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Strategies:Alchemist Razzil guide posted by blank_blank on 2006-09-11Late Bloomer! posted by hardhead1223 on 2006-10-01 |
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Great farmer hero but has been nerfed everytime a new version is released. OK hero for now not that strong anymore
hero description not change. maybe admin fix it.
NO dont even put the skill called(Goblin`s Greed) they must change it PLZ CHANGE IT
Nice in team games.I recomend making Stygian Desolator.Team Gank with Acid Sray and hit.WoW -14 armour.And no match for Gold coming.AlsoHis Ulti is very powerfull and with low mana cost and cooldown,can be used whenever u r short on health
Oms this guy with a radince so imba and such a good farmer luv him new fave
king koy you crazy thats his farming ability if you take that away you f#$k him up totaly
morph is great counter for alchemist esp ecially if they use their ulti. replicate and you keep the crazy attackspeed and HP bonous.
i dont even think that unstable concoction will have a strategy.. harsh... better waste it on stats...
can someone can give me the right item for this hero because this is one of my fave hero plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
id get farming items such as radiance, battlefury (thats the one with the cleave right?) and a lvl1 dagon, if u wana but thats kinda over the top... but u can use dagon effectively durin mid game
very imbalanced hero, but great for a game to own.
I recomend: Radiance,Styg,Heart, bot, aegis, and sheepstick.
Uses: alchemist's poison gives negative armor, so radiance and styg help do good dmg.Bkb or (Sheepstick is for those who want to just go 1v1 own).
So if your going 1v1. Alchemist owns.
Just hide in the forest, wait for someone to show up, use your ulti, charge up your stun, run up use the poison mist, then hit him a few times. When hes about to get out of the stun sheep him, and i think u can do this a good 2 times. Which is more than enough to kill 1 hero.
I really can't believe how useless everyone deems the skill unstable concoction - all you truely need to own with this guy is a hands of midas for super gold farming and attack speed (Since RAGE lowers your BASE attack speed which is then increased by any Increased attack speed) all your skills including lvl 4 unstable concoction
then the only thing you need is 1 blink dagger and ANY damage item will do (stygian desolator is particularily good in my experience)
all you have to do when you see a hero is start channeling stun, wby the time they notice its been almost 5 seconds, let it go then blink, acid spray, rage BAMBAMBAMBAM dead hero every time, you can kill any single hero in the game this way
a 5 second stun, when in rage mode and with reduced armor WILL kill most heros, and leave you completely untouched
is mjollnir and 2xbashers is good for this hero???
great farmer, excellent support.
them swords when on chem rage, they look like lightsabers. unstable conconction is really useful, people in my country hate it
MoM and Battlefury a must on this guy. more damage taken because of ur MoM? no worries! ur ulti has that taken care of.
Battlefury > Radiance just because battlefury synergizes with goblins greed better than radiance.
attackspeed is now 1.45, 1.35 1.25
He just got nerfed even more..now he´s problably the worst hero in the game.
no... he is one of the best pusher hero in DotA. Goblin's makes you more rich, and acid spray knocks down your enemies.
with rich gold you can buy anything.. like BattleFurry, Buriza, and many more.
ezalor will piss off this hero :D
nice hero..
this hero is awful after the last major update.
Totally, utterly and completely ruined after the last update. Will hopefully be restored in 6.44.
argh! i hate this hero so much, unstable concoction is fucked. I HATE YOU SO MUCH!!! i got 0-8 today.... i actually did kill 2 people but they had aegis.
This hero is ok but they made him crap in the new version and he was only average before so now he sucks.
@lupeman
I have noticed, from most of your posts, you're a noob... this hero is still good, obviously not nearly as good and his str per level is fucking terrible.
Still, he is a very good hero and don't use unstable concoction unless they are low enough to kill with it because stunning from 100 yards away = useless..
I use Battle Fury, Treads, 2 Bashers, and Satanic (HoD first). Chemical Rage + Unholy Fury = Godmode
The info could use a bit of updating..
Acid Spray
Lasts 12 seconds.
Level 1 - 8 damage per second, reduces armor by 3.
Level 2 - 16 damage per second, reduces armor by 4.
Level 3 - 24 damage per second, reduces armor by 5.
Level 4 - 32 damage per second, reduces armor by 6.
