasts.
the only thing i found weird were the three orb effects but some of items gave me + 198 damage at lvl 19.
i give this 8 out of 10.

good work

lvl one ulti does NOT deal 2400.
assume that u get lvl 3 necromastery.
46 souls x80 damage = 3680
then divide that by 9 (it shoots out in a 360 degree and u can physically see 9 souls coming out)

3680/9 = 408.8 damage, give or take 100 (depends on how close ur standing next to the other guy).
with lvl 2 shadowraze effectively timed. it deals a combined damage of 850 dmage. of course i dont get ulti as soon as possible as no one is stupid enough to stand right next to u early game.

@lupeman

i don't know about your calculation, i'm not sure if there is any way to know for sure, because i've ulted (lvl 3) while lothared right next to a level 13 yunero, with a mediocre build, and brought him down to enough life to one shot him with one shadowraze (z), so, i think it did between 900-1100 damage point blank. maybe you want to recalculate that...

4 me i build dis hero wid dis items:

- HoD
- Power threads
- BkB
- Deso
- Buriza
- ButerFly


i recomend those items 4 instant killing and 4 fair HP...


wen u are using Requim of Souls u must activate first da BkB so ur RoS can't be cancelled but wen u have ur team mate let them come first then used BkB and use ur ulti 4 the kill wen ur enemy has half health only kill wid physical attack because u have deso and butterfly...

tnx i hope dis is a gud but short guide

I don't think i did nevermore enough justice, i mean, i personally think he is the BEST hero for beginner-intermediate-competent players, especailly against beginners who don't know to run away from his ult (pub players)
here's exactly what i go
to start: gauntlet, slipper, circlet, flask
then either finish bracer and band and work/finish treads
then work on lothars (about 5k?)
then you'll have +111 damage, so farm/gank up to level 16
...

@ dither

60 souls x160 damage = 9600
then divide that by 9 (it shoots out in a 360 degree and u can physically see 9 souls coming out)

9600/9 = 1066.6 damage, give or take 100 (depends on how close ur standing next to the other guy).

damn it

your all stupid

there are only 30 souls inside nevermore
each souls has 2 bonus damage each!!!!

160x30= 4800 damage depends on how close the opponent is

enigma
is a good ally for him,
pulse,
black hole
and then requiem of souls!!!
TRIPLE KILL!!!
TRIPLE KILL!!!
TRIPLE KILL!!!
it is very possible you know...

i use dis hero once... i spam his first skill 4 collecting souls nd 4 money but first u must build defiance nd basilius so u have regen 4 hp nd mana... i build loathars so dey cant see me wen using my ulti...

Items: Ptreads (durrr), Desolator, Lothar's, Bfly/Assault Cuirass, Buriza

Desolator stacks with Presence (-10 armor) for extreme damage quickly, Lothar's allows you to sneak up and do your ulti without having to get hit while casting, Bfly is just more damage and speed (especially when stacked with Deso), Assault Cuirass is great for both survivability and damage (with deso brings the aura to -15 armor) also adds attack speed (Bfly and AC are both important but order isn't)

first item for nevermore is LE

waaaa LE ung pinaka magndang item pra kay nevermore pra magamit nya ang kanyang ulti skill na patago at pra mka lapit pra mas mlkas ang damage

WELL THE ITEMS THAT GOT ME 5 BEYONG OGDLIKES WERE:

Assault Cuirass
MkB
Butterfly
Stygian Desolater
Lothars Edge
Brzui- (the 1 which adds 70 damage and gives crits)

give this baby a go i had like way over 300 damage and i was raping tanks like centaur and axe by coming out of lothars and 5 hitting them r0flmao!

the strategy if his your opponent is deny deny deny creeps

just give him stuff that decreases opposites armour, like AXE
LOL

this is my best hero now..

My build:
Bot
Butterfly
Cuirass
MKB
Desolator
Vanguard

My New Build:
Bot
Lothar's Edge
Butterfly
Desolator
Cuirass
linken/MKB/Vanguard

wow ang panget ni neveremore ang hina

yea i agree with shadowmastermk47 he don need to use skill he can the damage of soul raping to rape your ass it is ouch i use this char before it is rock

How To Defeat Nevermore...
If He Build Lothars Edge...
always Buy Gem of True Sight..
Dont be Cheap...
Even in early Game.. You'll Need a Gem...
For The Heroes Anti Nevermore...
Choose Magina , Mirana , And Naix
Naix is The Best Hero for Anti Nevermore...
When You Have Gem..
If He Places Near you and Cast His Ulti.. Go For Naix First Skill ..(Rage)
so The Ulti of Nevermore Wont Affect Him.. Then Cast Open Qounds On Nevermore = Owned...

How To Defeat Nevermore...
If He Build Lothars Edge...
always Buy Gem of True Sight..
Dont be Cheap...
Even in early Game.. You'll Need a Gem...
For The Heroes Anti Nevermore...
Choose Magina , Mirana , And Naix
Naix is The Best Hero for Anti Nevermore...
When You Have Gem..
If He Places Near you and Cast His Ulti.. Go For Naix First Skill ..(Rage)
so The Ulti of Nevermore Wont Affect Him.. Then Cast Open Qounds On Nevermore = Owned... In Magina If He Casts His Ulti Just Simply Blink

its not as simple as that u noob...
u would find that out if u tryed it.
naix rage only last about 4 secs nd magina would be dead by the time he could blink away.
try it b4 u start saying shit