Natalya - The Cold Maiden

First comment!? I think you might want to tone down the psionic blades attack; it essentially doubles her damage because the target takes both her melee and the aura damage. AND she farms with it on all surrounding creeps. I love the idea for the ult, but again it might need toning down. Just at level 1, after a short skirmish, you could smash a target for 770 damage (between the initial damage, the DoT which the stuns/slows ensure they get stuck in, and the dragon flight itself). Add a couple regular attacks during their stun, and you have upwards of 1000 damage on a level 1 ult's combo. Great ideas though!

pfffff i didin like it

erm... if u had two the same clickable items like refresher or guinsoo, and u click one the other will also start working at the same time. So it is not possible to refresh refresher by the refresher as i is not possible to turn two targets into sheep with two guinsoo. Correct me if i am wrong.

Looks nice. Can kill but can be easily killed......

Wow way to short a cooldown on ulti (actually 10 seconds dragon flight cooldown) very high damage very fast, Im sorry but I have to say it... IMBA

@Venter
Mana Cost + Duration on blade shield is designed to make it something you don't get till late mid-game
ult cannot do 1000+ at level 1
charge one does 160-(25%+ item spell resistes)
charge 2 does 100-300 (200 medium) once again -spell resistance
charge 3 can do 150 -spell resists

base damage is you damage before +dmg and possibly stats.

@the_unseen
yes you are right
@quadro
I don't care
@zdeczone
lol yes thats why its a noob build
@NagasAteMyBaby
if you want the 3 seconds disable at level 3 you need to be wacking them for 15 seconds first. and the damage peaks at 600(if you get lucky)-spell resistance at level 3

Everything Ghost said is completely correct. The second charge replaces the first and the third replaces the second: you only get one of them active. The thing is the more powerful one is the third because of the AOE slow and damage - as he said, you need to get three charges for that and that indeed means attacking for 15 seconds first. And it can only be released by Dragon Flight. So you need to be careful with using both skills.

Additionally/in case anyone didn't get this:

Blade Shield: doesn't really do much early game because it relies on your base damage - at this point, low. And its not spammable because of your low mana pool.

Phoenix Strike: You only get ONE of the charges, and the more powerful Ice one is only reachable with 15 seconds of attacking something. Which means not only a 15 second cooldown at least but you need to be able to attack a whole bunch of things in that time as well - this might not be possible. And THEN you need to use Dragon Flight to release it. The creeps you were attacking might be more than 10 seconds away from the heroes you need to kill; charges dissipate, you arrive with no weapons and get mowed! So its a tricky skill, much as it seems unbalanced.

Any more queries, feel free to ask. Also, tell us if you think we should be putting these things in the main Hero Idea itself rather than comments - unless you think you were reeeally dumb to miss it, which I doubt.

imba put at least a mana like 40 or 50 mana to use the ulti and make it like autocast or active bec. i used to play diablo two:the lord of destruction and the phoenix strike has a sp cost and i like the concept but like it if you put the traps skills of the assasin but that's your and anyways nice hero

Phoenix Strike IS autocast. I've been debating making it have a mana cost but the thing is, it would take a huge amount of mana. Natalya has basically nothing.

ok

What the hell? this guy copied EVERYTHING from diablo 2, even the NAME and the description....i never support any copies.

Good for you. Find someone who cares?

By misterjelly 2007-09-09

What the hell? this guy copied EVERYTHING from diablo 2, even the NAME and the description....i never support any copies.


Do you know how many heroes are copies from somewhere?
you make something interesting and get it published then we might listen to your useless feedback.

good skill set however make it so that she cannot attack during blade sheild also make it so that she gets more armour during that time (it is a shield afterall) also reduce duration. the ulti is good very original though it must be toned down. i mean most agi ulties dont do much damage like track crono etc.

Hmmm. The thing is we're trying to make it like the Diablo 2 Assassin - and that doesn't stop you attacking in Blade Shield. Just... compare it to Dark Seer's Ion Shell. At nearly all stages of the game, Ion Shell is better.

Great idea, loved it, loved the ulti and the frst spell, blade shields are lovely and the third skill reminds em of someone called Naix. My suggestions are;

-Maybe tone down blade shields like a max of %60 of your attack damage and add a small armor bonus or a miss chance.
-Maybe do a max 33% slow on movespeed on shadow killers. The hero has very strong spells and a passive %40 slow is acceptable on Naix cuz he has no nukes but this hero can do spell damage which means this passive needs to be toned down a little.
-Your ulti can allow only one charge to be released at a time right? If it is what I understood, than it is OK.

