Ar'Dretholiss - The Dracolich

Blizzard is not original and Freezing Salvo is a bit imba...all the rest is good

A ranged strength. Make him intelligence, since he has 500 range and his skills are for mages, if I am mistakin'. Increase the mana cost of ultimate, change the blizzard skill.

very nice but i dont like first magic

First of all ranged STR hero is imba. I don't care about Blizzard being unoriginal, just that it's at best a farming skill but channeled. Having to rely on teammates' immobilisers to only get enemies with this is plain bad hero design. Freezing Skin is simply permanent Frost Armor, which is ok for me. But reduce the slow % big time and kill the hp regen. And white tinge, omg? For a pretty usual cold slow effect, why not just the usual blue? Ice Wall, is it like Fissure? Or is it summoned perpendicular to casting direction, which is what it think it is? You have to clarify. And finally the icons. Man! Why do people go out of their way to use original icons when existing ones can do better? Most of the Lich's icons can be reused here. Think of the kilobytes you'd save on the DotA map if this actually made it in there (which is a tough sell for me..)

Well... the thing is I wanted to make a Frost Wyrm hero, but not make it a slightly different copy of Jakiro... so thats why he's STR instead of INT. Unless you think I should simply swap the primary to INT and leave the stat gain the way it is... but the thing with that is it then looks like Ogre Magi. I'm trying to do things differently. *Shrug* If hes the ONE AND ONLY ranged STR, so be it. Freezing Salvo COULD have an increased mana cost, but I'm not tempted to take this off for fixes after it took 2 months to be posted. Any other changes, MORE DETAIL PLEASE, I dunno what most of your complaints about Blizzard mean for example. Keep the coments coming...

Oops double post - blairdude, you posted while I was typing my last comment, extremely annoying. I was wondering if anyone'd catch how imba Freezing Skin was. I think you're absolutely right about that one. The 'white tinge' is an affect on HIM, though, not enemies. The enemies DO get the effect you mentioned, of course. The Icewall is a directable AOE. Circular target, icicles appear where you targeted, simple. And... no-one I've ever seen has complained about original icons or kilobytes. Honestly, that won't put a dent in anything. I am shocked that anyone could think to complain about how it MIGHT SLOW THE GAME DOWN... someone tell him to get a grip please? Nevermind I'm kidding. Interesting points about the first two skills though. Thank you.

A Ranged STR hero. It will be fine if you make the stats a little different. Less STR gain per level, more on others. Why? For this to be a "special case" hero. STR heroes are not meant to eb ranged because they are supposed take the damage dealt to them by the enemy. Having high HP + a range disadvantage is a no-no, as it is very very imbalanced. Also, a high movespeed on a ranged hero is a no-no. Blizzard is so-so. Reduce freezing skin slow to melee heroes. Make it the same as the slow for the ranged. Ice wall manacost too high. Reduce to 120. Area of icewall? Freezing Salvo = more powerful frost nova. Suggest a remake for a better skill.

Oh yeah. I don't mind the icons. Some are blurry though. And some lack the border. But I don't mind really.

Blizzard is way 2 weak and unoriginal jack it up dont channel it n increase dmg just a lil 25 to 35 or something of the sort
Freezing skin is a passive frost armor on steroids(imba)
ice wall is fine (basically rift from raigors fissure)
Freezing Salvo 500 dmg 200 nova dmg 40% slow 1.5 times bigger than dual breath thats huge and 300 aoe 4 nova dmg outside of the breath, dude thats like 1/2 a lane 700 dmg cap w/ a slow wayyy 2 imbalanced nerf it alot area is fine if dmg gets way nerfed and dmg is a lil powerful but ill deal w/ it if area nerfed down to regular dual breath size at the least o btw ranged and str. dont mix n his skills scream high mana cost int. hero

Good hero 'cept theres no way in the world it should be STR!!! It's a spellcaster FGS! Ice Wall? Blizzard? Freezing Salvo? They are all spells there is no way a STR hero could do this it's completely stupid. Good skills etc. But prim attribute is completely duffed. Rethink his stats etc.

Not really original skills but thats okay. I really don't think blizzard is very useful at all. Okay hero but i think some changes would help. 6/10, Can you icewall your team mates? that'd be cool

Ice Wall basically creates a 400AOE pilar of ice that no-one can go through. So, yes, you can screw your allies with this.

nice ulti XD but blizzard is not your original move T.T

This is just a copy of Jakiro, not much of a difference accept for the ice things.

I never said it was MY original move, I said it was ARCHMAGE'S. Learn to read... YOU learn to read too! I said I was AVOIDING similarities to Jakiro!!! @#%#^$^%!@!!!! Omg guys honestly.

