Shuko - The Devils Surgeon

Nice idea, a very original skill. A few issues, the stat gain is on the high side, maybe reduce the int by a little, also seeing as this guy is the fusion nuke/dps hero, maybe reduce the int and str gain and up the agi a bit, i dunno, play with it and see what happens.
1st skill: cool, standard damage type buff
2nd skill: very basic as well, but useful nonetheless
3rd: Nice skill and failry balanced, but maybe increase mana usage... its way too spammable
ulti - very original skill, i like, but does it work in aoe, or does it affect only heroes? plz clairfy, cos right now its hard to judge the true power of this skill. Heres a thought, why not mess with thier skillz as well, like a casting a normal skill has a % chance of activating the ulti or another skill and vice versa... could create some serious pandemonium for the opposing side
Good idea, the ulti really appeals to me

only 1st skill and brain surgery is the skill worth getting
need improvement.first skill is worth it but see magnus
see strygwyr
improve the damage or add up lifesteal

till then 5/10

1st post yay!

I think overall nice hero, balanced but reminds me a bit of sylar from heroes :D

OMG WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GUY THAT CAN WALK THROUGH TRESS HIS SOO GOOD. IS HE COMING BACK. BY THE WAY THIS GUY DOESNT SOUND SO BAD. AND ANOTHER QUESTION WHEN WILL ALL THIS GUYS COME OUT

HEY NO FIRST POST! WTF?

Thinking about it, the stat gain might be too high, tone down the str gain a bit. And lower the ms a bti, it seems a little imba with this hero.

Yes that should balance it.

and more
pathetic range with skills to synergy
once those "four" peoples gets here,this hero idea will get pawned.you seek tooooo much balance until you made it underbalanced.

Actually i think the ulti is useless in someway,manyway,i should say it it almost useless,a player will find it out quite easily....
should improve it

ultimate is not useless.
say if QoP blinked to escape omnislash but she got hit my that, shes gonna cry.and how did i miss that? ulti is weak due to high cd to ability.lower it down a bit.90 would do

Kudos Nova, original hero, but i have seen the ultimate before ( i clicked a bad button in the world editor and now everything i make has things going in reverse reinstall ftw) but even then the one time i did see it, it was a mistake, lacking in synergies as you said but overall quite balanced, a 2 of your skills are quite weak perhaps mana scaple could also steal mana maybe 5/10/15/20 a hit, this makes the ability sustainable removing the need for the buffs others have called for.

given the duration and the simple logic required to counter the ultimate i would suggest cutting the cooldown and dramatically and maybe even add a little bit more of a duration.

oh and change the name.
Shuko - The Surgeon Killer
just doesn't do it for me.
Shuko - The Devils Surgeon
now he can be that great enigma his father always wanted him to be.

the first of "four" is here

i think that this hero would be nice.
maybe some changes along the way, but it will be nice.
1st skill, needs buff.
other skill i thing are very good.
love the his ulti.

Great!!i like the skills...so original yet plzz reduce its ms its so fast

To be a INT here, he doesent hurt much.. no dmg at all.. maybe inprove bleed out:

Level 1 - deals 40 damage per second and slows attack and move speed by 20% for 2 seconds
Level 2 - deals 45 damage per second and slows attack and move speed by 20% for 3 seconds
Level 3 - deals 55 damage per second and slows attack and move speed by 25% for 4 seconds
Level 4 - deals 60 damage per second and slows attack and move speed by 25% for 5 seconds

OP?

@ above = no, see, that would make it imba.

All skills fine how they are if you ask me. I agree with Ghost that the name could be a bit better/more imaginative, and I think that the stat gain is ridiculously high... well... above average. Ridiculous is +7 or so.

And I looove the ultimate... most original thing I've seen in about six months. I think the cooldown could be a bit lower though, or increase the duration. Consider that they'll figure it out if they have more time to do so. Like, if its 10 second duration, they find out in 7 seconds and go the other way, its only good for 7 seconds and then they do it faster the next time. 5 seconds, with Sceptre at that, that'll just mean they scream at their computers and rage because they've got no idea why they did that... on the other hand thats rather funny in itself.