BTW, a real noob build would be like

6 BoT! 850 ms OWNZ! :P

Well well, what have we here?
A nice Diablo based hero on my favorite Diablo character...
Well, the idea is pretty good, so is the story and the stats are also pretty balanced...
As for the skills, Dragon Flight is just awesome, and it's not too killer until lvl 6, which is good.....
However, the second skill I believe it may be a little too much....
You may want to add a little drawback to using it, or toning down the damage a bit, otherwise it would be too much, 20 seconds of your base damage per second, PLUS what you may be dealing by normal attacking, AND with a Dragon Flight releasing Pheonix, and no hero can stand against you.... I dunno, but I believe it could use a little nerf...
The third skill is just awesome, but I would recommend it being an orb effect, because being a buff placer it already messes with some orbs, and those orbs are already in your "dream builds"... Sorry ;)
And about the ultimate, you really stayed loyal to its effect in Diablo, and it's a really good skill, but if the only way to release it is together with Dragon Flight, you may want to tone the damage down a bit, so it wouldn't become too powerful....
All in all, a great hero, but I believe it could use some work....
Will rate after a while....

Great!The first spell's picture is Assassin's one from diablo right?

Yes it is, and with the same name too
It would also be cool if Pheonix Strike's picture were there too.... (hint: put it there man!)
And now that I think about it, you're right, Blade Shield is just like Ion Shell, but it only gets better over time....
Why don't you just put all the images for the skills from Diablo? It would look so much better...In my opinion anyway...

im friggin tired of people using characters from other games... be original thats obviously an assassin from diablo

Well, why don't you look at almost ALL the heroes in dota....
Can you guess where are they from?
For example, Lina Inverse is a character from an Anime series (and a good one too, Slayers)...
Rikimaru is from Tenchu
The whole Venomancer idea is acutally from Diablo too
Leoric? Diablo
Leshrac? Magic the gathering...
I'm sure if you keep looking you'll find many more, so please stop the (very) stupid posts regarding character from other places ok?

ow my head, the ult is confusing

im sorry but blades are imba, imba, imba, no one realized that even if you managed a build that this retard put, HOW MUCH WILL IT COST, jesus no one can get all that, just cuz u can doesnt mean fill alll item slots idiots. If you had all those items the blade with 1st skill and ulti not even fun anymore, with skadi 3 second slow in that retarded fake build would be imba, which is why this rip off gets a 2/10

hey look my two made it from 5 stars to 4, this guy should be at one star retardedly imba

@ dunks = you suck worse GTFO. Notice the item build says DESIRABLE. Dumbass. Read all of the skill rather than just '300 AOE Poison Sting' or whatever the hell you thought it was. See below comment on Shadow Killers.

@ Artimon = Sorry! I tried to space it out properly so it would be legible but it didn't take.

@ Raxxar & SlwaBluPhnx = cheers guys.

@ Raxxar = I searched ages ago on Gatherer and it did NOT find anything on Leshrac, this is so annoying...

@ everyone who thinks Shadow Killers is imba = Think for a second. 40% slow every three seconds. Compare to Naix. 40% slow every ONE second. And then, SKs has to trigger again.
The way it works is: 33% chance, once this triggers its on cd for 3 seconds, can't happen during this, then it has to trigger AGAIN, which could be another three attacks if you're unlucky. So you might not get the slow again for another 5-6 seconds. Naix is nastier. On the other hand it has the AOE, but thats the synergy with Phoenix. And the chances of you slowing the same group of heroes again and again is slim, they would likely go in different directions.
Still, I'll confer with Ghost... or get him to read this.

@ everyone who thinks copying other games etc is stupid = see Raxxar's comment. Oh and do something really dumb like stab your own eyes out perhaps if you're not convinced by his comment, because its totally true.

Oh, dunks, the usual:
MAKE ONE BETTER IF YOU THINK YOU'RE SO GOOD.

@Raxxar ok yes we were wanting do nerf the damage a heap on blade shield to start with but we also concidered that they need to quite literally be touching you
concidering reducing duration a little and upping the manacost.
yes we may make passive an orb effect.
i was trying to convince shimrra_3 to make all pictures the ones from d2 (my god will blade shield look 1000x better)

@SlwaBluPhnx naix has a 40% slow that basicly works as long as you keep hitting, we concidered making at a 40% slow and that is still in debate as it is a %to cast anyway it is in some ways alot worse than naix but aoe makes it better

@NovaProspekt WE DONT CARE!!!
don't double post
no wait you apologized
^^

@dunks good for you, generally people wait a little to see what the makes say about their comment, such as whether or not they will CHANGE that aspect
but hey now we can hate you
makes my life easy

@Raxxar (again) thank you for having a go that the person who made the completely unoriginal complaint about unoriginal heroes.

i think thats all for now.

OK... more or less all of the above. Even if I already said it.

