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Kwahh - Great Condor

Created by BashUmDead on 2007-04-26
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The great condors of the stonetalon mountains are known for their immense size and powerful combat abilities for as long as the races of azeroth can remember. When the Burning legion began its tainting of the world it attacked the stonetalon mountains. They birds fought fvaliently to protect their numerous aeries but failed because they were simply to few in numbers. The birds sensing their horrible prediciment decided to flee off into the great blue ocean where the burning legion, mainly bound to the ground, would not follow them. They encountered a druid in the form of a storm crow during their flight and chose to communicate what had happened. He was alarmed and asked for one of their own to accompany him to the meet with the great druid Furion Stormrage. Stormrage communed with the two birds and the bird who had join the storm crow was named Kwahh, he offered his aid in the war against the burning legion as it was clear that aerial assault would be very beneficial to the elves and their allies as the burning legion clearly couldn't yet master the skies like the birds of Azeroth had. Stormrage accepted Kwahh into the ranks of his druidic army and bestowed upon him great powers of strength and thought beyond those of a normal creature. Kwahh soon after flew to Ashenvale to engage in the Defense of the Ancients and offered his aid to the Sentinal cause.

Carried Away (C)
Kwahh Picks up a target unit, friend or foe and carries them for a small amount of time. Targets cannot be released over terrain that is impassible and if this happens they will be releases randomly on the nearest patch of passable terain. After time runs out they unit is dropped automatically.
Level 1 - Kwahh picks up a target units and carries them for 2 seconds. Kwahh has no collision size during this. Targets cannot be releases over terrain that is impassible and if this happens they will be releases randomly on the nearest patch of passable terain.
Level 2 - Kwahh picks up a target units and carries them for 2.5 seconds. Kwahh has no collision size during this.
Level 3 - Kwahh picks up a target units and carries them for 3 seconds. Kwahh has no collision size during this.
Level 4 - Kwahh picks up a target units and carries them for 3.5 seconds. Kwahh has no collision size during this.
Kwahh acts as a zeppelin and carries a target for the duration. Units carried cannot be released into the proximity of a fountain or on impassible terrain. Carried units are dropped at the end of effect. Affects heroes. Cannot blink during this.
Mana Cost: 150
Cooldown: 35

Framework: Kwahh performs a zeppelin pick up on a unit regardless of it's team and then Kwahh can move them wherever for a time. During the duration Kwahh recieves a time bar called Carried Away and this shows how much longer the spell lasts.

Notes: Good CC and can force ganks by carrying enemies to where they will die....=p. Also good for saving allies since Kwahh's MS does not take a hit for carrying the units.

Feather Storm (F)
Kwahh shakes loose a multitude of his magical feathers that fly arround an area spreading their magical energies. The feathers' potency is based on his form and his armor level. There is a maximum to healing and damage.
Level 1 - Causes units in an area to miss 50% of the time and take damage equal to Kwahh's Armor times 2 every second for 8 seconds. While in Pheonix for allies in the area are healed equal to 1 times Kwahh's armor every second for 8 seconds.
Level 2 - Causes units in an area to miss 50% of the time and take damage equal to Kwahh's Armor times 2.5 every second for 8 seconds. While in Pheonix for allies in the area are healed equal to 2 times Kwahh's armor every second for 8 seconds.
Level 3 - Causes units in an area to miss 50% of the time and take damage equal to Kwah's armor times 2.75 every second for 8 seconds. While in Pheonix for allies in the area are healed equal to 3 times Kwahh's armor every second for 8 seconds.
Level 4 - Causes units in an area to miss 50% of the time and take damage equal to Kwahh's Armor times 3 every second for 8 seconds. While in Pheonix for allies in the area are healed equal to 4 times Kwahh's armor every second for 8 seconds.
AOE is 300 from point. Maximum Healing is 100 per second. Maximum damage is 120 per second.
Mana Cost: 150/170/190/210
Cooldown: 30/30/30/25

Framework: Feather-like animations would flutter arround a location performing the above effects.

Notes: Good for early lane control, later good for powering allied pushes and weakening enemy pushes and ganks. Powerful heal if Kwahh's armor is decked out.

Bite (B)
Kwahh normally hovers above the ground and lashes out with his talons but in sporadic efforts to catch his enemies off guard Kwahh will occasionally send out a violent pecking-bite at his enemy causings bonus damage and slowing the enemy for a moment.
Level 1 - Kwahh's Attacks have a 15% chance to bite his enemy dealing 15 bonus damage and slowing them by 40% for 1 second.
Level 2 - Kwahh's Attacks have a 20% chance to bite his enemy dealing 20 bonus damage and slowing them by 40% for 1 second.
Level 3 - Kwahh's Attacks have a 25% chance to bite his enemy dealing 25 bonus damage and slowing them by 40% for 1 second.
Level 4 - Kwahh's Attacks have a 30% chance to bite his enemy dealing 35 bonus damage and slowing them by 40% for 1 second.
Orb Effect, Basically improved Sange.
Mana Cost: ---
Cooldown: Passive

Framework: A small blood will eminate from the target and they will recieve a debuf called "Deep Bite".

