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1 By Venter 2007-09-08 First comment!? I think you might want to tone down the psionic blades attack; it essentially doubles her damage because the target takes both her melee and the aura damage. AND she farms with it on all surrounding creeps. I love the idea for the ult, but again it might need toning down. Just at level 1, after a short skirmish, you could smash a target for 770 damage (between the initial damage, the DoT which the stuns/slows ensure they get stuck in, and the dragon flight itself). Add a couple regular attacks during their stun, and you have upwards of 1000 damage on a level 1 ult's combo. Great ideas though! 2 By quadro 2007-09-08 pfffff i didin like it 3 By zdeczone 2007-09-08 erm... if u had two the same clickable items like refresher or guinsoo, and u click one the other will also start working at the same time. So it is not possible to refresh refresher by the refresher as i is not possible to turn two targets into sheep with two guinsoo. Correct me if i am wrong. 4 By the_unseen 2007-09-08 Looks nice. Can kill but can be easily killed...... 5 By NagasAteMyBaby 2007-09-08 Wow way to short a cooldown on ulti (actually 10 seconds dragon flight cooldown) very high damage very fast, Im sorry but I have to say it... IMBA 6 By Ghost 2007-09-08 @Venter
7 By Ghost 2007-09-08 @the_unseen
8 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-08 Everything Ghost said is completely correct. The second charge replaces the first and the third replaces the second: you only get one of them active. The thing is the more powerful one is the third because of the AOE slow and damage - as he said, you need to get three charges for that and that indeed means attacking for 15 seconds first. And it can only be released by Dragon Flight. So you need to be careful with using both skills.
9 By newbie 2007-09-08 imba put at least a mana like 40 or 50 mana to use the ulti and make it like autocast or active bec. i used to play diablo two:the lord of destruction and the phoenix strike has a sp cost and i like the concept but like it if you put the traps skills of the assasin but that's your and anyways nice hero 10 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-08 Phoenix Strike IS autocast. I've been debating making it have a mana cost but the thing is, it would take a huge amount of mana. Natalya has basically nothing. 11 By newbie 2007-09-09 ok 12 By misterjelly 2007-09-09 What the hell? this guy copied EVERYTHING from diablo 2, even the NAME and the description....i never support any copies. 13 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-09 Good for you. Find someone who cares? 14 By Ghost 2007-09-09 By misterjelly 2007-09-09
15 By devild ota 2007-09-09 good skill set however make it so that she cannot attack during blade sheild also make it so that she gets more armour during that time (it is a shield afterall) also reduce duration. the ulti is good very original though it must be toned down. i mean most agi ulties dont do much damage like track crono etc.
16 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-09 Hmmm. The thing is we're trying to make it like the Diablo 2 Assassin - and that doesn't stop you attacking in Blade Shield. Just... compare it to Dark Seer's Ion Shell. At nearly all stages of the game, Ion Shell is better. 17 By SlwaBluPhnx 2007-09-09 Great idea, loved it, loved the ulti and the frst spell, blade shields are lovely and the third skill reminds em of someone called Naix. My suggestions are;
18 By Raxxar 2007-09-09 Well well, what have we here?
19 By Eustace2 2007-09-09 Great!The first spell's picture is Assassin's one from diablo right? 20 By Raxxar 2007-09-09 Yes it is, and with the same name too 21 By NovaProspekt 2007-09-09 im friggin tired of people using characters from other games... be original thats obviously an assassin from diablo 22 By Raxxar 2007-09-09 Well, why don't you look at almost ALL the heroes in dota....
23 By Artimon 2007-09-09 ow my head, the ult is confusing 24 By dunks 2007-09-09 im sorry but blades are imba, imba, imba, no one realized that even if you managed a build that this retard put, HOW MUCH WILL IT COST, jesus no one can get all that, just cuz u can doesnt mean fill alll item slots idiots. If you had all those items the blade with 1st skill and ulti not even fun anymore, with skadi 3 second slow in that retarded fake build would be imba, which is why this rip off gets a 2/10 25 By dunks 2007-09-09 hey look my two made it from 5 stars to 4, this guy should be at one star retardedly imba 26 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-10 @ dunks = you suck worse GTFO. Notice the item build says DESIRABLE. Dumbass. Read all of the skill rather than just '300 AOE Poison Sting' or whatever the hell you thought it was. See below comment on Shadow Killers.
