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Gagdish The Furious - Raging Paladin

Created by stoyo on 2007-05-30
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Once known as Gagdish The Righteous: a pious paladin. But his burning hatred to the scourge slowly overwhelmed him. He was banned from his order but still obsessed with hate, he sees his redemption in killing the agents of the scourge. Unable to use his paladin skills Gagdish learned to manage his fury to aid him in battle. He is known to sence the location of his enemies and carefully plan his ambush. But once he charges he succumbs to his rage and is completely unstoppable. Yet there are moments when Gagdish sences the contradiction guiding his life and seeks atonement in prayer.

Agony (q)
Gagdish The Furious is able to focus his hatred to a target, causing it excruciating pain and agony. Silences and slows target's movement speed by 20%. Casting time 0.5 seconds. If marked target approaches during this time the spell is interrupted and Gagdish charges. Does 100 bonus damage to marked target. Casting range is 650.
Level 1 - 50 damage, 1 second duration.
Level 2 - 75 damage, 1.25 seconds duration
Level 3 - 100 damage, 1.5 seconds duration
Level 4 - 150 damage, 2 seconds duration
Mana Cost: 90/105/120/135
Cooldown: 14

Framework: Target should have exclamation mark above its head, and the target's screen should go completely red when agony is cast and then slowly the red blur will fade away. The entire process should take place in the silence duraiton. That meens that the player who's hero is in agony won't be able to see anything on the screen. The target would be able to move and attack during the spell.

Notes: Kinda like a stun, but not exactly. Compared to storm bolt it's much less effective but i made it weaker because it's much, much more annoying. The enemy can move, although a bit slower, so he's probably going to run away. That's why you should try to anticipate the direction of the fleeing enemy to intercept him. It is best used from an ambush position, so the enemy wouldn't know where you are.

Mark (r)
Gagdish sets his sight on his next victim. Gagdish is able to see the marked victim on the mini-map at all times but if he comes within 450 of it he charges uncontrollably. Limited to only one target. Lasts until Gagdish atones himself. One second casting time. Killing marked target gives bonus gold. Casting range and mana cost improves per level.
Level 1 - 20% more gold, 500 casting range, 150 mana.
Level 2 - 40% more gold 600 casting range, 180 mana.
Level 3 - 60% more gold, 700 casting range, 200 mana.
Level 4 - 80% more gold, 800 casting range, 220 mana.
Mana Cost: 150/180/200/220
Cooldown: N/A

Framework: Gagdish should be able to see the target on the mini map like a dot. The target itself doesn't have a buff so the only way to say if it's marked or not, is to see Gagdish marking it. When he charges Gagdish gains bloodlust-like appearance.

Notes: The reason i made the bonus gold so much is because Gagdish completely lacks a farming skill. Also it might take a lot of time to succesfuly ambush a specific enemy, so he's probably going to spend a lot of time just walking around. Mark doesn't have a cooldown: when cast, it changes icon to farseer's far sight and can't be cast again until Gagdish casts his ultimate. Charge should stop and player should regain control of the hero if the target Wind-Walks. And if marked, invisible enemy enters the charge trigger zone, Gagdish shold not charge.

Red Haze ()
Gagdish lets the rage take over him. Improves his combat abilities during a charge.
Level 1 - +10% damage, +10% IAS, +6% IMS.
Level 2 - +15% damage, +20% IAS, +8% IMS.
Level 3 - +20% damage, +30% IAS, +10% IMS.
Level 4 - +30% damage, +40% IAS, +12% IMS.
passive
Mana Cost: N/A
Cooldown: N/A

Notes: Activates while in charge. To trigger a charge this skill is not necessary.

Atonement (e)
Gagdish atones his sins and is free from his rage. While praying a 400 area around Gagdish heals allies and damages enemies while Gagdish himslef is invulnerable. Two seconds casting time. Channeling.
Level 1 - 20 HP and DPS for 5 seconds
Level 2 - 40 HP and DPS for 7 seconds
Level 3 - 60 HP and DPS for 9 seconds
Mana Cost: 160/180/200
Cooldown: 100/90/80

Framework: Gagdish stops charging immediately when the player presses the button then channels for two seconds and after that, the spell takes effect. Should look like keeper of the grove's ultimate.