Cooldown: 22 seconds, 160 mana
Unstable cocotion
50dmg / 1 sec stun per second of channelling
75 mana, 16 sec cd
Goblins Greed
Last 18 seconds, cap of 18 extra
Ulti
Slightly improves movement speed on level 2 and 3.
Lasts 20 seconds.
Level 1 - 1.45 Base Attack Rate and 200 Bonus HP and Regeneration.
Level 2 - 1.35 Base Attack Rate and 400 Bonus HP and Regeneration.
Level 3 - 1.25 Base Attack Rate and 600 Bonus HP and Regeneration.
I had winning streak using his farming build, start off with boots and hand of midas, then go for battlefury, boots of travel, then radiance, after that, if you can, assault cuirass, then S n Y, as for me, the unstable concoction is for trapping the heros near the tower then backstab
Not a very powerful hero, only acid spray.
borring hero.
nerf hit him hard; now he sucks
all u do is farm farm farm
BORRRINGGG
Yeah, after the nerf this is a hero that should NEVER be picked unless you are pro looking for a challenge. The only way this could own is incredible items in a perfect-have 20 minutes to farm-then someone with DR leaves with 3 aegis and you take it-world kind of game. look at stat bonuses... add up to 5.7, avg is 6.2, stun is also channeling which makes it extremely useless, yes you can use it to surprise but u can do that with any stun and if youre being chased by mortred this is NOT gonna help. Definitely needs to be unnerfed.
I like the old 2 str per level Razzil.I just found out that he has weak armor. He was my fave tank in the old versions. Now I think he was nerf to much.
wut i do for him is
2-hearts
satanic/skadi
bot
basher
hyperstone-upgrade to ac
it takes some time to farm, but razzil can dominate early game wit acid spray, creep duing mid game, and hopefully not dying much will have these items. but i do agree it is kinda boring to play him cause of the hugh farming involved. his the kind of hero where you either do really good or you feed like crazy.
Build for the great gold-owner next to Meepo!
Hand of Midas,Boots of travel,SnY,
Basher,Hot,Battlefury
Keep farming and u'll get Satanic as well replacing the hand of Midas.
If u r owning game; get assault/Deso!!!
you guy's goblin's greed is what makes this hero formidable.. i can build a tarasque with him in just level 5.. on three on three basis i don't know what i can make in just one on one..
the heroes are based on how u used it..
remember what the items are for..
I love this hero!!!
I don't know why everybody hates him so much.
Farm farm farm till you get radiance
then you don't have to bother he will farm without any effort.
The stun skill is the best ganging skill.
It locks the target and you let your friends chasing him.
with a 5 second stun even if 1 person that's chasing him the opponent guy is dead!
Also u can try this:
shook up to someone
if he realize it ,untill he realize it there will pass at least 3-4 seconds.
you press acid spray and Rage when you realize that he realized it.if he doesn't die he will sure stay low.
Also a blink dagger helps for more seconds stun.
he is the best farmer, a prety good pusher and a definately a great ganger!!!
He is the best!!!
i would like to see manacosts and cds
Chemical Rage has a quick cooldown I know that. The reason why people hate this hero so much is that at early game, hes so weak and easy food. Its only after you farm you can do well, of course, whos stupid enough to let alchemist farm?
Well...dono whether this hero is good?
His Acid Spray is easy to avoid (unless hav a teammate that has stun)
I think his goblin's greed is useless n this guy is also hard to kill!!!
goblin greed isnt useless... one wave of creep is initial creep gold + 36 every creep that dies. say a creep is around 40 gold, thats nearly double the gold gained. at late game, it will be very handy cos if they push, just chemical rage, preferrably get vanguard and tank while acid spray does all ur farming.
i thing he must be changed a little.His armor sucksssss
I think the 1st time he came to DOTA he was 1 of the most powerfull heroes . Plz Change him.
He is also a crazy pusher with chemical range and battlefury will (goblins greed plus) brake all the towers!!! :D
anyone know the AoE of acid spray?
stats and skills need an update sometime.