27 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-10 Oh, dunks, the usual:
28 By Ghost 2007-09-10 @Raxxar ok yes we were wanting do nerf the damage a heap on blade shield to start with but we also concidered that they need to quite literally be touching you
29 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-10 OK... more or less all of the above. Even if I already said it. 30 By Ghost 2007-09-10 @Raxxar ok yes we were wanting do nerf the damage a heap on blade shield to start with but we also concidered that they need to quite literally be touching you
31 By Ghost 2007-09-10 having briefly talked with shimrra_3 on msn we have decided to up manacost and cooldown of bladeshield 32 By Ghost 2007-09-10 as of the remake of this hero some time in the next week
33 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-10 Err... yes. I figured either all D2 icons or none, decided to try WC3 style first and couldn't find anything good for Dragon Flight so subbed that in. Probably will be better as all D2.
34 By seductas 2007-09-10 Imbalanced to teh max.. 35 By osmanrulz 2007-09-10 This hero can be an exeption to copying d2 :P no offense its a great hero, just like king leoric 36 By 27Luna 2007-09-10 I wont scream imba. I promise.
37 By Raxxar 2007-09-10 @Shimrra: you know where did they get Leshrac exactly? He's from the history in the Ice Age expansion, he's planeswalker, which means he's too powerful to be in a card...too bad right?
38 By Raxxar 2007-09-10 *not all of them skills sorry XD I though they were lol 39 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-10 @ 27Luna = I think it does need some kind of mana cost as well, yes. Perhaps 30 per charge or something. I don't know. Nothing huge.
40 By Straith 2007-09-10 cool 41 By NovaProspekt 2007-09-10 @rexxar Well, why don't you look at almost ALL the heroes in dota....
42 By got milk? 2007-09-10 ZOMGZORZ AWESOME in a way... I noticed you got it off of Diablo 2.. I JUST FINISHED PLAYING THAT GAME! lolol. Even her portrait looks like the assassin from D2. I liked it bud, but I prefer hero ideas that arent based off other things. Nevertheless, you did a great job n' i'd like to play a D2 like character on DotA. Anywayz, lets find eachother and play some Diablo 2 sometime ehh bro? 43 By Ghost 2007-09-11 @NovaProspekt
44 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-11 LOL @ above post, nicely done.
45 By duro†ar™ 2007-09-11 @ dunks:no flamming man,be calm and see the hero idea "Malark" and compare it with this one. 46 By NovaProspekt 2007-09-11 its funny how mad sum 1 can get over a game. actually not even the game a discussion about a game. pretty sad 47 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-11 NovaProspekt: you're pretty sad.
48 By lamson 2007-09-11 49 By osmanrulz 2007-09-11 I always thought venomancer was an imitiation from the hydralisk in starcraft, not in d2. Hows he relate in d2? 50 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-11 Poison Nova is one of D2 necromancers' abilities. 51 By kraoka 2007-09-11 to imba... but nice idea 52 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-11 I wish all you people who think it is imba would explain why this is their opinion so we might EXPLAIN IT OR FIX IT? 53 By Ghost 2007-09-11 @osmanrulz
54 By dunks 2007-09-11 i begin with a, good job on nerf of blade sheild, and beleive me or not i psted on a bad day on my end, sry for it, and i guess ill hope to see the good version of her and ill up my rating tenfold 55 By dunks 2007-09-11 oh and just to say, k is sorta a hard hotkey, W would work for it though, @ third skill 56 By Ghost 2007-09-12 @dunks
57 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-12 Why the F*** did we hotkey them both as S? I assumed we were smarter than that...
58 By Counter_Force[X] 2007-09-12 2nd ,3rd,4th skill is damn imba . I'll vote after changes.....LOL!! 59 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-12 Please explain supposed imbaness or theres not likely to be a change. 60 By Cherrytart07 2007-09-12 diablo skills? i dont like her. 61 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-12 Whats wrong with having Diablo skills...?
62 By Raxxar 2007-09-12 @Shimrra: don't bother yourself, these guys obviously don't know a thing about where ANY of the hero ideas come from, both Icefrog's and these, so it's no use trying to talk them into sense....
63 By Counter_Force[X] 2007-09-12 2nd skill, too long . 10 sec should be fine.3rd skill, nerf the chances. 22% is good .ulti not imba, my bad 64 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-12 @ Raxxar = hah, yes. You're probably right. We have indeed decided to ignore all further comments from one particularly annoying individual (you can probably guess).