Notes: The heal and damage is no big deal but this skill is the only way to stop a charge, and charge sometimes means certain death. Could help a big team battle with the heal and damage but it's dangerous because of the casting time.

Discussion:

Synergies

First mark the target Mark . Prepare the ambush carefully and then Agony to confuse your enemy. It's tricky though because you will want to get close enough to be able to get to you enemy while he is still slowed but not too close to charge before you cast it. While he is slowed just close in so charge will kick in and the more ranks in Rage you have the better. If the enemy is able to escape you will keep on chasing him untill he out of the 450 trigger area of charge. This could be dangerous because he could lead you to a counter gank. So your only mean of salvation is Atonement .

That's your killer combo (and only combo).

Team clashes

If your target is not marked you are pretty much useles but still your Agony could confuse (and annoy) a single enemy. In big team battles your Atonement could be useful if the battle takes place on a set location. Like if your team is defending or attacking a tower. Then just approach the tower and atone. In late game, when everyone starts team pushing you could charge the strongest hero in the enemy team and kill him with support from your allies. Then Atonement and Mark mark someone else.

Recommended items

Mask of Madness this could help you chase.

Helm of the Dominator Satanic Vladmir`s Offering any life steal item would be useful because of your high damage output. With enough life steal you could even kill your marked target if his allies are present and get away.

Lothar`s Edge this might be your core item. Lets you cast agony without revealing your location. If the enemy doesn't know where you are he wouldn't know which way to run.

The Butterfly because you are AGI.

Buriza-do Kyanon to boost your damage even further.

Sange&Yasha for chasing.

Black King Bar in late games - avoid being stunned by one of your marked target's allies.

Dreambuild

Power Treads Mask of Madness

Lothar`s Edge The Butterfly

Buriza-do Kyanon Linken`s Sphere

couldn't figure how to use the inventory table:(

Skill builds
I guess you should max first Agony and stats because Mark is completely useless early game. If you mark your lane opponent before you can possibly think of killing him it will result in your death. Imagine you go for last hit, he gets close too and then Gagdish charges. You opponent of course would run to his tower and start circling it until you are dead. So only mark target that you are sure you can catch up with and kill quickly. So that's no marking before any ranks in Rage . Or instead of stats you could gain few levels in Mark and Rage early game just to help you start killing late early to mid game. You could just take one rank of Mark because it's enough to initiate a charge so you could get bonus from Rage . So raising Mark above level 1 would just give you more money per kill and could help marking someone without him noticing. The ulti could just be used to heal yourself above level 6 but it's mere 100 points of heal at 1st level. So it should be used only to stop charges until team pushing starts. So you don't need it before you start charging.Another build is skip Agony as the damage is no big deal anyway and go straight to Mark and Rage . Dunno if it's gonna work though. In that case you should gain just one level of Mark and max Rage and stats ASAP to increase killing potential of early charge.So there are basicly three ways to go:

1 2 3

Level 1
Level 2	stats
Level 3
Level 4	stats		stats
Level 5
Level 6
Level 7
Level 8			stats
Level 9			stats
Level 10			stats
Level 11
Level 12			stats
Level 13			stats
Level 14			stats
Level 15		stats	stats
Level 16
Level 17		stats...	whatever from here...
Level 18	stats...

In case one you start charging at level 9, in case 2 and three at level 6

Best allies

This should be someone that could stop you while charging:

Furion - The Prophet Medusa - The Gorgon

Or anyone using this:

Diffusal Blade

Or someone (what's with the font!?! dunno how to make it look like the above one) that could increase your damage or speed:

Syllabear - The Lone Druid Aggron Stonebreaker - The Ogre Magi Magnus - The Magnataur Shendelzare Silkwood - The Vengeful Spirit Ezalor - The Keeper of the Light

Worst enemies

People that could outlast you outdamage you, or have a long enought stun to escape your charge. Blinkers could also escape your charge.

