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Strategies:Epicenter of Attention - Sand King Guide posted by quickbrownfox on 2006-11-26SandKing Build posted by The Game on 2006-07-26 sandKING posted by jv_breathstealer on 2006-05-29 |
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NICE WITH RADIANCE COMBINED WITH SAND STORM AUTOMATIC 120 DAMAGE PER SECOND
hoy gag0000 ka lawlaw cmo
OWWS! OUT LOW. HAHAHAHAH
god-hero. why he participate in dota?
item that can negate his skills BKB
just buy a dagger of escape
Psycho Farming MACHINE!!!
pawned by sven!
hes a good area effected hero, but fightin other heroes is very hard, he wont slay any but he will hurt lots. btw, why does it say orb effect on Caustic Finale?
Bkb Lothar din yan mga tol pero pangontra rin dyan dagger of escape
Pawn by spiritbreaker
Sand King... If you are extremely desprate for first blood, and you are playing 1 on 1, then you can buy a dagon... use the burrowstrike and then dagon!!! BAM!!!! Auto 500 damage then attack him if he not dead yet, and they run, you follow and u burrowstrike again, no hero can survive.
Does Caustic Finale affect those within a Cleave attack radius if equipped with a Battle Fury?
Cause that would be a nice piece of damage to any nearby enemy hero.
lupeman it says that caustic finale is orb effect...
its up from mana cost and down when says the lvl 4 and the damage..about this hero really good...also linkens owns to this hero...
best hero in dota in every aspect..and when with radiance combined with linken's..he owns..
blink BKB... ownage.... har har
Simply put, one of the best heros in the game. Really dont need much to start owning, key is to get BKB fast. Linken Sphere, and boots of travel cause 90% of the time if you use this hero correctly you will be doing the chasing. If you still have time and getting tons of gold then go for a MKB. After that its GG cause you owned everyone and their rax are out, I have never seen myself get more than those items cause it would mean ridicolous farming and long a$$ game. My easy and fast item build,
boots of travel//BKB//Linken Sphere//MKB//and whatever else, cause at this point you will be owning.
Yes, i also think SK rocks. but, what exactly is a rax??
rax, in short meaning of barracks of your enemies, in other words your teamchat log will some time see(when you are in your enemy's base of course) "atk the rax!" or "get the rax!" you know what I mean, anyhow peace
Very vrey very good with Rootfallens ulti , EVEN BETTER IF ROOTFALLEN HAVE REFRESHER ORB =X
Great hero killer. Can kill lots of heroes with Epicenter. Mostly STR heroes can barely survive with it, but can be killed thru chasing and burrowstrike. A friend of mine always get beyond GODLIKE with this guy. Now I'm practicing with it, since my friend wants me to use this and he'll be using other heroes instead.
Can you use two orbs on this guy? Had Satanic on him cause I forgot about his orb.. when I was killing heroes I got lifesteal, but killing creeps I got the caustic effect.
quick question, if u had eul's just for mana regen, if u burrowstrike then cyclone then epicenter, will the hero take dmg while in the air??
Hero cycloned is invulnerable... But w8 for about 3 seconds then cast epi, the moment he goes down, he will eat all those damage from epi... TRIED AND TESTED...
SK will always have a place in my heart since he is the first guy i got to GODLIKE with :)
For me maxing out caustic finale makes him a virtual God at harassing, not to mention farming. 220 damage is more than half the damage of a Dagon, and you can do it to the opposing hero every time you kill a creep. Their only choice is to sit back and not farm, unless they're a decent ranged harasser. And if they are, build for that.
In almost every circumstance, I recommend purchasing the Hood of Defiance as fast as you possibly can, starting with the dual rings. The hood (and the components, starting with the rings) will help him greatly to stand up against ranged harassers.