This hero is very good. Infact he is my fav. use his first skill wit desolator and with blink and possibly sheepstick, the game is done. -14 armor, plus use stun, plus blink, plus hex and the game is done and thats not even using ult
but HE IS THE BOMB!!!!!
blink dagger, MoM, BoT, heart gg gg gg gg
only problem about dota is if u use a build and it works well and u use it a lot, people steal ur build and make u un unique, such as blink daggar and MoM for alche =..had to use this hero a lot and test his weaknesses to find that those items rape with him
That's the dummest comment I've seen
-dude everyone is trying to make the best build for the hero he plays with; by looking what others use you can learn something-that's how "A MUST" for any hero is formed. If you don't like it-try singleplay
ur not expected to use the same build for all games, cos some games, u will hav counter heroes and u need to make up for ur heroes flaws more then ever.
but i have a standard item build when i play this hero
Radiance first, boots, then dual vanguards.
its actually possible to farm a radiance by the time u reach lvl 10.
He is 1 of the best farmer i ever use... WOO
just use 6 iron wood branch!!!
this hero will become unstoppable!!!...
d'best!!!...
My alch deals with stun and greed... acid spray is later on!
Why in any team match up a 5 second stun is the greatest stun ever!
Its like a snipe stun!
The only way to get away is invis... and than they are a lower hp hero anyway!
For the stun, its 60 damage i think for per second charged.
goblin greed is the typical skill to put to end points, and for that matter, its good. no need to change it
acid spray decreases armour too, u can use it in team gank too. come up from behind, spray, get ur allies to ambush so he falls back while ur chargin up ur unstable concotion. (ps, i still hate unstable concotion, only level one to disrupt channeling/casting spells)
im bored on B.net, the proz servers dont hav many proz. Add me on B.net if you think your pro. richest_hobo.
well i can't say its perfect but try desolator blink dagger assault and a basher give you self 45 mins and you could probably farm 3 quarters of this np
45 minutes, okay. (aside from the fact that the average game lasts for 50 minutes, 60-70 minutes in a pro game)
treads,MoM, 2 bashers, hyperstone, bfly
perma bash
lupeman your on this site way to much your crappy comments are everywhere
Wow the stats on this guy are soo outdated lol.
i call this hero
razzsuxx darkfeed
noob this hero..i hate this hero....
is this a good hero... version 6.48b?
That's what I make for him:
Treads
Battlefury
Linken's
Cuirass
moka, ur still a nub.
For this hero, i'll go for a power treads, a SnY, Battle Fury, HoT, Satanic and Radiance. This hero is actually quite a useful hero not just for farming but for also killing.
Well this is just my item build for this hero. If there is anything wrong with my item build or needed to add anything pls tell me. thx
I think they increased the acid spray time for 3 sec in 6.49
Armlets of Mordiggian rock with him...
My build:
Blink dagger, bottle, armlets of Mordiggian, radiance.
it was actually increased by 4 seconds. drew should also update it so it sez that unstable concoction deals 50 damage per second it was shaken up
This guy really is good with another hero! This guy isn't too bad. This guy really needs a radiance and a Battle Fury.
yah!!! i agree!!! battle fury and radiance.. he's really much of a pusher.. killer... nope... dont raise ur hopes too high on him with kills... his 2nd skill is good for chasing cancered heroes... bam!!!
yah!!! i agree!!! battle fury and radiance.. he's really much of a pusher.. killer... nope... dont raise ur hope too high on him with kills... his 2nd skill is good for chasing cancered heroes... bam!!!
yah!!! i agree!!! battle fury and radiance.. he's really much of a pusher.. killer... nope... dont raise ur hopes too high on him with kills... his 2nd skill is good for chasing cancered heroes though... bam!!!
yah!!! i agree!!! battle fury and radiance.. he's really much of a pusher.. killer... nope... dont raise ur hopes too high on him with kills... his 2nd skill is good for chasing cancered heroes though... bam!!!
yah!!! i agree!!! battle fury and radiance.. he's really much of a pusher.. killer... nope... dont raise ur hopes too high on him with kills... his 2nd skill is good for chasing cancered heroes though... bam!!!
i would say the most boring hero to use in early game
A very good hero killer. Farm for PT, then BF. Then proceed to SY, AC and double tarrasque. Spray, rage and kill. BTW, get one level of UC, it is not 5 sec stun for you you can just do it and order to move and it will stun the while you waited. Channel stop!
Hes so weak now his stat gain is like 1.8 1 and 1.2
very nice hero.....
When have right items and activated chemical rage, he has monstrous hp regen...........