@Raxxar ok yes we were wanting do nerf the damage a heap on blade shield to start with but we also concidered that they need to quite literally be touching you
concidering reducing duration a little and upping the manacost.
yes we may make passive an orb effect.
i was trying to convince shimrra_3 to make all pictures the ones from d2 (my god will blade shield look 1000x better)

@SlwaBluPhnx naix has a 40% slow that basicly works as long as you keep hitting, we concidered making at a 40% slow and that is still in debate as it is a %to cast anyway it is in some ways alot worse than naix but aoe makes it better

@NovaProspekt WE DONT CARE!!!
don't double post
no wait you apologized
^^

@dunks good for you, generally people wait a little to see what the makes say about their comment, such as whether or not they will CHANGE that aspect
but hey now we can hate you
makes my life easy

@Raxxar (again) thank you for having a go that the person who made the completely unoriginal complaint about unoriginal heroes.

i think thats all for now.

having briefly talked with shimrra_3 on msn we have decided to up manacost and cooldown of bladeshield

as of the remake of this hero some time in the next week

Blade shield has higher mana cost and cooldown
passive is an orb
dragon flight has slightly less damage and 15 second cooldown at all levels

oh and raxxar you won shimrra_3 over its getting the awesome icons

Err... yes. I figured either all D2 icons or none, decided to try WC3 style first and couldn't find anything good for Dragon Flight so subbed that in. Probably will be better as all D2.
One more thing. Guys, don't let us do this: this makes 8 posts between the creators alone. Thats not really good. Remind us not to if we do it again...

Imbalanced to teh max..

This hero can be an exeption to copying d2 :P no offense its a great hero, just like king leoric

I wont scream imba. I promise.
IMMMMMM--- not going to.
Although i think the ulti, say, needs to be remade due to balance issues. No Mana for several nukes? 5 Sec cooldown? (not counting Dragon fly thing)

@Shimrra: you know where did they get Leshrac exactly? He's from the history in the Ice Age expansion, he's planeswalker, which means he's too powerful to be in a card...too bad right?
Anyway, all of his skills are actually magic cards, so at least you got that xD
And good!! Go d2 icons!!!

*not all of them skills sorry XD I though they were lol

@ 27Luna = I think it does need some kind of mana cost as well, yes. Perhaps 30 per charge or something. I don't know. Nothing huge.

@ Raxxar = I thought he was something like that. What hit me was something like, at the end of the Core Set or something, it says 'Leshrac has returned' and I go 'hmmm, where've I heard - ah, right... theres no Leshrac card?'. Hes returned... he was some powerful being who went somewhere else and came back... Plainswalker makes sense. But I have no idea.

cool

@rexxar Well, why don't you look at almost ALL the heroes in dota....
Can you guess where are they from?
For example, Lina Inverse is a character from an Anime series (and a good one too, Slayers)...
Rikimaru is from Tenchu
The whole Venomancer idea is acutally from Diablo too
Leoric? Diablo
Leshrac? Magic the gathering...
I'm sure if you keep looking you'll find many more, so please stop the (very) stupid posts regarding character from other places ok?

yes good point... but the riki is just the name. not same skills leoric just the name not same skills plus they are starter ideas this hero drives off of 3 moves from the game diablo right down to the meteor

ZOMGZORZ AWESOME in a way... I noticed you got it off of Diablo 2.. I JUST FINISHED PLAYING THAT GAME! lolol. Even her portrait looks like the assassin from D2. I liked it bud, but I prefer hero ideas that arent based off other things. Nevertheless, you did a great job n' i'd like to play a D2 like character on DotA. Anywayz, lets find eachother and play some Diablo 2 sometime ehh bro?

Ps. Hmm... I might create a D2 character idea too haha =D maybe druid or necro.. hehe.

@NovaProspekt
i got the honors of doing this..
WE DON'T CARE READ LEARN THIS IS A HERO BASED OFF THE DIABLO II ASSASSIN F WE DIDN'T USE MOVES FROM THE DIABLO II ASSASSIN IT WOULDN'T BE THE DIABLO II ASSASSIN, ARE YOU STUPID?
hmm yes riki is just a name,
slayer much?
venomancer much?
lesherac much?
don't make me pull out more it would require effort on my behalf and i really don't want to use it on you
i am a genious
don't like it?
i don't care.
leave now.
VENOMANCER HAS MORE THEN HALF HIS SKILLS STOLEN FROM THE DIABLO II NECROMANCER, ARE YOU STILL COMPLAINING???

@got milk?
umm yes hamachi server
Clan SDxx (shimrra_thinks it is repeditive)(not that dota isn't)

(i cant believe i got through NovaProspekt without swearing like a loony )

LOL @ above post, nicely done.

@ hamachi server discussion = hes trying to convince me that fighting the same two weeks worth of monsters over and over again isn't as repetitive as playing DotA. This is failing miserably. FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OF THIS MATTER ELSEWHERE theres definitely a D2 thread up somewhere. Seriously, Off-Topic here...

@ dunks:no flamming man,be calm and see the hero idea "Malark" and compare it with this one.

no offence yo!!

its funny how mad sum 1 can get over a game. actually not even the game a discussion about a game. pretty sad

NovaProspekt: you're pretty sad.

@ duro†ar™ = LOL, compares to Malark. I don't even have to look it up, still remember that lol...

it pretty good

I always thought venomancer was an imitiation from the hydralisk in starcraft, not in d2. Hows he relate in d2?

Poison Nova is one of D2 necromancers' abilities.

to imba... but nice idea

I wish all you people who think it is imba would explain why this is their opinion so we might EXPLAIN IT OR FIX IT?