Grab a point of sand storm early. Don't use it more than a couple times unless you're enemies really suck bad. Any even mildly competent enemy will get wards if you pull this more than a couple times. Don't pull the sand storm and radiance trick. It's not doing you any credit. Just kill the creeps yourself and you have 220 AoE damage, easily farming better than the radiance/ss combo.
Get yourself a battlefury. Focus on one creep. By the time you kill that one creep, all the other creeps will be low enough you can have them to a sliver, if not dead, and one more caustic will win you the entire wave.
Max out caustic first, followed by burrow-strike. Get him Vladmir's after the hood, and then go for a nice butterfly. That will give him disgusting farming and will make up for his somewhat wimpy attack speed. Next, buy yourself a cuirass starting with the hyperstone. Finish off with a nice heart if it suits you, or just go kill Roshan and get yourself an immortal.
Elf
a real strong hero.. godlike
simple hero to use...
what item will i buy...? if my epicenter is easy to penetrate?
i like caustic finale, i get it first as my first skill, attack each creep that comes and fall back then repeat. better if i get it last hit, but oh well.
@ dre13 - Kelens and BKB
Caustics kinda useless unless theres lots of creeps nearby
Linken sphere or omniknight repel, bye the way, if ur trapped in furions trees , can u use burrow strike to scape?
a very good way to use the epicenter is to use sandstorm, when the opponent is in the sandstorm, use epicenter then quickly use lothar's edge.. if you timed it correctly, the opponent won't even know he is already being hit with the epicenter.. and he/she doesn't know where u are..
a very good way to use the epicenter is to use sandstorm, when the opponent is in the sandstorm, use epicenter then quickly use lothar's edge.. if you timed it correctly, the opponent won't even know he is already being hit with the epicenter.. and he/she doesn't know where u are..
bane elemental+sand=kill(grip+epi)
Epicenter slows ur enemy, i suggest usin fiend grip aftawards so u dont waste the immobilization and slow
Well i lvoe playin this heroe nad hate facing him XD.
Hes easy to counter but. Good counter heroes are silencers like: Doom knight, Silencer, traxex. And quick stuners like: Vengeful, Leviatan, Sven,.. well the list goes on, but based on my experience the best counter for epicenter is the cyclone charges from Euls scepter, why? cuz they stop epicenter even when its already casted.
Have u herd sndking casting epicenter at far range with no enemies? Well y not try dis! Use dager of escape. while casting epicenter at far range that would be safe to acoid any hindrance that woul stop EP. While casting press shift den use d dagger of escpe to blink to the enemies. This really works cause they would not be able to stop Ep cause its already done casting.
Its really hard trying ths tecnique it also took me hardships to perfect it. Its just a litle praktis!
He is very bad against silencer.. he cant do combo spell coz of silencer's last word. But his ulti can be cancel by stun, voodoo and any disable spell. He waste the ulti
hello everyone... did anyone knows how sandking cast a spell that grew him bigger? This usually happens when during the casting of the ulti. But i believe its not since i observed sandking grew bigger even not casting the ulti. i ask this because i havent seen it in his skills. thanks.....
it'b BKB's effect.
some one said if ur desperate for first blood 1v1 get dogon
stupidest/most useless post ever not gonna even bother
This is one of my favorite heroes mga repapips, why? I love the EPI + Blink. If your new to this hero it takes time to master epi-blink but first be reminded that it takes 2 secs casting time before it cast epicenter so 2 secs time range to cast you eules, guinsoo, stun, stun, and stunners heroes. Why did I choose Blink dagger instead of BKB? Well Sandking is not Int heroes, lack of mana and it eats alot of mana using BKB unlike blink dagger and it specialized in scape making sandking untouchable if you encounters much more stronger heroes or advanced on your level. Radiance plus Sandstorm is a goodway of defence and offense. I dont like using Lothars with Sandking, why? If you cast for example a combo which is burrowstrike+Sandstorm+Epi+Lothar yes you can do damage but the 9secs invisible is not wise instead of attacking enemies while doing epi unless you attacked enemies after it cast epi, a epi+blink is a good surprise attacked and it owns enemies. Second fav for this hero is Caustic Finale, 220 damage when it reach level 4! and sandstorm, just use your manawisely and epi+blink ayos!