Can dis guy pwn hero's that ARENT noobs? i dought it
treads, s&y, battlefury, radiance, hand o' midas, heart or buriza
HEY GM!!!! can u explain why "goblin Greeds"this skill can be place in Dota??? Hell!!
Eversince I play DOTA (1 year ago), I choose Alchemist (Because I'm a avid Paulo Coelho bookworm fan), and I never use any character other than him.
I'm really disappointed! He's so weak and so slow!
You can't make him fight someone, and LAN game with him is close to impossible!
Everyone will be chatting to an Alchemist player "Dumb Dumb Alchemist!, Go Quit Alchemist!, We Don't Need You, Alchemist", because no matter what item combination in him early game, he's still weak! Oh, did I mention that he'll get killed, probably, 20 times in 1 game?
This is based on my experience as an Alchemist player.
I think he was created as a tank and not a hero killer cause you can't win when u use him one on one
I have noticed, from most of your posts, you're a noob... this hero is still good, obviously not nearly as good and his str per level is fucking terrible.
Still, he is a very good hero and don't use unstable concoction unless they are low enough to kill with it because stunning from 100 yards away = useless..
this hero not so good aldi
This hero is great for me use Power Threads, SnY, 2x bashers, HoT, currias, + chem rage your enemy cannot move bcoz of stun and maim
Unstable Concotion is his best skill next to his ult. Acid spray does nothing but take out creeps, which ends up working well with goblin greed.
He's fucking pathetic early game, but late game with an S&Y, 2 Hearts, and a Vangaurd, + last rank ult (which is about 24 hp regeneration/sec) he ends up with like 60 hp regeneration when fighting.
Oh yeah, and I tend to concoction harras early game. It's rediculously effective.
greed is good!!!
can i call this hero banker??
heh!!!
Alchemist is the best character in the game of DOTA. There is no question. You are not even allowed to doubt it. The thought police will come.
He has a good 5sec stun, which will do 400 dmg (-spell resistance so normally 300). If solo, hide in the forest and own, and if on a team with Mirana, she does an arrow for high stun, and you start channeling. By the time priestess of the moon stun ends, they are hit with another stun. 10 Seconds.
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This Char is also a permabasher. Get 2 cranium bashers, MoM, curiass and hyperstone, treads and nobody can escape you. the bashers help your damage, ur ULT helps health IAS and ms. Invincible.
He really should be ranged!!!
I mean, seriously, he's so underpowered that with him Melee, it's just more trouble.
Although I did Monster kill with him. Still, for a ranged attack he could throw little bottles that explode kinda like techies.
this hero is one of my favorite...
only noob people will say this hero is a feeder... or a non-killing hero...
just use dagon lvl5,3 pieces of guinsoo, and mechanism....
if you use this items, this hero is freaking hard to kill, and hero is a killing machine...
that's all folks...
good farmer but useless
What is sheepsticks??
This hero is the most imba!!! Incredible farmer and your money are roling in when greed is lvl4.
My build:
Early Game: HoD, Boots of Speed, and the obligatory other starter items such as tango's and tp's
Mid Game: Battle fury, HoT, Boots of travel. Now your greed is lvl 4, and the gold should be easy to get.
Late Game: Vladimirs, Buriza
Your life steal is imba together with the HoT it makes you almost unkillable.
Battle fury makes your mana- and life regen mmuch better plus it gives a great deal of dmg. Late game with all the items your dmg is 92-101+228 and with buriza's critting ability (2.2x) you can take out anyone 1 vs. 1.
Try this one out! Prepare to be GODLIKE
Treads
S&Y
Basher
Basher
Vangurad
Hyperstone( eventually cuirass)
alchy van become one of the fastest attcking heros
in the game with hypers butterfly then u get bashers
neutral creeping is so important for this guy imagine 2 and 1 shotting those lowbie neutrals fur 36 extra gold a piece if you chain it right. battlefury>radiance and satanic>HoT if you build BF and satanic then either MKB or Buriza and your are godlike
Why did he got nerfed-his stats gain is now patethic
Power Treads
Sange and Yasha
Lothars
HoT
Radiance
Hand of Midas-Assault
i dont know if anyone else noticed but, if you cast unstable concotion just as chemical rage is running out, the casting annimation is gone, so ur channeling but loooks like ur just standing still. i find this is a great tactic to ambush a person who doesnt pay enough attention, just gives a secret 5 second stun at hopefull close range
item build:
1.treads str
2.HoT
3.MoM
4.Blink dagger
5.(maybe another heart or radiance?)