@osmanrulz
d2 necromancer also has poison dagger
and something a bit like the one that isnt wards or nava.
O_o

umm yes

Don't simply say IMBA, EXPLAIN
Don't scream IMBA without comparing to "Malark"
Don't flame us until you make something better


and NovaProspekt, no one really cares about you opinion anymore, we have come to the agreement that you aren't worth replying to after this.

i begin with a, good job on nerf of blade sheild, and beleive me or not i psted on a bad day on my end, sry for it, and i guess ill hope to see the good version of her and ill up my rating tenfold

oh and just to say, k is sorta a hard hotkey, W would work for it though, @ third skill

@dunks
lol kk damn shame the vote has already gone in
ok we may be adding w to the hotkey now
hmm yes but it is a passive, only used in skill selection. may make it E
hmm..
just realized, phoenix strike and blade shield are hotkeyed as S
make phoenix R? maybe F
F is for Foenix
logic is great huh?

Why the F*** did we hotkey them both as S? I assumed we were smarter than that...

As I was also going to say (having read dunks' comment prior to Ghost's WHICH SAYS THIS), Yes, your votes already gone in, whatcha gonna do... there should be a way to revoke votes.

2nd ,3rd,4th skill is damn imba . I'll vote after changes.....LOL!!

Please explain supposed imbaness or theres not likely to be a change.

diablo skills? i dont like her.

Whats wrong with having Diablo skills...?
See several dozen above posts.
VENOMANCER?

@Shimrra: don't bother yourself, these guys obviously don't know a thing about where ANY of the hero ideas come from, both Icefrog's and these, so it's no use trying to talk them into sense....
Save your breath (or typing or whatever )

2nd skill, too long . 10 sec should be fine.3rd skill, nerf the chances. 22% is good .ulti not imba, my bad

@ Raxxar = hah, yes. You're probably right. We have indeed decided to ignore all further comments from one particularly annoying individual (you can probably guess).

@ Evolution_miyaneh = a) Whats wrong with you, b) Whats wrong with Super Mario, c) Don't friggin spam.

@ Counter_Force[X] = Blade Shield does need a slight nerf, we know that, but theres not a huge problem with Shadow Killers. Again, compare to Naix. I rest my case.
The main thing is we're trying to make this as close to D2 as possible while making it a) at least slightly balanced, and b) interesting enough to play. So the Shadow Killers assassin blade in D2 happens to have this extra ability that has a 33% chance to launch a Frost Nova on attacking (different Frost Nova to Warcraft though). So we'd like to keep that. But its not specific regarding the Frost Nova, so we could alternatively reduce the slow or something rather than the chance. But as I've said, compare to Naix.

cool hero, i'd give it a 9/10, taking marks off coz i dun really like the ulti.

@ExIl3d Pr0dIgy
and why is that?

looks nice

I agree. I just love it when people explain things, rather than the innocent method of completely leaving it out, or the noob flamer method that doesn't clear up anything except that said flamer is brainless... and I know that YOU are smarter than that so tell us what it is!!

No, Shadow killers are not imba, read the description carefully, it has good slow, but not a chasing slow so it balances out. The only thing that needs nerfing is the blade shields and that has been mentioned before.

OMG!! i'm dam stupid. din see the 'max once in every 3 sec' thingy lol. forgive me milord.

Lol. Ok. Now the problem is that I am really sick right now so it would be a bad idea to get Ghost in here to help me modify it... stupid cough!! *sigh*

How is she the cold maiden when only 1/3 of a skill actually does frost?

@ everyone who thinks this is unoriginal
We don't care.

@ all who think she's imba
Dragon Flight= Not an imba blink skill like waveform and burrowstrike.

Blade Shield= About to be nerfed. Base damage isn't too high and it can't be cast on frontline allies anyway. I doubt your enemies will let you get close.

Shadow Killers= Get skadi instead. It has chance AND cooldown. Extra damage is negligible.

Phoenix Strike= If I understand correctly, you need to go creeping before you use this in battle and even then, your enemy must be close so the charges don't go away too early.

More-or-less correct.

@rambol
the diablo 2 assassin only has to cold skills and one of them would be imba as hell so we removed that and put in the unique claws (shadowkillers) which the build uses.. so there

umm yes but check the range on Dragon Flight - 1000 range
offset by
must target enemies

yes just get skadi but loose the aoe and the slightly better slow.

blade shield is (logically) going to do piercing damage, thus doing 50% to heroes. (this needs to be confirmed, shim pm me about it or msn to avoid thread chat)

phoenix strike - yes or you can chase them with it

Hey, I like the piercing damage idea, you know, with that, you could do with full base damage on the 20 seconds, but heroes wouldn't be so affected....
Nice one

@Raxxar
its because i am cool like that.
umm yes shim is revamping now...

Loooook! Beautiful D2 icons!

simply because i hate NovaProspekt..
http://www.diablo2guide.com/database/unique-items/leviathan-id800.php
remind you of anything ^^
if he doesnt like stealing characters, show does he like stealing items then turning them into characters and skill sets ^^
i win
hell new argument
items stolen from Diablo II
http://www.diablo2guide.com/database/unique-items/messerschmidts-reaver-id825.php
lol wins again
rests case?