Notes: Good for keeping enemies inside of a feather storm for it's full duration.

Pheonix Fire (P)
Kwahh transforms into a powerful fire hawk for a time gaining various stat boosts and skill boosts. Due to his magical fire form that he takes on Kwahh is harmed worse by magic spells and recieves 150% normal damage from spells instead of taking their normal damage.
Level 1 - +20 MS , +15 Damage, +5 Armor, +150 health. Improves skills in previously listed ways. Attacks against against Kwahh cause an AOE flame burst dealing damage equal to 1 times his armor.
Level 2 - +30 MS , +25 Damage, +8 Armor, +250 health. Improves skills in previously listed ways.Attacks against against Kwahh cause an AOE flame burst dealing damage equal to 2 times his armor.
Level 3 - +40 MS , +35 Damage, +11 Armor, +350 health. Improves skills in previously listed ways. Attacks against against Kwahh cause an AOE flame burst dealing damage equal to 3 times his armor.
Level 4 - None.

Flame Bursts have a 3 second cool down and are chaos damage. Effect Lasts 60 seconds at all levels. Flame Burst hits enemies in 300 AOE. Damage cap is 200.
Mana Cost: 150/225/300
Cooldown: 140/130/120

Framework: Kwahh turns into a pheonix and gains the above attributes. Spell named Flame Burst appears while in this form. Passive with cooldown.

Notes: Powerful bonus to stats the compliment Kwahh's tank like skills.

Discussion:

KWAHH!!!!!! THE THUNDER HAWK !!!

Skills:

Carried Away:

Kwahh picks up a target and carries them. This is ability has many uses. The obvious ones are for moving enemies into a ganks and picking off enemies from a large fight. The others ones are : Escaping with an ally in tow, or just picking up a creep so that u can escape over a natural boundery.

Feather Storm:

Kwahh Shakes off his feathers into an area and they affect it based on his armor. This skill is a powerfull attack and healing aoe. It sets up a blind spot as well as a healing area that gets very strong late game and a damage spot. If it is put onto a hot spot where heroes heroes are fighting or forced to fight, it will give Kwahh's team a distinct advantage.

Bite:

Kwahh Bites enemies randomly causing slow and minor damage. This skill is pretty simple. It is Kwahh's gimic for ensuring he gets some kills. It also can help to keep targets inside a feather storm for the full effect. This simple skill can be very useful as it is a build in Sange.

Pheonix Fire:

Kwahh becomes a powerful Fire Hawk for a time gaining bonus stats. Kwahh, overall, becomes way stronger when in this form. Not only is the form stronger but it improves Kwahh's other skills and overs some minor defense with periodic flame bursts. Flame Burst have a damage cap but it is higher since it has such a long cool down.

Synergies:

Feather Storm and Bite combine to make a power full combo giving Kwahh a big advantage in one on one or in larger battles. He pretty much keep his enemies stuck in the feather storm while they are buffeted by the burn until it ends. Also it provides him with good dodge that compliments his high armor.

Feather Storm and carried away work well because Kwahh can lay down a feather storm and then when his enemy retreats he can return them to the feather storm and re-commence his pecking.

Pheonix fire and Feather storm combined are a powerful combo. They are especially good when allies are arround because the feather storm essentially becomes a fountain for it's duration. As well as this pheonix form allows for a backlash of damage whenever an enemy manages to his Kwahh in the already dodgey storm.

Carried Away and Bite are very good together because once you have your enemy you can carry them over a ridge and limit their escape and then you can bite them until the slow proccs and then your kill is made.

Items:

Kwah is a caster agillity hero so he needs a few things. As he is both a caster AND agi tank he is desperate need of strength and CC for controlling his enemies until he can set up his stratagy properly. Also the fact that he has no ranged stun or blink means he needs to be very fast and be able to move through the battle field in a flash. Lastly, Kwahh needs armor because his skills are caster tank spells and they all rely on his armor being top notch.

Here is a list of good items to use:

The Above items all have different uses. Some of them will always be recommended that they are in your pack and others would now. Among the definite items are :

These items are necessecary because they improve armor massively and therefore improve Feather storm very much allowing it to cause tons of damage. Also they make up for Kwahh's low health and allow him a quick heal for get aways or for surviving battles. They are also good because they support his allies too.