65 By ExIl3d Pr0dIgy 2007-09-13 cool hero, i'd give it a 9/10, taking marks off coz i dun really like the ulti. 66 By Ghost 2007-09-14 @ExIl3d Pr0dIgy
67 By Knight Rhasta 2007-09-14 looks nice 68 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-14 I agree. I just love it when people explain things, rather than the innocent method of completely leaving it out, or the noob flamer method that doesn't clear up anything except that said flamer is brainless... and I know that YOU are smarter than that so tell us what it is!! 69 By SlwaBluPhnx 2007-09-15 No, Shadow killers are not imba, read the description carefully, it has good slow, but not a chasing slow so it balances out. The only thing that needs nerfing is the blade shields and that has been mentioned before. 70 By Counter_Force[X] 2007-09-15 OMG!! i'm dam stupid. din see the 'max once in every 3 sec' thingy lol. forgive me milord. 71 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-15 Lol. Ok. Now the problem is that I am really sick right now so it would be a bad idea to get Ghost in here to help me modify it... stupid cough!! *sigh* 72 By rambol 2007-09-15 How is she the cold maiden when only 1/3 of a skill actually does frost?
73 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-15 More-or-less correct. 74 By Ghost 2007-09-15 @rambol
75 By Raxxar 2007-09-15 Hey, I like the piercing damage idea, you know, with that, you could do with full base damage on the 20 seconds, but heroes wouldn't be so affected....
76 By Ghost 2007-09-15 @Raxxar
77 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-16 Loooook! Beautiful D2 icons! 78 By Ghost 2007-09-16 simply because i hate NovaProspekt..
79 By ExIl3d Pr0dIgy 2007-09-17 Sorry for my late reply, it's just ain't my style to rely on 2 skills to get 1 effect. Not that it's bad or anything, it's actually real good, just not my style, please don't get offended. I would like to thank shimrra_3 for giving my hero such a good rating by the way. 80 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-17 Lol. Its generally either a 10, does not rate due to lack of understanding, or does not say true rating so as not to visibly insult them but privately laugh my ass off. :p 81 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-18 Everything Ghost just said with double the swearing.
82 By mynameisnicd 2007-09-18 too imbalanced. i don't like it either. 83 By mynameisnicd 2007-09-18 oh unique icons by the way. nice. 84 By Ghost 2007-09-18 @mynameisnicd
85 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-18 What Ghost said. Again. 86 By Serathil 2007-09-19 I agree with Shimrra and Ghost, don't disrespect someone's idea like that just because it is unoriginal. Just the fact that he put time in making this, already means he is superior to you. 87 By Ghost 2007-09-19 @Serathil
88 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-19 Lol, someone already proposed to do Sephiroth - about a year ago. Y'know what I said then, I'll say it again now seeing as it hasn't changed:
89 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-19 Oh my god we didn't change the hotkeys!! 90 By Raxxar 2007-09-19 Oh damn!
91 By Ghost 2007-09-19 @Raxxar
92 By Raxxar 2007-09-19 Actually, about the name, you may want to ask the staff at Blizzard XD
93 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-19 Yes, hes a boss from D1. King Leoric -> Black King -> Skeleton King there was some transformation as Diablo TOOK OVER HIS SOUL muwhaha at least I think that was it. 94 By War_Wrecker 2007-09-20 ARAHRHGARHARGR!
95 By Ghost 2007-09-20 @War_Wrecker
96 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-20 You watched me design this hero. Its fine. Do you know what piercing damage is war. 97 By Titan24 2007-09-21 i liked the idea. But it still seems rly imba. increase the cd's and reduce the power of her ult. 7/10 98 By SirWolfBane 2007-09-23 WOWWW, EVEN "NATALYA" IS FROM D2, WOW, NEVER MAKE A HERO AGAIN, SERIOUSLY, NEXT GUY IS GONNA B A JAVAZON OR A WEREDRUID, SERIOUSLY, YU COPIED E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G FROM D2 RIGHT HERE. 99 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-23 Has PMed drew. Say your prayers illiterate one. 100 By popmatic 2007-09-23 I dun pretend to be wise or anything... but from wat i understand of how these skills come together.. its seems kinda Imba... the baldes nid some toning down.. 101 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-23 Compare to Naix. This one only triggers every 3 seconds at best. 102 By drew 2007-09-23 Warning to everyone posting comments here. It's a given that flaming is NOT allowed here in DS. Whoever you are, you better stop. This goes to everyone. More violations from you, you're BANNED. 103 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-23 W00T admin own you. He means you you you you you... and you. Definitely YOU.
104 By dcio 2007-09-23 the skill s in diablo 105 By Ghost 2007-09-23 ..illiterate?
106 By Ghost 2007-09-23 i should also probably add that because Blade Shield isn't magic damage it is also affected by armor so it actually has somewhat pathetic damage.
107 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-23 ...