epi blink would make this hero a killing machine...instead of using BKB,use blink instead...low mana cost... epi + blink = massacre!!!bwahahahaha!!!
burrowstrike + caustic will clear a wave of creepy creeps!!good for farming too..
good companion for sandking would be nortrom..do you think so??so the epi wont be canceled out..i love using this hero...i think it woul do a lot of good if he has battle fury..damage plus mana regen..because he cud use a lot of mana regen because of his skills..do anyone agree??
does skadi will work fine for him?please answer..anyone..thanks..
SK owns with basher and radiance!! just burrow strike then epi... owning!!! put dagon if it does'nt work for you........
bat daming galit kay sk?? pansin ko lang pag battlenet kasi ehehe
Will sand king epicenter be cancelled if he is being attack when he is casting/channeling ? Can attacking or casting spell on sandking when he is channeling epicenter cancel his ulti ?
@cadogantan
if sandking is channeling his ulti (2 sec)
then you can cancel channeling with new order.
if sandking gets stunned when he is channeling, then spell will be cancelled.
if some1 attacks u during channeling, epicenter wont be cancelled.
if u are already casted epicenter then u can attack enemies and move but epicenter will be still there, where u casted it
If you are fed up of losing many kills by the
epicentre power due to the enemy running everytime ; tag up with some stunner/poisoning/freezing ally hero
Also do not use burrowstrike during attempt of a sneak attack-Kelen's might work nicely!!
Once I had this 2vs2 match with my friends
I was Banehallow allied to Furion
Enemy were SandKing and Dragon-Knight
Since it was a random death match---
SK and DK combo ruled high time
On the level of 16 both harassed us ....
Poor me kept dying 5 times in a row,my friend 6 times ...But luckily we had rushed on all there tower in early game.
And even after 11 deaths together we won the game
Posted by Jyruz
2007-06-27
power tread
dagon
battle fury
mkb
hot
radiance
try dis guide its hot hot
LOL he's not that tough.. have slain him for about 4 time with ezalor with strike techniques not charge kills
the radiance also nice if combine with epicenter,145 damage per pulse.
suggested item;
power thread
black king bar
battle furry
heart of tarrasque
radiance
buriza
< lv 20..ican get godlike with sand king hahahahahaha!!!!!!
lv 25 no one can stop me!!!
i like kill everybody wtis SK
hahahahaha
get a blink dagger, use epicentre without ur opponents seeing u, count to 2 and then blink in.
lothar's is pretty good, ww up to them then epicenter got 10-0 in a game
lothar's is good, but blink is better. easier, cheaper
dapat hangang d lvl 6 barrowstrike muna at
Caustic Finale lakas combo kahit na wala kang masyadong gamit firstblood yung kalaban mo 4 sure
burrow epi burrow
pag level 6 yan...sure kill
epicentre sucks one way if you get stunned + pudge's devour also stops it.. bkb fine but still....... you know
BLEAH!!!!
GET DAGGER OF ESCAPE! the biggest key item for sk. get lvl 1 sandstorm then max out stun and poison asap. as for the item build: pers, bracer, dagger, linkensphere, heart, radiance. and it works pretty well.
Sand King is the best farmer hero I've ever used... This hero can take on a horde of creeps and finish all of them in 3 seconds. That's an easy 200 to 400 gold.
I have a question for the Epicenter and Lothar's Edge combo. Wouldn't casting SK's ultimate make SK lose the invisibility? Why then would you bother wind walking and then triggering Epicenter?
i just thought of something, what happens if you buy sheep stick:
burrowstrike, epicentre, then sheepstick or reverse.
also sheep stick kind of resolves his mana issues
Makle - can the avatar work well or give their effect with dagger of escape. coz, wat i found. the only weakness when the SK try to use this combo (avatar + caustic finale + epicenter) is only when the anemy used this dagger. it's suck when knowing one of the most massive skill got certain weakness which is so easy to run away from.