Less important items are

These are so because they do not help Kwahh with his feather storm. That spell is his main power spell and the more conducive his items are to it the better equipped he is. So in that case they are not generally good but situationally good. (although lotharing behind someone and picking them up would be pretty funny...) And Radiance is overkill gold wise unless you are Ballin' then by all means, get the pwnage item and infuriate your enemies with the mass dodge coupled with feather storm as well as the big burns.

Combat necessary items:

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These two items make up for the short comings in Kwahh's other recommended items which are to increase AS, Damage, and Speed. In pheonix for with this gear Kwahh would have 478.5 ms that is a lot to be running around picking people up with. The chain lightening and static shield would also heal with being focus fired as Kwahh already realeases good damage while being focus fired.

The only problem with S&Y is that it would cancel out Bite.

Vyse is good CC and improves Storm placement.

Both cause esentially the same thing, Getting you to the enemy, it just depends on your preference, (the extra mana would be nice..).

Allies and Enemies:

Allies:

Kwahh would benefit greatly from having an ally who can CC a target for a long time as his spells are more effective based on location. Also a hero would keep Kwahh alive would be a major helper. LAstly Armor buffing allies are the best. With Sven, Lich, Treant, and Dazzle as allies, if they chain buffed you and then you cast a feather storm im pretty sure it would be doing more that 100 AOE damage per second in an area for 8 seconds. that is at least 800 aoe damage ... that is monstrous so armor allies would be very helpful.

Note: Omniknight would work also but not as good as you would expect because there is a cap to damage and healing. But guardian angel is viable as a combo.

Bad Enemies:

Slarder, Jah'Rahkal, Faceless Void, Raigor Stonehoof. BASH CITY. They would rape Kwahh silly unless he got the jump on them in that evvent they would still probably beat him mainly because they can easily interrupt Kwahh's spell work.

Also Casters

Lion, Lina, Rylai Crestfall would roast the already roasting Kwahh with their killed magic due to his magic weakness in pheonix form. Also heroes who can reduce armor immensely are bad enemies for you. I.E. Dazzle and Slarder would ruin your spells at later levels.

Lastly Hero's that can out last you such as Bradwarden, Abbadon, Tiny, and Dragon knight Magina (magic resistance) are not good for you. They can out tank you easily and lead to your down fall by breezing through your spells and then dealing out mass damage after wards.

This Concludes KWAHH: The Great Condor, I hope you enjoyed my idea, I have always wondered why their were no giant birds in Dota so i made one, i hope you all liked him!!! =D

Changelog:

2007-04-27: Fixed hotkey discrepency. Flame burst now has a damage cap as does feather storm. Discussion changed to mirror these changes added new thoughts as well.
2007-04-26: Improved cool down balance on ultimate and also clarrified parts of the skill. Reduced spell cost but increased cool down by 20 seconds to prevent perma-pheonix form. Also Clarified Carried away to explain it's use and limitations.

Comments

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1 By `UnholY` 2007-04-26

last skill too imba simply because of flame burst, is it every attack or every x seconds?

bite is ok.

but the 1st skill can be abused and trap the enemy somewhere where they cannot move. they have to type -unstuck and wait for 1 minute to go back again.

so my comment is change/nerf the 1st skill, and further define flame burst. also, lower the health increase a little of the last skill.

will rate after more comments. good idea though.

2 By Shimrra_3 2007-04-26

Cool overall. Phoenix Fire and Feather Storm have the same hotkey, an error I have never actually seen before... Phoenix either needs a huge amount more cooldown or less duration - technically you're more Phoenix than not once you hit lvl2. lvl3 = 60sec of Phoenix for 40sec of regular. I do notice that it has 400 mana cost versus other shapeshifter costs of around 200, but still. I'll rate after more comments, I predict 8-10. Now lemme see if I was the first to comment, everyone says that on these and four people have went ahead of them and they look really dumb...

3 By Shimrra_3 2007-04-26

Ahhh no. I figured as much. Um, I agree with `UnholY` on the Flame Bursts, it should actually have a higher cooldown, its better than Return damage. With Blademails, this thing damages enemies more than they damage you - when you aren't attacking. Nerf that, but my previous comment stands. Sorry to double post.

4 By `UnholY` 2007-04-26

alright another comment too long story

5 By BashUmDead 2007-04-26

I don't think that the carried away skill necessarily needs to be offed but i should clarify it better. so thanks for your thoughts, editing time.

6 By mjs 2007-04-26

quite nice

7 By `UnholY` 2007-04-26

much better

8 By n_hapitan 2007-04-26

its pretty good. i dont get the skills much though.

9 By Shadowinks 2007-04-26

Well I certainly like it! But you don't have an icon for feather storm........8/10

10 By Shimrra_3 2007-04-26

Looks good now, ult is much more balanced. I don't think I'm gonna rate you until you change the hotkeys on those though... you press 'F' and it either changes you instantly OR gives you the targeting thing for an AOE skill... they both have 'F' for a hotkey man. Still. Do something about it! I already said this! Lol.