108 By Pinky Ishkafel 2007-09-24 cool hero idea... 109 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-24 Clearly I have some explaining to do, on the other hand I'm gonna repeat a bunch of stuff the thing itself says very clearly.
110 By Pinky Ishkafel 2007-09-25 cool i really hope she will get to dota soon 111 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-25 Wasn't ALL me... meh. Yay. 112 By Ghost 2007-09-25 pfft *takes share of credit* (51% of 113 By Kakisho 2007-09-27 WOW Ioved the concept of pheonix strike but it seems a little too powerful.
114 By Ghost 2007-09-27 yes well it is based off the diablo II build for the assassin which i and quite a few others have made using the cold skills from her claw tree
115 By Ghost 2007-09-27 the most you will ever do with the ultimate is 337.5 which is basically 2 extra attacks
116 By Ghost 2007-09-27 triple posts sorry.
117 By War_Wrecker 2007-09-28 Oh hey, just thought i would let you know; for blade shield apparently damage based off heros can actually be maximum or minimum; its just that in dota its always minimum : (. also theres already a nice functioning framework of bladeshield; its in pudge wars but i wont elaborate except that it is perfect for what you want.
118 By drew 2007-09-28 Anyone who continues to flame or swear shall be banned. No exemptions. I mean it. Try to be civil guys. This is just a hero idea. Emphasis on "idea". If it was based on something or someone else, so are the other heroes of Dota. 119 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-28 I think I can see which posts got removed. Meh. Ghost tune it down a bit please. Cheers again drew. 120 By Ghost 2007-09-28 yay can tone it down
121 By Dragonia55 2007-09-29 The Ulti is way too IMBA man... make it more weaker could you imagine... skill 1 Plus Ulti lvl 3... Own!!!
122 By Shimrra_3 2007-09-30 If I have to say 'explain' one more time... 123 By Ghost 2007-09-30 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
124 By SlwaBluPhnx 2007-10-01 My build for hero is (Notice the pathetic str and int gains, you can't spam anything and you die way too easy.)
125 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-02 Is that for this hero? 126 By Tommoyang 2007-10-02 Hahahaha i really like the idea. And because my favourite hero is sourced from starcraft i have absolutely NO problems with this hero's sourcing from diablo 2. Just a little suggestion, can you make the ulti a little less complicated? I've read this whole page over 2 times and still don't think i get heads or tails of it. Do you mean when you do dragon flight the first time you do pheonix level 1, then within the next ten seconds if you do dragon you do pheonix level 2, and in the next ten seconds if you do dragon you do pheonix level 3? And is there anything else i need to know? Good work! I'd like to see more heroes built from other things too... 127 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-02 Ok.
128 By Ghost 2007-10-02 Basically.
129 By Raxxar 2007-10-04 Did you guys notice that this hero idea got way more comments than the others?
130 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-04 Well, theres also the fact that there are two creators commenting. Not to forget the off topic, overall useless comments like this. And then the warnings. *sigh* 131 By commanderZ 2007-10-07 ToTaLlY aWsOmE 132 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-08 Indeed 133 By dragonboy 2007-10-09 ummmm well the ulti is over powerd and her other spells are to weak so she is a good hero but the ulti cool down should take longer 134 By Ghost 2007-10-09 refer to all previous posts where we tell people that it isn't over powered.
135 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-09 Explain supposed overpowered-ness or prove that you can't read. 136 By pober24 2007-10-11 this character is based on diablo known as the assasin. natalya is also the name of an assasin. 137 By Raxxar 2007-10-11 Yes, in Diablo, the Assassin's model is based on that of a character named Natalya, who's just standing there in the third act (completely useless)
138 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-11 Eh. But Shadow Killers are better 139 By Raxxar 2007-10-11 Yes, if you look for sheer power then SK are better...
140 By Mysterial 2007-10-11 I have a funny feeling that the ulti wouldn't work out like anyone predicted and either be too imba or just simply be useless when put into practice. Interesting though.. no doubt about that. 141 By Ghost 2007-10-12 i pin it down as being useless.
142 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-12 ^^^^ Concur! ^^^^ 143 By War_Wrecker 2007-10-19 yes you die very very very very VERY fast, imagine it this way, 2v1 combination of Huskar and Necrolyte vs any1, lifebreak, scythe, now imagine that, only 20 times worse, now you get the scale of natalya's fragility 144 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-19 Lol... I wouldn't've put it quite that way, but yes she is very killable. No escape mechanism either. 145 By Bard Man 2007-10-19 ATTENTION!!! ATTETION!!! ATTENTION ALL DS PATRONS!!!