Makle - can the avatar work well or give their effect with dagger of escape. coz, wat i found. the only weakness when the SK try to use this combo (avatar + burrowstrike + epicenter) is only when the anemy used this dagger. it's suck when knowing one of the most massive skill got certain weakness which is so easy to run away from.
p/s:- this is the right one actually
he sucks!!!
Lame against stunners. His ulti sucks again stunners. too long channeling time. one stun and ur ulti goes flying away.. BYE BYE.
pawned by magina
/gg
cast ulti, blink in and pawn
u can just keep sandstorm activated, then ulti. u hav 1.2 second delay before revealed when sandstorm is gone, which cuts ur casting time to .8 second as u cant be stunned for that duration, unless ward or gem is bought.
i suggest getting a battlefury for max farming
3rd skill and battlefury equals ownage farming
i don think SK is dat sucks if u know how to deal with his weaknesses. U can use avatar a.k.a Black King Bar to encounter almost every skill that other characters could do to stop EPICENTER. the only thing dat i still can't manage to figure out how to deal with'em is with the use of blink skill or "Dagger of Escape". But u still can use the Blink Dagger to reduce the probability that other characters with blink skill ussually used'em to run away from epicenter. all u need to do is just cast "Blink" right away when the second injection is alrady done. (Some people told me dat EPICENTER actually need to do 3 injection b4 the epicenter will pulse on.. i don't know which one is correct). the epicenter will automatically transmit their pulse right on the spot where the SK blinked. the only problem is.. sometime u don't know which where your opponent will blink.So the only solution is, cast EPICENTER where nobody see u, and when the second enjection is done, use blink direct to your opponent. What an ambush huh??
Even without avatar, the epicenter still negate well against the stunners.
i prefer blink dagger and bkb first b4 battlefury
this hero can own anyone he's a very good
crixalis is the very good hero in dota
How long is Burrowstike's stun? Does it ever go higher than 2secs?
Just played him. I think the maxed out stun time of burrowstrike is about 1.5 seconds. Definitely not enough to cover the cast time of epicenter.
Hahaha sand king?, #1 weakness?...simple its abbadon, his caustic finale will only increase the chance of the sheild exploding in his face + when he uses the epicenter all abbadon has to do is use his last skill, then POOF you wint even feel the epicenter and SK is yours for the kill haha simply an easy hero to beat
damn shit... but agree
Bkb may be the best item for him,but and the worst if bought by an opponent. When he casts epicenter, his enemy activates Bkb and then ...
@BloodBerry, Abaddon is almost everyones weakness.
im pretty sure BKBs avatar wont protect enemies from receivin damage from epicente. its not a targetted spell.
My Build 4'r "Sk"
Radiance
Battle Fury
Power Thread
Kelens Dagger Of Escape
Assault Cuirass
Heart Of Tarassque
(Surely...no-escaping
this is my new update, i figured out that even with BKB, the epicenter can still be stopped against Drow Ranger's silent skill and Soul breaker's Ulti'. but still with the right timing and strategies... they can still be defeated.
Epicenter? Powerful skill but can be stop and pwned by faceless void!
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T GET ANY LIFESTEAL ITEMS.
Your orb effect from the caustic finale is in effect so your lifesteal won't work.
It'll probably work on heroes though... but that's not important.
how long is sk's stun for?
then cast first! 1... 2... then hold shift... the nblink into faceless void by surprise!!! chrono cant stop epi once casted fully...