i like to hide in the forest and do unstable concoction and stun. then actviate MoM and ur ultimate, then blink in to the hero that is stunned, then use acid spray. then wack away! It works most of the time with me, and it pwns
this hero is the best when it comes to farming... we got 5 on 5 last time and i have a long range hero friend who will help me in the lane so he was harden to farm and for me was so easy because of the acid spray...i got battlefury at level 8 or 9 i think and i got assault at lvl 14 or 15....and i'm very unstoppable at 19..at 19 my item are already are 1.battlefury 2. assault 3. vladimirs 4. buriza 5. treads 6. skadi...hahahahaha and i got triple kill at the end
...maybe all of u people underestimate him because of his armor and agility but when u play him with all u got he is one unstoppable hero..believe me.
this hero makes my give me a goosebumps because of too much excitement. i unleashed troll easily.
dis hero is great.... u can use unstable concoction in a blind spot charge it to 5 secs...and then hit the enemy.....
use it its great......................
for me i build it with:
-2x basher
-vanguard
-power threads
-MoM
-satanic
wen u use chemical rage and MoM with 2x basher your enemy cant move because your attack is very fast ur enemy cant move a thing or even use skill....
Time to make a guide for this hero!
Who's with me?
already on making a guide for him
me 2 then. nothing wrong with some competition
Actually one of the best heroes in dota. I played him today and owned.
At late game i had 300 damage for him. He had all his dream items -> i had to give aegis to another person because i had to much money for buying. His ulti is godlike
Now i really want to make a guide for him. He became one of my favorites. Maybe if i practice more he will be my favorite no.1. I don't get it why people say he is bad. He is one of the best heroes there is. Insane farming for good items :). Love him!!!!!!!!!!
can i help 2 make a guide...
would u allow me 2 help
oh?
Of course i allow it
2 is always better then 1
109 By collection 2008-03-06
already on making a guide for him
110 By Greater Bash 2008-03-07
me 2 then. nothing wrong with some competition
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please do, I really need some tips on how to play this hero properly..
merged guide?
maybe but i think not because he doesnt make any sign of live so...
ei can i ask u how can i make a guide?
mine is nearly finished 
What is base attack rate?
its just how long you need to make an attack
quite nice when you see him die, the ogre seems to be dizzy and you'll here razzil say:
"whoa, oohhh, WHOA!!!" *thud*
very imbalanced. not that i hate him so much, but i dont like him.
i like him very much^^
the base start int is 25 change back please and starting mana is 325 , now is a great improvementy, but i don't know my item build is right,
BOT, Bfury(help a lot in farming )
tree+rob->roh->boots->pointbooster+ultiorbx2 for skadi. get bot and no one will ever catch you in rage.
Annoying stunner. Made for greeeed. Looking forward to see good guides for him. Go for it!
I`ll make a guide! but hope it will be rated 5 stars and oh yea! you know I am already busy making another guide so dont rush me!?!?!?!?!?!?What am i talking about, i havent even used this hero!maybe next month!!!!
It would be really good for alche if he would get something else for goblins greed, like better damage or invulnerability spell (1sec-4sec invulnerability)
farm farm farm nd make best items
wtf this hero owns! my build...
battle fury
BoT
Stygian
3 hyperstones (it was meant to be only one actually, but i farmed TOO MUCH gold lol
think... 3 hypers and 1.2 base attack rate??!!! i pawned a centaur less than 5 secs!!! seriously!!!
you suck...really..man, as in. this isnt a strategy guide...
thnx anyway
I used the following build at 3vs3 and it wasn't the most nuking ever but i was kinda unbeatable
1. Treads
2. Sange&Yasha
3. Vanguard
4. HoT
5. HoT
6. Radiance
This with acid spray and creed.. gold just flows in your pocket
What exactly is the bonus Regen for Chemical Rage? Do you get bonus mana regen too? I'd like to know for a guide I'm writing.
This hero is an excellent pusher/carry/tank with the right items.
İ think the best item build for him is:
1-power treads
2-battlefury
3-radiance
4-assault
5-HoT
theese can seem to much but his the greatest farmer of all time(