Sorry for my late reply, it's just ain't my style to rely on 2 skills to get 1 effect. Not that it's bad or anything, it's actually real good, just not my style, please don't get offended. I would like to thank shimrra_3 for giving my hero such a good rating by the way.

Lol. Its generally either a 10, does not rate due to lack of understanding, or does not say true rating so as not to visibly insult them but privately laugh my ass off. :p

Everything Ghost just said with double the swearing.

IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ MORE THAN TWO WORDS IN A PAGE YOU WOULD SEE WE ACKNOWLEDGE DIABLO DUMBASS.

too imbalanced. i don't like it either.

oh unique icons by the way. nice.

@mynameisnicd
why?
and
sif they are unique stolen from the game whom the hero was taken from

refer to post
By Shimrra_3 2007-09-11

I wish all you people who think it is imba would explain why this is their opinion so we might EXPLAIN IT OR FIX IT?

What Ghost said. Again.

I agree with Shimrra and Ghost, don't disrespect someone's idea like that just because it is unoriginal. Just the fact that he put time in making this, already means he is superior to you. But anyway, about the idea, good job man, people need to expand their minds and get out of the box, after all, many existing DotA heroes are borrowed from other places. Hell, i'm looking forward to the day when I see Sephiroth getting Godlike, hehe..

@Serathil
lol for Sephiroth (now we know what to do next)
thanks

Just 'cause I'm awesome

Lol, someone already proposed to do Sephiroth - about a year ago. Y'know what I said then, I'll say it again now seeing as it hasn't changed:

I don't know enough about Sephiroth otherwise I would do it!

Oh my god we didn't change the hotkeys!!

Oh damn!
I don't login in a few days and all of a sudden 20+ posts appear!!!
xD
Anyway, for ghost, Doombringer is also a D2 item ^^!
And Eaglehorn, Cranium Basher, and well, those you named and maybe a couple more that I can't remember right now...
And YES!!!! D2 iconsss!!!! cool
Nice one....
And LOL @ the hotkeys xD
Nevermind, it's not such a big deal...

@Raxxar
i know that but i could only be bothered posting 2 because i am lazy i went through the big list of unique items and pulled out a couple.

and Leoric is explained in the Diablo II item "The Arm of King Leoric"
well sort of..
funnily enough it is a necromancer item.
it provides Bone Prison (an immobiliser much in the same way Storm Bolt is) and Summon Skeletons and what is leo?
a skeleton woah shit where is that guy who said leo was just a name?

Actually, about the name, you may want to ask the staff at Blizzard XD
It's really a boss from diablo 1, but he got carried over to d2 with that wand...

Yes, hes a boss from D1. King Leoric -> Black King -> Skeleton King there was some transformation as Diablo TOOK OVER HIS SOUL muwhaha at least I think that was it.

ARAHRHGARHARGR!
FLAMING NOOBS!!
OK. To all of you pricks who said ITS TOTALLY COPIED, guess what it says in the conclusion? Highly referenced to Diablo 2... Assassin...
Also...theres a very recent thread called
WheRE DotA HEroeS GoT THeir NAmES (http://www.dotastrategy.com/forum/ftopic7458.html)
Good hero, but only a few problems, blade shield IS too imba, based off your atk damage is just too much.

@War_Wrecker
the most it is ever likely to do is 75

You watched me design this hero. Its fine. Do you know what piercing damage is war.

i liked the idea. But it still seems rly imba. increase the cd's and reduce the power of her ult. 7/10

WOWWW, EVEN "NATALYA" IS FROM D2, WOW, NEVER MAKE A HERO AGAIN, SERIOUSLY, NEXT GUY IS GONNA B A JAVAZON OR A WEREDRUID, SERIOUSLY, YU COPIED E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G FROM D2 RIGHT HERE.

Has PMed drew. Say your prayers illiterate one.

I dun pretend to be wise or anything... but from wat i understand of how these skills come together.. its seems kinda Imba... the baldes nid some toning down..

Compare to Naix. This one only triggers every 3 seconds at best.

Warning to everyone posting comments here. It's a given that flaming is NOT allowed here in DS. Whoever you are, you better stop. This goes to everyone. More violations from you, you're BANNED.

W00T admin own you. He means you you you you you... and you. Definitely YOU.

Of course, 90% of them only read two lines anyway so that warning won't help much. Might deter the 10%.

Thank you.

the skill s in diablo

..illiterate?
Conclusion:
Highly referenced to Diablo 2... Assassin...
This Hero Idea was a joint effort between Shimrra_3 and Ghost, we will both respond to comments.

Further
1. Made Blade Shield do piercing damage (50% to heroes). 2. Changed Shadow Killers to an orb effect.


once again...
blade shield will probably only do 75-100 damage WHEN YOU ARE LEVEL 25
dragon flight is a 1000 range ENEMY only 100 damage blink strike.

shadow killers has a 33% chance to slow and AOE by 40% and only trigger once every 3 seconds.
now an orb effect on a melee hero that is probably worse than skadi..
i can see how very FUCKING IMBA THAT IS

the most you will ever do with the ultimate is 337.5 which is basically 2 extra attacks

Thank you for your useless feedback all.
cheers Drew.

i should also probably add that because Blade Shield isn't magic damage it is also affected by armor so it actually has somewhat pathetic damage.
IMBA OH NOES!!