Raigor Stonehoof - The Earthshaker Ulfsaar - The Ursa Warrior Rexxar - The Beastmaster Jah’rakal - The Troll Warlord Bradwarden - The Centaur Warchief Banehallow - The Lycanthrope Balanar - The Night Stalker King Leoric - The Skeleton King

Lucifer - The Doom Bringer Slardar - The Slithereen Guard Leviathan - The Tidehunter Crixalis - The Sand King Abaddon - The Lord of Avernus Magina - The Anti-Mage Akasha - The Queen of Pain

Heavy nukers could also be a problem:

Zeus - Lord of Olympia Lina Inverse - The Slayer Lion - The Demon Witch

Conclusion

Gagdish is a mid game hero. As long everyone is pushing in their own lane or neutral creeping or trying to gank he can succesfully kill his lonesome marked opponents. Once team pushing starts and everyone moves in a group you should be fed enough. Otherwise you could initiate a team attack and charge the strongest enemy hero wile your allies support you but you'll probably be the first target of your enemies.

Changelog:

2007-06-08: INT gain was increased to 1.6 (was 1.2 before) STR and AGI gains were decreased accordingly. Added bonus damage to marked target for agony and clarified the tooltip. The bonus gold from mark was nerfed to 80% at level 4 (was 100%). Third skill is now called red haze (was rage before). The mana cost for atonement was lowered significantly (was 200/300/400 before) and cooldown was increased at lower levels. Removed Eul's scepter of Divinity from the bes allies section.

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1 By t0xicity 2007-05-31

i agree with dARK_StAr_27

this hero is pretty fukin cool
he aint imba but he aint shit

im a lil confused as to agony, so if ur casting agony and the enemy hero moves toward you you charge at them?
no smart person would let you cast it, other than that he is very straight foward
i like the modifications to track(mark)
and omni's ulti(atonement) well thought through

10/10

2 By Shimrra_3 2007-05-31

This is quite like the one I made, (Raging Goblin) but with obvious differences. I think its fairly balanced, but, three main issues with skills and two notes on your items (so far):
1. Agony is not useful. Buff it up a lot, maybe increase the damage by a bit and the duration by 1-2 seconds, OR make it a bigger slow, OR make it easier to spam (lower mana cost and cooldown) or a combination of the above.
2. Mark should have a huge cooldown. At least an average ultimate's cooldown, not nothing.
3. Atonement should have 60 at all levels, 20 for five seconds is pathetic for 200 mana. That said, possibly lower the mana cost on lower levels. Oh. Does he HAVE 400 mana at lvl16, he gains 1.2 Int per level which is lousy... rethink the stats on this but its a good skill.
4. Mask of Madness is also Lifesteal, not just to chase. Very good DPS item.
5. Using ANY spell, including Agony, stops Windwalk. Not a viable tactic.
OK, despite the criticism, this is a perfectly good hero, I recommend you fix it before too many people notice the things I've said (sorry, I had to :P). I also will rate after more comments. Good luck.

3 By got milk? 2007-05-31

Well, i like it. It is strange (but still cool) But i also agree with Shimrra_3 he's not imba, but needs work. He can be a little weak. Kinda suicidal runs like BloodSeeker. Mark is like Axes Berserker's call, he does anything just to attack and charge the target. Right?

4 By drew 2007-05-31

Everyone please refrain from commenting if you're only after "being the first to comment". If you want your comment to stay, please say something useful.

5 By Matthaeus 2007-05-31

It's good. Not imba but its not supposed to. It just has to be nicely balanced to other heroes.
Looks like he lacks a bit too much mana though.

6 By mikorkeza 2007-05-31

Wow this hero is Cool!!

I like atonement and rage!!!

Good job!!

9.7/10

7 By Shimrra_3 2007-05-31

Lol @ drew.
Seriously, Agony is useless to get... y'know, get at lvl22? 150 + medium slow + medium silence - tactical value = none. Buff it. And everything else I said. Like the probable lack of mana.

8 By bloodlust6969 2007-05-31

good job! bloodlust likes hero idea. bloodlust likes the ulti. bloodlust gives 10/10

9 By awiens11 2007-05-31

It sounds like you wouldn't have much control over your hero... How long does the charge last?