Um, four seconds channel for only 400 damage? a person could easily just walk out of there and wait until you're done and you just burned 180 mana. or you could get stunned because it lasts 4 seconds, thats a lot of time.

Hmmhmm, I've been noticing that. I think I'm going to remake this - obviously at this point - and change the ult to a heavy disabler with moderate damage, and THAT isn't channeling. So then drop the Blizzard while they're trapped... But, guys, anyone, tell me how to modify this without sending it back to 'pending' status...

dis is not original and da frost armor thingy is too imba its like betta dan dk's

Can SOMEONE tell me how to fix this up without sending it back to pending status? Please? Because the last time I did that it took 2 months before it got reposted. And now its on page 3 and no-one knows. So can SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW???

I don't know how. Btw, the kilobytes thing was just sarcasm, and the ugly icons deserve it. Oh I see, Ice Wall is like Furion's Sprout? My only problem with Blizzard is that you will need a stun or a slow-enough slow to complement it, which is better skill synergy. Other than that, it's a good farming skill but not suitable as a hero killing skill. And to add what jake said, all these mana-intensive skills are not typical of a STR hero. So either change to INT or change the skills (and make him melee). Perhaps a passive, orb or autocast attack? Hope this helps.

Weeeeell, I am considering a remake like I said. INT, swap INT/STR gains, change ult to a heavy disabler/slower. But I am NOT bringing this to 'pending status' because the other one took soooooo long. So he stays like this until someone stumbles in here with the knowledge I've been requesting. Oh, and I collect more ideas on how to fix him too.

Oops - clarification, Ice Wall targets like Sprout but it doesn't trap things in the middle, it pushes them away from the middle. I think I should increase the duration...

Well this is the best hero that i saw! but i think the ice wall duration should be reduced because the dracolich skill is already strong. Imagine you put a hero who has no blink or a short range! when you combo the icewall and then the blizzard and then the freezing salvo! no hero can took that power except for abaddon. i think it would be better if the freezing salvo has a damage of 100,200,300 and a nova damage of 75, 150, 200. And a STRENGTH-range type! that's too much it would be best to make it int type. THis is a great hero and i hope the dota creators would implement this near 6. blah blah blah..... thats is all!

Thx, but that damage is pathetic. I wanna either increase the mana cost - especially if its gonna be an INT hero - OR change it to a heavy disabler (like I said).

HELLO PEOPLES! I FIXED HIM UP NOW - its all good. I think. Hope. Y'know, the usual, tell me what you think please...

INT Draco's been up for a whole week, I waited a whole week, and you spam me. Can someone with, y'know, a BRAIN look at this again please? Appreciate it.

I really like this hero overall, of course the whole 'Blizzard ability' and 'Jakiro' thing ppl are bitching about, but w.e that's okay, and since u changed it to int, i think the hero is much more balanced and that's great But i think u should add a 6th item to the final build

I don't know what to put in there, I haven't used him yet!

jakiro and lich in one.. sounds good

I really wish all those people who asked for the STR-INT change WOULD COME AND LOOK!!! FOOOOOLSSSSSS *sigh*

blizzard: farming skill. As strong as an illuminate at that. A bit meh for not original. Freezing skin: weak corrosive skin. Doesn't really help this hero much(if only this was another nuke). Ice wall, how wide are lanes, anyway? they would at least be 800 units wide, I suggest a chill effect around the Ice wall(make them slower when moving near it). Freezing salvo: I'm confused if this is a nova type attack or a breath attack(has nova damage but framework is a breath attack?) Lower the cooldowns a bit to 110/90/70/60. Stats are fine. Overall: Okay rendition of a frost wyrm. Remids me of KOTL except it has a nuke now.

That is basically it. You've got it all right. I think I should rebuff the Skin with some of the armor it had or regen. Maybe add a slow to Ice Wall? I feel like doing those modifications, but I DO want another opinion or two first... (someone else comment so my head doesn't explode)

Adding armor to skin would be good -- a passive frost armor. A slow effect near the pillar? Sounds a bit funny, like it radiates cold.. I like its basic function which is obstruction plain and simple, so if you insist on modifying I suggest an interesting variation of the same: summon several small pillars in an area, creating something like a field of ice stalagmites. Makes movement difficult, slowing down enemies well enough (without resorting to an actual slow effect). Plus if the area is crowded, an unlucky enemy could be trapped in the field. What do you think?

*sudden realization!!* Hey if you implement that, I think I would start to really like this hero! It would be a very original skill. A nice synergy with Blizzard too. It's up to you of course..