...
Again everything Ghost said. Plus, read the whole thing before commenting uselessly.

cool hero idea...

but unfortunately the comments from those noobs (saying this and that about copying diablo2) are burning my head....

What i can get from your ult description since my IQ is low:

1. BOOM! there goes the dragon flight and a stun
2. the enemy is attacking back! BOOM! there goes another dragon flight and a 300-500 dmg chain lightning
3. OMG enemy's got no hp left! He's getting away! BOOM! there goes the third dragon flight and a freeze

is it correct?
oh yeah why is it a 522ms, not a blink?
and another one, can we activate her ult without dragon flight?
and ANOTHER one, when her dragon flight cooldown ends, isn't her ult ends too? i mean, Charges on attack every 5 seconds, charges dissipate if unused after 10 seconds (further charging renews this countdown) correct?

Clearly I have some explaining to do, on the other hand I'm gonna repeat a bunch of stuff the thing itself says very clearly.

You only get one charge at a time; the skill's notes says this.

Dragon Flight releases whatever charge is activated - you then lose the charge and have to attack some more with Ult activated to gain charge again.

DF isn't a Blink type skill because it damages units in between. Its more of a cross between Blink-Strike, Charge of Darkness, and Waveform, except only mildly imba in comparison.

Phoenix Strike can only be released by using Dragon Flight on an enemy. It works kind of like Nevermore's synergy: Necromastery soul count is only unleashed by Requiem of Souls (plus the 60 damage but you know what I mean). At any rate, the charges won't do anything until you use DF on someone.

The 10 second cooldown on DF and the 10 dissipate time of the charges is coincidence only.

I hope I've answered everything, ask me again if I haven't or if theres something else.

cool i really hope she will get to dota soon nice work, mr shimrra

Wasn't ALL me... meh. Yay.

pfft *takes share of credit* (51% of )

WOW Ioved the concept of pheonix strike but it seems a little too powerful.

The Meteor charge doing 500 damage on a cooldown of 10 seconds (dragon flight) and a mana cost of 90 (dragon flight+pheonix) sounds like a dagon that activates on blinkstrike. Then, there are 2 more versions of it doing raw damage/slow.

The Magnetize blades is nice becuase it's a new "imolation" skill which i've been looking for. The fact that it does piercing makes that a very fair skill. Your Shadow Killers at first seemed very cheap for it's large ammount of damage and slow but when compared to Raijin's overload, it seems almost...much better... It doesn't have as much of raijin's overload earlygame capabilities but it has a higher chance late game:33% chance to discharge at all levels, 300 AOE at all levels. Can not activate more than once every 3 seconds. Orb effect.

Overall, one of the most balanced (no lie, other ones are just isnane) hero.

One thing though:The Cold Maiden is her name. The only ice she has is Shadow Killers (which one would think belongs to someone like motred; Shadow-Cold? Don't see a resemblance) and pheonix strike, charge 3. She has magenetize blades which just comes out of nowhere and dragon/pheonix capabilities, where'd that come from? I mean pheonix strike would have something to do with fire? like a firey omnislash/projectile? which somehow turns out to be this special one-of-a-kind charge/styled meteor/icywind/electricity attack just doesn't seem to match.

Concept-8.7/10
Imbalance/Balance-9/10

Just work on the names (oh and, this character reminds me of layana, anyone else see the resemblance? if there is any?)

yes well it is based off the diablo II build for the assassin which i and quite a few others have made using the cold skills from her claw tree
the is one a phoenix strike, the problem was the other move froze units for close to 11 seconds and we didn't know what to do do we resorted to her items from the build.


Shadow Killer
Battle Cestus
Damage: (145 to 172) To (170 to 201) (157.5 to 186.5 Avg)
Required Level: 78
Required Strength: 100
Required Dexterity: 100
Weapon Speed: [-10]
(Assassin Only)
+170-220% Enhanced Damage (varies)
-25% Target Defense
Freezes Target +2
+10-15 To Mana After Each Kill (varies)
33% Chance To Cast Level 8 Frost Nova On Striking
Indestructible
Ethereal (Cannot Be Repaired)

as these items were essentially the bread and butter of the build as it helped open the unlimited freeze you get from Blades of Ice

as the diabli II asassin only has 2 cold moves we then went to another skill the build uses in conjunction with the cold
Blade Shield as in the game the idea is to freeze enemies then stand next to them dealing a heap of extra damage

we could rename her "the maiden"
because thats awesome enough

the most you will ever do with the ultimate is 337.5 which is basically 2 extra attacks

every 15 seconds

i think we should shove this into the "notes" section of the skill people appear to ignore the countless times i have mathcrafted the skill

triple posts sorry.