10 By stoyo 2007-05-31

ok
@t0xicity: yes, the idea is to cast it from an ambush position.
@Shimrra_3:
1. well, while in agony the player can't see anything on the screen! i think this is worst than a stun. but i could increase the damage a bit, if more of you guys think its too little.
2. the only use of mark having a cooldown would be to prevent mark, atone and mark someone else in short succession. given all the casting times it looks kinda risky. so i don't see why you think it should have a cooldown.
3. yes, it's pathetic but i think the main use for it will be the invulnerability. i added the damage and heal just to be useful in team battles. however i'm willing to change this. the mana issue too. i didn't actually calculate it. i could increase the int gain a bit (something like 1.5 to 1.7, maybe?) he doesn't have any spammable skills so, no use for a big manapool.
4. yes:)
5. yes, but you have a bigger chance to cast agony without the enemy seeing your position before his screen gets all red.
@got_milk: he can be a lot week. if you get pawned a few times early game, you might end up completely useless.
@Matthaeus: as i said, i'll give him a bit more int gain, but not too much since he has nothing to spam (i see the main use for agony is to disorientate the enemy, not to deal damage, but as i said, i could increase the damage a bit - something like 200 at level 4?)
@awiens11: yes, the only order you can issue while charging is to cast his ulti. charge it lasts until the marked target is within the trigger range (450) and is visible (like windwalk or something)

here's an idea, how about if agony deals bonus damage to marked target, to compensate for the risk of charging during the casting time. say like 150?

i bet this is the longest comment you've seen
sorry
thank you for the words of encouragment and criticism

11 By Tokemus 2007-05-31

This hero looks hella hard to use O_O It'll take some experienced DOTA players to master this one... nice hero :) 9.4534526/10

12 By elrich 2007-05-31

The Skill is imba...on the 100% gold...i'ts like track... to powerfull

13 By Shimrra_3 2007-06-01

Hmm, you haven't mentioned 'the player can't see anything on the screen!' on that skill. Explained the other comments fine, but that one I remain suspicious of. Possible solution: for the same duration, can only see a 200/175/150/125 radius and gets no allied vision, or something similar. I dunno. Modify that one and I'll rate.
Oh. I reeeeally think you should look at the 'Raging Goblin' idea. Draw a few lines between them...

14 By stoyo 2007-06-01

@elrich: well, imagine how this hero is going to farm. 1st skill does damage to 1 target; 2nd i 3rd - for heroes only; ulti does too little damage. so, the entire game he is farming with last hitting; no attack speed bonuses, no damage bonuses, just regular attack.
the bonus gold is because i want to make people playing with him more agressive. so if you're farming bottom and you see you're marked target top - you go there and don't think about the gold and exp you'll lose while walking around.
usually the entire game the gold you get from creeps is huge compared to the gold you get from other heroes. in normal 40 minute game you can easily have more than 100 creep kills (in the worst case!). that's about 4k gold. how many heroes do you have to kill to get that amount? if you kill high level heroes about 12-15. this is substantial for 40 min. now think about goblin's greed...
@Shimrra_3: speaking of goblins... i'm not fond of permabashers but that goblin has a good potential to be one. compared to this guy, he just rages. gagdish rages AT something, his rage is better managed and focused. they both have similar killing tactic - rush and try to kill as quickly as possible, but again this guy focuses at killing someone specific. (OMG he has lower int gain than someone with "stupidity" as his 2nd skill!).
about agony: you think it's too strong if the player can't see anything or you think it can't be programmed? in the first case keep in mind that while in agony you can run away or auto attack. so whether it's useful or not depends on the situation. knowing that it blinds the player, do you still think it should do more damage. what about the bonus damage to marked target.
if the second case: who cares, he's never gonna be in the game anyway...

i would appreciate ideas about this hero. tell me what you think is imbalanced (both ways) or if you think i should completely change something
hf

15 By Shimrra_3 2007-06-01

??????? AGAIN? WHAT BONUS DAMAGE?? Seriously, the skill doesn't mention that... or the 'not seeing anything on the screen' bit that is also not mentioned. Agony extras, I have no idea. Buff what the skill has, add bonus damage, kill his vision, something, I dunno. BUT: Marked Hero + Rage (you shouldn't've called it Rage, N'aix has Rage) = basically Fury Path off Raging Goblin - gets bonuses to attack speed, damage, and movespeed and attacks a target hero dot dot dot.