coll character epecially epicenter on lvl6
dudes! does satanic stack wit SK?
iam afraid not
tnx!
here's my build:
battle fury
kelen's dagger of escape
black king bar
heart of tarrasque
assualt curiass
powertreads/travelboots
avatar-burrowstrike-epi
or
epi-blink
when i use SK, i dont put bkb on him.. my only items are BoT, 2 bracers, vanguard, battlefury/linkens, and HoT/radiance.
depends on who ur opponents are.
and of course if u hav an enemy stunner/disabler or anyone who can stop ur epi, of course dont go burrow+epi. what i usually do is burrow then hit,hit. then the enemy will think that ur gonna cast stun/ disable. now that they dont have stun/disable, thats the time you can burrow+epi. not every strategy is based on what items you put on a hero, u shud be smart too. dota is a mind game..
and of course if u hav an enemy stunner/disabler or anyone who can stop ur epi, of course dont go burrow+epi. what i usually do is burrow then hit,hit. then the enemy will think that ur gonna cast stun/ disable. SO THEY WILL TRY TO STUN?DISABLE YOU. now that they dont have stun/disable, thats the time you can burrow+epi. not every strategy is based on what items you put on a hero, u shud be smart too. dota is a mind game..
waaaaa
fav hero
lanaya was running away, i burrow strike her, she melds, im like "shit. no wards". killed some random creep running past and she exploded
Good but why didn"t u use the sand storm?
mana-less from the burrowStrk + epicenter
but that woudlve been funny too
Crixalis - The Sand King one of the most stronger heros in the game and he put the might of the Epicenter into spiritbreaker ass
which is better for sand king, radiance or battlefury?
also, is the radiance-sandstorm combo actually effective?
radiance/sandstorm isnt effective, if ur going to take sandstorm put 1 point into it and thats it, all it should ever be is a last ditch escape maneuver to let your burrowstrike/blink dagger cooldown.
Nobody will ever sit in an area and take sandstorm/radiance dmg for more than a second...
power treads
battle fury
hyperstone ===> assault cuirass
buriza-do kyanon
heart of tarrasque
my 6th item is optional either
black king bar (if there are a lot of disablers/spell caster)
kellen's dagger of escape (to avoid gangbang situations and/or surprise your opponent/s via blink+epicenter and vice-versa)
vry nice, well done with the strategy!
hey im a pro SK user, just have a question, is it optional to have power threads or Boots of travel,,, sometimes i just go for only normal boots, and then go for kelen and after battle fury, please come with an exackly pro build, item after item
sand king doesn't really need blink dagger.. i'd rather go for black king bar or linken's sphere..
here is my build:
battle fury
heart of tarrasque
assualt curiass
black king bar/linken's sphere
radiance
boots of travel
seriusly m8, ive tryed playing without blink dagger, u wont stand a chance... sand king is needed cause he is fast to get into combat via his blink dagger, without it u should rather take another hero...
My build:
Bracer
Boots of Travel
Bloodstone
Black king bar
Heart of Tarrasque
Radiance or a second Heart of Tarrasque, depending on game situation
huhu..how to beat tis crazy thing easily?
-BKB
-Dagger of escape(u can blink to ur target when u r doing epicenter)
-Boots of Travel
- Heart
elow!! can u teach me more strategy about sandking
cool combo with Enigma Epicenter Plus Black hole :D
Question: do epicenter or radiance trigger caustic finale? or does it only happen on normal attacks?
Question
So during the 2 second casting time on his ult u cant move... and when that is over u can start moving with the ground all shaking? And when the ult is up does ur max speed go down while ur moving? And what is the aoe of the ult? try to describe me the aoe of it by comparing it to another heroes
thx for helping a noob!
my new build:
Battle Fury
Linken's Sphere
Heart of Tarrasque
Radiance
Assualt Curiass
Boots of Travel
@..BeyondGodLike..
my friend your build isn't new at all
SK is an old hero...
there are lots of players out there using your build...
but one thing's for sure...
this hero is so old and boring to use...(in my opinion)
^_^ peace
awsome with radiance!
and hood of defiance
but hes countered by magina easily and any nukers unless heart!
crix is a god hero...
im amazing with him
phantom lancer is also god hero
Farming is FUN with sk!