I like that, that sounds sweet. I think I'll put that in but up the mana cost and cooldown by loads. Maybe one more opinion.

Fixed again! COME BACK HERE!!

I realise I need to be more detailed on the Icicles ability. But LOOK FIRST.

Thanks to Icicles alone, originality score for this hero goes up, for the new kind of strategies it would evoke. Nevermind it was my idea. :) I'm as pleased as a biased dude can be, so I leave this for others to comment.

Lol. You're right of course. Oh well. Its myyyyy hero though (muwhahahahaha). Again, someone come comment on this before I think its a two person page... ie only two people ever read it.

Increase duration of freezing skin for 3 or 4 seconds.

Whaa? That'd be way too imba... I think. Maybe. Or not. Anyone agree or disagree?

i'd refer aegis is the last item for this very cosy but very good because of it's freezing skin

maybe refresher orb is good to because of it's long cooldown of skill

Hmm, fair point with the Refresher Orb. Is anyone going to comment on the hero design or do I kill myself now?

Looks like I kill myself...

give him an orb effect as a first skill ......a normal attack that looks like chain frost and has slow

I like the white draco-lich design. Perhaps if he was spilling out clouds of frosty-haze...
Cool hero - perhaps a bit too much like the Lich as far as theme goes, but still cool.
His ulti would destroy

omg crazy ulti that would own

wicked!

All is good, only the ultime is imbalanced. Hope to see this hero soon, ciao!

Good hero!!!!He is truly amazing!

its kinda cool but its too big you cant see the other creeps behind you and it will lag may 3 seconds

Yay is good now.

blizzard make a little stronger. reg game is for noob grunts and footmen. freezing skin look at lich ice armor. keep slow for the lich ice armor but make armor weaker a lil if u keep passive or make just same as lich if u make active. icicle make sumthin so that the enemy will know ur casting like blue inner fire on top of them? lol. Ult. take frost nova and make it the nova dmg. maybe 200 300 400 is ok for the wave then

the blizzard shouldnt be channeling it should be like alchemists acid,but its not orriginal,if you wanna keep this hero str,then change that to something like-Ar'Dretholiss's breath is so cold that any neighbouring units feel its affects.so level 4 bonuus 50 slash damage or maybe no splash damage just 20% slow or something

the blizzard shouldnt be channeling it should be like alchemists acid,but its not orriginal,if you wanna keep this hero str,then change that to something like-Ar'Dretholiss's breath is so cold that any neighbouring units feel its affects.so level 4 bonuus 50 slash damage or maybe no splash damage just 20% slow or something

very nice background story

armor seems a little high for a ranged int hero but all the other stats and stat gains are fine

does blizzard slow as well as damage? if so then the damage should be reduced because 480 dmg is a lot, mana cost and cooldown are fine

freezing skin is fine and balanced

does icicles trap or slow? it can't be both, does it create barriers and the barriers have a frost effect? should be explained a little better.

for freezing salvo, why would you have the

dual breath framework? it makes more sense just to have the frost nova framework since it only has 1 target and will affect the aoe around that.

for icicles, the mana cost shoudl be reduced, especially since it doesn't do any damage and slows minimally (depending on how fast and how many icicles fall)

your whiteish frost wyrm looks a bit green to me, it should be tinged blue since it started out blue, and you could fade the blue as you level up the armor, that would be really cool

my skill build would be
B 1/3/5/7
FS 2/4/8/9
I 17-20
Ulti 6/11/16
Stats 10/12-15/21-25
I don't think Icicles will be too useful early game and it costs a lot of mana, I think it will help more duing the big team clashes that will occur later in the game

the killing combo makes sense, although leading off with your ulti could be a waste if you don't get the kill, maybe use it when they try to run after the slow from the icicles wears off

for items I wouldn't get Basilius since you can

get armor from freezing skin, the mana regen from the sobe mask will also be more than the set amount in mid and late game

BoT are good, especially since he has 2 spells which will require targeting an are

what is the casting range for Blizzard?

aghanim's is good, guinsoo is good

skadi is unnecessary imo since he already has 2 slows (maybe 3 if blizzard does) so the cold attack from skadi is wasted and there are much better things to buy

linkens is good for the regen

you might

orchid since the high mana regen will help a lot, also euls

shivas is bad imo since it is just another slow and the armor won't help that much

allies are good, enemies are good, except armor won't protect you from nukes, only magic resistance will do that

somewhat creative, ulti could be more original (it's just a more powerful frost nova), prety balanced
7/10

ultimate killer!!!
in other words... IMBA