Kakisho
you will need to take phoenix strike up with blizzard, it was them not us with the idea.

Oh hey, just thought i would let you know; for blade shield apparently damage based off heros can actually be maximum or minimum; its just that in dota its always minimum : (. also theres already a nice functioning framework of bladeshield; its in pudge wars but i wont elaborate except that it is perfect for what you want.

ALSO.

to all those PRICKS who keep complaining that its copied off d2 assassin...

Highly referenced to Diablo 2... Assassin...
This Hero Idea was a joint effort between Shimrra_3 and Ghost, we will both respond to comments.

ARAHRAGR. also heres why this hero seems like lanaya, both insane dps, low hp, female, AND heres the finisher, Natalya is an anagram of Lanaya, except for the T.

oh yes, before you start complaining even MORE that this is copied, did you know that Eaglehorn and Messerschmidt's Reaver are both items from diablo 2. also puck is quite unoriginal; hes just a faerie dragon taken straight out of the original wc3, and all the triggering and framework for phase shift is taken out of wc3 too.

AND as i said earlier there is a thread about this kinda crap.

Anyone who continues to flame or swear shall be banned. No exemptions. I mean it. Try to be civil guys. This is just a hero idea. Emphasis on "idea". If it was based on something or someone else, so are the other heroes of Dota.

I think I can see which posts got removed. Meh. Ghost tune it down a bit please. Cheers again drew.

yay can tone it down
i don't need to swear at illiterates complaining about stuff they haven't/can't read

The Ulti is way too IMBA man... make it more weaker could you imagine... skill 1 Plus Ulti lvl 3... Own!!!

If I have to say 'explain' one more time...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
with this guy
explain illiterate one

"skill 1 Plus Ulti lvl 3... Own!!!"
lets take into account the stupidity of this.
first off you need skill 1 to pull off your ultimate, thus yes "skill 1 + Ulti lvl 3"
this probably puts you ahead of most the other stupid comments.
on the other hand i find myself quoting myself again and i find this reasonably annoying
"337.5" and again "337.5"
once more?
"337.5"
hopefully this post is long enough so that it sticks out and people ACTUALLY read it

maths once again (for those who didn't read the rest of this because they are lazy)
337.5 at lvl 3 is the most it will do
moving on?
oh and a .01 second stun.

see also, none of your moves are spammable, well you could spam...with... what a cyclone rod and a sheep stick?

did we mention more than 3 times that you aren't a tank and will die faster than morphling with 1 strength and no +strength items to laguna blade? or perhaps meepo attempting solo roshan at level 1.

in short your aim is to kill them so quickly that they don't even see you arrive...

chances are you will be ganked into oblivion and rage quit before you get that far.

My build for hero is (Notice the pathetic str and int gains, you can't spam anything and you die way too easy.)

-BoT
-AC
-Basher
-Basher
-HoT
-HoT or sheepstick.

Is that for this hero?

Hahahaha i really like the idea. And because my favourite hero is sourced from starcraft i have absolutely NO problems with this hero's sourcing from diablo 2. Just a little suggestion, can you make the ulti a little less complicated? I've read this whole page over 2 times and still don't think i get heads or tails of it. Do you mean when you do dragon flight the first time you do pheonix level 1, then within the next ten seconds if you do dragon you do pheonix level 2, and in the next ten seconds if you do dragon you do pheonix level 3? And is there anything else i need to know? Good work! I'd like to see more heroes built from other things too...

Ok.
When you attack, if Phoenix Strike is turned on autocast, you will gain a charge every five seconds when you attack. When you use Dragon Flight, if you have a charge for Phoenix, that charge (whichever one you have) will be unleashed on the target.

Basically.

Hit
5 seconds / Dragon Flight (meteor)
Hit
5 Seconds / Dragon Flight (chain lightning)
Hit
0 - 10 Seconds -> Dragon Flight (the awesome small AoE 3 second disable)

Rinse and Repeat

after using dragon flight charges reset to zero and need to start again, hitting someone at least every 10 seconds to maintain the charges.

Did you guys notice that this hero idea got way more comments than the others?
A lot of Diablo players around it seems?

Well, theres also the fact that there are two creators commenting. Not to forget the off topic, overall useless comments like this. And then the warnings. *sigh*

ToTaLlY aWsOmE

Indeed

ummmm well the ulti is over powerd and her other spells are to weak so she is a good hero but the ulti cool down should take longer

refer to all previous posts where we tell people that it isn't over powered.
but yes other spells are weak
also you have no mana ^^

Explain supposed overpowered-ness or prove that you can't read.

this character is based on diablo known as the assasin. natalya is also the name of an assasin.