11 By furu 2007-04-27

Your hero will be so bad with this. You have many skills to damage/ heal based on armor.....You MUST capped it. Why? Your best ally will not those you named above, he is Omniknight. Why? Guardian Angel grants a temporary 1000 armor, so you can heal 4000hp and damage 3000hp per sec???? That applies also for Phoenix Form AoE flame burst, right?? And what if a Faceless Void keep enemies in this AoE of Feather Storm for 6s, your Omniknight is standing beside??? Even a CW with full HP can not survive ^_^

12 By `UnholY` 2007-04-27

yeah, i agree with furu, must have a cap on damage/heal per second

13 By BashUmDead 2007-04-27

14 By `UnholY` 2007-04-28

there, better.

15 By caspian 2007-04-28

Hey i like the Carried Away skill. Absolutely creative. And i'm sure enemies wouldn't like being carried away to their death!!

16 By Very_Bad_Touch 2007-04-28

carry him to a minefield :D:D:D nice hero by the way

17 By BashUmDead 2007-04-29

^_^ thanks for the props, is there anytrhing else that needs fixing / clarifying ?

18 By kikerkid818 2007-04-29

120 dps is a little crazy, but i suppose its ok being its a farily small aoe, and high mana cost. if he is stunned does feather storm stop working? and does it move with him?

19 By Krobalisk 2007-04-29

very creative

20 By Junior 2007-04-30

Hero is great.But why everybody makes long-reading spells.

21 By Dimnot4leash 2007-04-30

Nice hero! i like the 1st skill. I oso like birds

22 By emotionally22 2007-05-03

the hotkey for phoenix fire is p isnt it?
do we use p for patrol?

23 By BashUmDead 2007-05-03

>_> uh i knew that..i was testing you guys ....

24 By elrich 2007-05-04

Nice...Coll, But If the passable terain inside the forest how can he/she/it gets out?

25 By BashUmDead 2007-05-05

I may be wrong but i believe that trees count as terrain regardless of collision but if they don't then u can't mover through trees with carried away...

26 By enrgizedota 2007-05-05

carried away spell is good as it can bring heroes to roshan.lol!combine wif earthshaker traps the hero in the roshan's territory.

27 By freezedfern 2007-05-11

yes it's good to here that from the Great Condor.. But in the early game, is he can do more damage to Zeus?

28 By `UnholY` 2007-05-11

carried away is easily abused. to your well, to roshan's territory, or if you hate your ally use carried away and put him in your enemy's base/

29 By x_HavoK_x 2007-05-14

I like this hero because it isnt a cheap hero people make for fun or taken from a videogame. this is by far a hero that should be in dota great job

30 By Millennium 2007-05-15

Tooooooo long story.
But Carried Away skill is very creative.Think about you carry your ally earthstaker and put him into the middle of huge enemy crowd,Echo Slam rulez

31 By Briancoy 2007-05-16

... pretty cool i think

32 By BashUmDead 2007-05-16

glad u like him, thanks for the compliments =D

33 By geofkools07 2007-05-19

the 1st skill is gonna be hard to program?? isnt it... cause it can carry hero.. what will happen when you just stand or stay on impassable terrain..??

34 By geofkools07 2007-05-19

nice ideas on his skills... strong 3rd skill...

35 By antz191 2007-06-20

Nice 8/10

36 By lilse7en 2007-06-21

why does bite have a hotkey? i dont know if anyone said this yet... too lazy to read all comments

37 By chickenheap 2007-07-07

Nice overall but man you'll have to get a TON of INT items for all those mana costs... Look at them he ha 234 mana and needs 660 by level 7... (if u maxed feather storm) you couldnt focus on the items sugested you'd need total INT items which would screw over your hero build

38 By Kakisho 2007-07-26

Wow, that hero seemed pretty cool, and just to clarify things, pheonix fire's flame burst has a 3 second cool down meaning, it will happen at most, once every 3 seconds. I loved the idea but bite was kinda outa place.

Unlike any of the items you said, i would do something like... oh i don't know.. 6 plate mails!! 60 armor would ensure your tanking abilities while making flame burst and feather storm own enemies like crazy! Maybe you could make it rather than just armor, half armor and half hp?

39 By evoblade 2007-08-27

very baddddddddddd i dont like who can like this tell me only you creator huuuuuuuuuuuuuuh fresh meet

40 By chukdy 2007-10-27

Kwahh! A cool hero I like the carry skill!

41 By AXCELACCEL 2007-11-21

nice like it

42 By Cloudzstrife 2007-12-06

Nice idea but your stats are a bit too low. still nice though 9.5/10