146 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-19 LOL... I thought he was above that kinda spam but I guess he is entitled to it. 147 By Bard Man 2007-10-19 Bard Man likes Spam on toast. 148 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-19 I see. Have you even rated this or are you not paying attention... 149 By Bard Man 2007-10-20 Whoops. Bard Man forgot. Anywho, this hero is deserving of a 10 in Bard Man's book. Sure you took the skills and stuff from D2, but who cares? LINA IS FROM ANIME FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!
150 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-20 Hah, but it is too much to hope that those idiots from the first 50-odd comments are paying the slightest bit off attention. Cheers. 151 By oMenisM 2007-10-23 good hero mans 152 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-23 Thanks. 153 By chukdy 2007-10-26 Dude! your character is sooo cool! Diablo Assasin huh? 154 By hsi3nrhu 2007-10-27 THIS IS SUPER IMBA HERO
155 By Shimrra_3 2007-10-27 Read it properly or get out please... 156 By Viper-Shadow 2007-11-01 ??? did u erased my coment???
157 By Shimrra_3 2007-11-02 Opinions of illiterate flaming people, even if they aren't doing that now but were before, are not worthy of attention. Not all ultimate skills are huge cooldown fool. Purge is Medusa ultimate and that just went from 20 to 12 second cooldown. 5 second autocast is not unusual.
158 By wugui 2007-11-03 After reading the comments, seems like there are alot of ppl arguing about the copied from D2 issue... well, may i ask you why the hell DOES it have to be original? What's so bad about having a character u know from another game put into Dota? don't judge a char by where he/she comes from(original or not), and give GOOD reasons on why u think this char sux... anyway i think the creators did a great job, Lol keep up the good work 159 By Shimrra_3 2007-11-03 Cheers 160 By evoblade 2007-11-04 this is only a natasha from ... why a fucking girl for DOTA ALLSTARS? DEVLET IDARESI ERKEK ISIDIR!!! 161 By evoblade 2007-11-04 butun turkler anladı anlicani kardesim ya 162 By evoblade 2007-11-04 and barathrum is alies and enemy,isn't he? 163 By Shimrra_3 2007-11-04 What the hell. Get off this thread. Admins attack... 164 By wugui 2007-11-05 @evoblade there are a hell lotta female characters in Dota you dumbass... and what the hell r u saying, type english damnit 165 By Shimrra_3 2007-11-05 Concur. Again.
166 By evoblade 2007-11-05 i know there is very nice fameles and i like it , but this a natasha.ok? 167 By evoblade 2007-11-05 i telling now i dont like character but i like the hero idea with skills 168 By chill_ryllai20 2007-11-08 i love it.. too dangerous! don't mind people who don't know how to appreciate ideas! Good job! 169 By tants19 2007-11-10 Erm. is kinda very messily done. Btw nice skill pics u hav thr. Can u teach me hw to make the framework of the skill. 170 By grillz16 2007-11-12 i like it very much. it's pure combination. 171 By laspatatas 2007-11-17 i probably doesnt lke dis hero... sorry... because of the idea of an icy monster was lessen... and became an elmentalists hero... how sad... 172 By AXCELACCEL 2007-11-21 ulti is imbalance, quick cooldown and low mana cost 173 By Shimrra_3 2007-11-21 @ laspatatas = yes you are sad.
174 By AXCELACCEL 2007-11-26 @shimra
175 By lanceler15 2007-12-23 the third skill... too much its like the last skill of razor... storm seeker. please tone it down its too much! 176 By thedeadly 2007-12-30 yeah right!!
177 By jambamownsyou12 2008-02-05 Good idea, sounds like a fun hero to play. 178 By Enmity 2008-02-26 mmm..why not give it mind blast and burst of speed?
179 By Ghost 2008-03-14 we were considering making a trapsin but decided against it.
180 By scrap4crap 2008-04-10 where is this hero?!?!
181 By sushii 2008-04-15 I agree, everything is from Diablo 2. The pictures, the skill ideas.
182 By TheToxido 2008-04-20 hey, great to hear from you again shimmra_3 ;)
183 By Blayde 2008-05-03 i like your idea of bringing Diablo II to wc3. ^^. just that you made her ult a bit rigged imo. 184 By bl@zer35 2008-05-10 His first skill is good for escaping or chasing an enemy but great ideas they should put this hero on dota |
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But anyway, about the idea, good job man, people need to expand their minds and get out of the box, after all, many existing DotA heroes are borrowed from other places. Hell, i'm looking forward to the day when I see Sephiroth getting Godlike, hehe..