16 By stoyo 2007-06-01

@Shimrra_3: "target's screen should go completely red for the duration seconds of silence" - the way i see, it says player shouldn't be able to see anything on the screen.
the bonus damage to marked target is not mentioned. i got the idea from t0xicity's comment and mentioned it in my first comment.
you are right about rage. didn't thought of that. should be changed.
"BUT" is right. they're the same.
hf

17 By Bard Man 2007-06-01

Bard man has come. Let the trial of the Raging Paladin begin....

Agony: Ok, this is a good enough skill if comboed right. It really doesn't need more damage. (The screen can be blotted red, but I've only seen it done for a half a second.) The silence + thwe loss of vision is more then enough to make it good.

Mark: This is very nice.Kinda like a mix of Axe's Berserker's Call and the suicidal chases people go on in the case of a fleeing hero.(Done with more then just Bloodseeker.) Not sure if I approve of the bonus gold. You could easily get Battlefury for better farming. Still, if you don't wanna get Battlefury, it works out great. The fact tht you can watch them on the mini map can really screw up ganks. This could be very dangerous if they lead ou into the base and the ult is down. At that point, you're dog meat. Still, I like it.

Rage: Good synergy with your suicide charge. Makes it alot scarier if you end up getting charged. You should chane the name to something like 'Hatred' or something since Nai'x has Rage.

Atonement: The only way to keep you from charging into your own grave. Very scary thought that I'd be screwed when it's cooling down. Still, it has a low cooldown, so it's all good. The healing & damage are very nice. Combine the DPS fith a raidiance, and people will be running like scared children. Combine this guy with other healers.Holy Knight, Omni knight, Shadow Priest..) It'd be an uber team-up. It'd also be good combined with Darchrow's Blackhole.

Quick sidenote: You can't use Cyclone or sprout on allies.

Final Thought: A good hero idea a hell of alot of detail. If they don't put this guy in, then Icefrog will have to deal with a very angry bard.

P.S.: The longest comment I've ever seen would be one of mine left for the Elemental Master.

18 By durahan007 2007-06-02

what version is this???

19 By durahan007 2007-06-02

20 By Shimrra_3 2007-06-03

OK. Ordinarily I might say 'I can't believe I missed that' but you put all those things in really screwed up places that I woulda never found without guidelines. Dot dot dot. Now that I know what's going on: Agony should have bonus damage to Marked hero (make it target only heroes like Doom's Lvl Death), and maybe red for half a second (like Bard Man said). Skill suddenly fine. Change 'Rage'... hmm looks alright now. Still needs SOME kind of change, I'll keep waiting.
P.S. @ Bard Man & stoyo = the longest comments are to be found on Greedygood's I HUNGER!! guide for N`aix. Nah nah.

21 By Firesky 2007-06-03

at first i thought his skills were imbalanced but now i see that the duration isnt permanent like i thought the story is good however paladins dont rage EVER! but thts really not important i like that. it reminds me of shimras raging goblin without aspd from hell gj
8 or 9 /10

22 By Doom Dragon 2007-06-03

Is this available in DotA now? If it is, well its great! Very happy for me!

23 By stoyo 2007-06-04

@Bard Man: i like your analysis. You can sprout allies, you turned out to be right about the cyclone though - which makes me wonder about the purge from diffusal...
@Shimrra_3: changes will be made soon (just want more people to say what they think). if someone is stupid enough to cast agony on a creep i say he deserves to be allowed to.
@durahan007 and Doom Dragon: this is the hero ideas section, so they are more like hero suggestions. not that any of them has made it to the game actually... people just enjoy coming up with these ideas. maybe to dream what it would be like and to share it with others.