Stun the creeps, attack one, finale kills the rest! If not, then your bfury cleave or radiance will!
Sandking? More like FARMKING! XD
Dagger Of Excape is probably the ebst item for mid game after starting items
Dagger Of Excape is probably the ebst item for mid game after starting items
BOT
Blink Dagger
Battle Fury
Battle Fury
HoT
Radiance
Guys i got a qeustion about epicenter(ulti).
Well at lvl 1 it does 6 pulses of 110damage, but what i wanna know is does everyone get the 660dmg then or if 2 enemies are in the range it is the 1/2 for both?..so 330 for 1hero and 330dmg for other. Or both get the full dmg of the ulti:o?
it's like any other area of effect skill, hits em all the same
wats da best items for sandking 2 be able 2 kill faster??
ill own you
y should i use DAGON....i thaught SK is a STR type....how about his last skill i think it is more stronger than to use dogon
did anyone know this : purchase a blink dagger ; stay in the dark near no one cast epicenter and shift click the blink dagger near the enemy hero !! he will take all the damage
Well my question is how do u use the blink epi combo.Ive seen ppl in the woods casting epi then blinking to the nme and epi is there!How do you do this combo!
nice with:
power treads (str)
linkens/black king bar
radiance
buriza do kyanon
HoT
(and something to stop opponent from moving)
sandking + kelen's dagger + epicenter=multikill
can this hero use sandstorm when his ulti already start pulsing?
140 By moonfang 2008-02-21
can this hero use sandstorm when his ulti already start pulsing?
why should he? pretty useless..
your enemies run away from it anyway.. thats why its good that you are able to move with it.. activate sandstorm would be dumb.
to all those LOTHAR questions..its pathetic to use it. it wont work in private game vs skilled ppl..they just see it once in your inventory and they will spam wards or use a gem.
blink dagger provide much more versatile combinations.
*u can cast epicenter and blink in after 2 seconds
*u can blink in front of enemy to last hit him / or make a sweet burrow after blink to chase him
*2 escape mechanism
*cheaper
a real damaging hero
what a great hero.. FantaStic
I some times dont like getting his orb effect cause farming isnt what im in the mood in
so when i skip the orb effect i like to get him vanguard,deso, and vlads, and maybe a heart. Its pretty good i gotta admit
But dont hate cause im not a big fan of his orb, its only farming!
and harrasing?
LOL once i played with him and my team was rylai, magnataur, earthshaker, and warlock, whole other team tried 2 get mid tower mag ultied and evry1 just came in and ultied and other team got totally owned
uhmm nice with trant ^^
deso,radiance,treads,HoT
Over growth epi^^
GG ^^
i still dun understand sk's 2 skill...the part where invisibility lasts 4 80sec when it is upgraded 2 lvl 4....sum1
help??
My usual Build is :
Linkens
Heart of Tarrasque x2
Battle Fury
Boots of Travel
Vlads.
I dont get blink anymore i find no point to it anymore "Kelens Dagger (No Escape)"
his 3rd skill is good in every last hit kills
u know wats good with him?
Eul scepter some1 then u epicenter while hes flying then when he comes down he will be hit by the first epicenter then guinsoo hex his ass then refresher and epicenter again and ne hero will b dead
wtf. this says armor is 3, i played it was 0.
My build:
Treads
HoT
Vlad's
Bfury
AC
I actually usually get all of these... and then i shoot for buriza that never happens.
his armor got nerfed in the recent version
My build:
Power Treads
S&Y
Linken's
HoT
Butterfly
HoT
What do you think?
EXTREMELY Lame! S&Y is an orb and the Caustic Finale is much better; butterlfy? WTF man?
BoT
Vladimir
BKB
Quirass
Radiance
HoT