Yes, in Diablo, the Assassin's model is based on that of a character named Natalya, who's just standing there in the third act (completely useless)
Also, the last and more powerful set of weapons of the Assassin are all named after Natalya (e.g. Natalya's Mark is the weapon in that set)
Nothing, just so you know xD

Eh. But Shadow Killers are better

Yes, if you look for sheer power then SK are better...
But..... I just like to glow xD (in a dark and assassinating way of course )

I have a funny feeling that the ulti wouldn't work out like anyone predicted and either be too imba or just simply be useless when put into practice. Interesting though.. no doubt about that.

i pin it down as being useless.
your skills are designed to chase down and kill multiple heroes, the failing here is you will die upon attempt.
AoE slow
AoE disable
tiny AoE DPS
HUGE DISTANCE blinkstrike/waveform ability

But you get torn up like a knife through rice paper.

^^^^ Concur! ^^^^

yes you die very very very very VERY fast, imagine it this way, 2v1 combination of Huskar and Necrolyte vs any1, lifebreak, scythe, now imagine that, only 20 times worse, now you get the scale of natalya's fragility

Lol... I wouldn't've put it quite that way, but yes she is very killable. No escape mechanism either.

ATTENTION!!! ATTETION!!! ATTENTION ALL DS PATRONS!!!


Testicles.

That is all.

LOL... I thought he was above that kinda spam but I guess he is entitled to it.

Bard Man likes Spam on toast.

I see. Have you even rated this or are you not paying attention...

Whoops. Bard Man forgot. Anywho, this hero is deserving of a 10 in Bard Man's book. Sure you took the skills and stuff from D2, but who cares? LINA IS FROM ANIME FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!

P.S. Bard Man couldn't whine about it being from D2 even if he was that stuipd. He has a D2 Necromancer in the Dream Heros Forum

Hah, but it is too much to hope that those idiots from the first 50-odd comments are paying the slightest bit off attention. Cheers.

good hero mans

Thanks.

Dude! your character is sooo cool! Diablo Assasin huh?

THIS IS SUPER IMBA HERO
SEE ULTI
HIGH + SLOW
WITHOUT CHAIN ALSO STILL IMBA

Read it properly or get out please...

??? did u erased my coment???
Cant you take a critic????
Well i still think that this hero is a copy-paste.
I was lookin at the skills and 5 secs cd for ulti??? Dude this is not D2... u need to rebalnce all the cd

Opinions of illiterate flaming people, even if they aren't doing that now but were before, are not worthy of attention. Not all ultimate skills are huge cooldown fool. Purge is Medusa ultimate and that just went from 20 to 12 second cooldown. 5 second autocast is not unusual.

Find someone who gives a damn about so-called copy and paste and make your own site if you care so much.

After reading the comments, seems like there are alot of ppl arguing about the copied from D2 issue... well, may i ask you why the hell DOES it have to be original? What's so bad about having a character u know from another game put into Dota? don't judge a char by where he/she comes from(original or not), and give GOOD reasons on why u think this char sux... anyway i think the creators did a great job, Lol keep up the good work

Cheers

this is only a natasha from ... why a fucking girl for DOTA ALLSTARS? DEVLET IDARESI ERKEK ISIDIR!!!

butun turkler anladı anlicani kardesim ya

and barathrum is alies and enemy,isn't he?

What the hell. Get off this thread. Admins attack...

@evoblade there are a hell lotta female characters in Dota you dumbass... and what the hell r u saying, type english damnit

Concur. Again.
Next thing I post - guide, hero idea, thread, anything - I am NOT putting up with this crap...

i know there is very nice fameles and i like it , but this a natasha.ok?

i telling now i dont like character but i like the hero idea with skills

i love it.. too dangerous! don't mind people who don't know how to appreciate ideas! Good job!

Erm. is kinda very messily done. Btw nice skill pics u hav thr. Can u teach me hw to make the framework of the skill.

i like it very much. it's pure combination.

i probably doesnt lke dis hero... sorry... because of the idea of an icy monster was lessen... and became an elmentalists hero... how sad...

ulti is imbalance, quick cooldown and low mana cost

@ laspatatas = yes you are sad.

@ AXCEL = read please.

@shimra
oh! right its not imbalance rather unique liked it

the third skill... too much its like the last skill of razor... storm seeker. please tone it down its too much!

yeah right!!
THIS HERO IS VERY SOFT AND VERY EASY TO KILL>>>
but the ulti??

Good idea, sounds like a fun hero to play.

mmm..why not give it mind blast and burst of speed?

maybe lightning sentry or wake of inferno while you're at it

we were considering making a trapsin but decided against it.

if ever we get bored and yurn to d2 for inspiration again i can assure you that will be a possible hero.

where is this hero?!?!

I agree, everything is from Diablo 2. The pictures, the skill ideas.

Anyways, this is a good character. Decent skills, stats and everything. Nice!!!

hey, great to hear from you again shimmra_3 ;)

Nice hero, yeah right, she is from Diablo 2 so who cares.. -.-

Just wanted to say that ulti and Blades are both Hotkey "S", so better change it ;)
Ulti needs some mana cost, otherwise its a bit too strong.
Maybe nerf the blades a little bit, but its pretty good.

All in all, very nice hero, 9/10 ;)

i like your idea of bringing Diablo II to wc3. ^^. just that you made her ult a bit rigged imo.

His first skill is good for escaping or chasing an enemy but great ideas they should put this hero on dota