ok
these are the changes i've decided to make and explanations why:
1. INT gain will be increased to 1.6 on account of STR and AGI gain. his mana gain is way too low now. at level 16 he won't be able to cast agony and atonement in a row.
2. Agony will do +100 damage to target that has been marked. the duration of the screen being red will remain the same, however the red blur will slowly fade after half of the duration until it vanishes completely (the full duration). two seconds of unawareness of anything on the screen really sounds scary, plus the bonus damage makes it stronger.
3. The bonus gold from mark will be nerfed to 80% at level 4. due to popular demand.
4. Rage's name will be changed.
5. The mana cost on atonement will be lowered (say 250 on level 3) on account of it's cooldown, which will decrease per level ending at the current 80 seconds. the ulti should be used cleverly, with the player's main concern being timing, not crazy mana regen, which this hero doesn't really need, as he has nothing to spam. and 400 mana for his INT gain is waaay too much (even with the new one i suggested).

thanks to everyone that has commented for pointing to me the flaws of this idea. keep up the feedback

24 By generjason.next 2007-06-04

25 By zihir 2007-06-05

about the first skill,,
"the target's screen should go completely red for the duration seconds of silence"
does that mean that the target can't see anything???

26 By stoyo 2007-06-05

@zihir: yes, yes, although he can click through the red blur.

27 By got milk? 2007-06-07

Hmm, since Mark requires the ulti to be stopped, nerf the ulti and give it a better cd. Just so you can charge alot with no worry about dieing or running to enemies fountain...

28 By Bard Man 2007-06-09

Bard Man again.

Quick statement: Purge does work on allies, but it doesn't slow them. It only removes buffs.

29 By Jyruz 2007-06-15

hello guys... can someone tell me wat map to get to try this hero??

30 By mance435 2007-06-16

Ulti is too weak: 60 HP * 9 secs.=540 HP/ damage.

31 By boredguy 2007-06-22

very nice! it's not imba! interesting idea!

32 By Foowanko 2007-06-22

That's one really cheap (mana-wise) ultimate for tons of healing and damage.

33 By lo0lo 2007-06-28

....the 1st(agony)at lv 4=150 dmg?....with buriz,mom,lothar&lifesteal item= when a hero coming just agony and???dead??if u add cuirass this cool paladin=???
btw it's a cool hero^^,i like it

34 By lo0lo 2007-06-29

i'm sorry,i think your damage +150 to marked hero or creep
(sorry for doublepost)

35 By Chuck_Norris720 2007-07-03

Invincibility for 9 seconds for his ult lvl 4??? Are you sure thats fair???

36 By stoyo 2007-07-18

@ Chuck_Norris720 and mance435 read each other's comments:)

37 By Dota-Fool 2007-08-15

Wasn't really that great, I mean, half your skills are simply 'charging', I mean, if you don't get a speed bonus for this, then this hero just sucks. Plus, the Ult is pretty crap, but then again, his normal stats are pretty good, but he's a bit too much Int, and not enough Str, I mean a charger is ideally Str becuz otherwise there ain't enough HP to last

38 By k528462113 2007-08-18

Nice, pretty decent for a suicidal hero. I hope this hero will be approved. I would love to try this one out, pretty fond of suicidal heroes, really. Makes you wanna be that greedy noob that you really are. Ha Ha. ^_^ I'm very excited. ciao!

39 By xPwnis 2007-08-27

I hate the first skill
I play DoTA to have fun, and with that skill, it's just gonna piss you off no matter what, I see more people leaving games because of this skill, TDA or not.

40 By Djntestin 2007-10-18

well i didn't read others comments, but i say there is no such thing as a "darkside" paladin, with hatred and stuff... may be a fallen knight or somthin'. the paladin by definition is the defender of all the good and holy, which in this case it doesn't seem like this to me..."hatred" does not work with "paladin" :)

41 By chukdy 2007-10-27

Hmm... I guess he's cool.

42 By AXCELACCEL 2007-11-21

cool!

43 By stoyo 2007-12-01

@Djntestin: oh, come on: "...is that a helmet? vanity!..." and so on. that just screams hatred. paladins are really mentally ill. with all that bullshit about rightousness and the like. of course there's hatred in that package!

44 By kataxristis21 2007-12-22

45 By ParaZito 2008-03-17

what a hero!!!!!

46 By fiovn 2008-06-06

What a hero.
Dam dealer, killer.
If he has a stunning skill, he will be unbeatable