10/10

thats 2 out of "four"
2 left

anyone that thinks this hero is imbalenced is an idiot.... think about how many buttons u would hav to mash to use skills perfectly ^^, all in all i'd say very good job, nice first skill, second is pretty ok not cheap at all, third skill with cd of 5 seconds might be a liiiittle bit harsh but not bad, and ulti is kinda odd i mean if u click at ur base, like where would u be clicking on the map? hahaha, like is it opposite polar y and x axis or something? anyways other than that after the 5 seconds that it lasts would they turn around and go towards that point or would they keep walking? totally odd and wierd anyways good idea and nice job totally clueless on ult but w/e 8/10 nice

I agree with most of the guys here, great idea with much originality, but i say: consider some of the suggestions on changing the ultimate... the thought about messing up heroes skills, or maybe even make then backfire and damage themselves (mohahaha)

Overall good 9/10 possible 10 after ultimate remake

bleed out should be something like this
level 4: 30% slow,55 damage per second last 8 6 seconds.
look at ogre magi's ignite.its better, and its AoE

REALLY NIIIIIICE!U have beaten me on creating a surgeon hero.All skills are fine however they are a bit weak especially 2nd and 3rd.Add some damage on 3rd and some more hp on the second.

Ulti is not original.This hero uses his spirit for surgeries etc.However he is not Kinetic and can not instantly change brain nerves.Well i think that u should do it a single target ulti with some channeling.Or do whatever u want.At least it should be original.^^

first of first, there are only 3 lvls of ultimate..and the ultimate needs i mprovement because as you level it, it costs more mana and i dont think people will still be confused by the time 2 seconds have passed

NovaProspekt wat happened to the guy that can walk through trees

im in the process of trying to edit it but my computer is bein a noob and keeps loading the editing page with errors so imma try and figure this stuff out and ill get back with yous guys as soon as possible

amazing skill man

Hey hey man about the ulti,is it single target or area or global?

Nice hero original skills.I'd give it a 8 outa ten.Some nice good sounding spells and i believe he could work in dota.Just one question,Always wondered what "Pure Damage" means.

i think the ulti should be different. like:
if the enemy hero was moving foward and u ulti him, he walks opposite direction continuosly (other player cant change direction of unit,as if it were stunned) for a shorter period of time like 3 seconds at level 1.

and if enemy hero wasnt moving and u ulti him, he just stands there(like paralysis)

so to get the most out of his ult you would have to use it when the enemy hero is running away. so that it kills the chase time and gives you and your team more time to kill the unit

Nice idea, cool skills

Looks even better than before with the changes. Good one.

To begin with, you typoed a skill name.

Mana Scalpel*: Hmm... It's a nice skill, but you should reduce the mana stealing effect. That or raise the mana used per second.

Surgery: Nice. a basic healing skill. Still, Bard Man recommends making it useable on enemies. That way you get to slice them up a bit more.

Bleed Out: Not bad. Not great either. You should increase the damage for if they move. Not saying you should turn this into rupture, but just give it a little boost for if they try to run from you.

Brain Surgery: Bard Man can see this being a little interesting, but not really dangerous. At;east not after they figure the skill out. Hell mard man would know what to do after the first/second time. Still, it's an inventive skill.


Out of curiousity, What was this guy's name before the update?

im not to worried about the typo ya kno, but bleed out doesnt really need any kinda boost i mean it does 250 damage no matter what. and if i could use the heal on enemies would make him have a nuke and im keeping this guy as a battle mage with no nukes, the manna steal is actually fine because it drains 20 a second and steals 25 its stealing enough to power its self and 5 extra i think that seems pretty fair.

3 of 4
still,surgery needs some improvement as well as bleed out

i find surgery to be fine seeing how it heals ur ally for 300 hp cuz thats kinda what it is ment for, but im thinkin about upping the heal or reducing the cool down. bleed is fine its a 250 damage slow that last 10 seconds. its fine i say.

of pure damage i see
but the heal needs to be increased. omni's heal is wayyyyy better

ill prolly just take the c/d down cuz hes not omni and not really ment to be a healersupport hes ment to be a battle mage int based damage dealer and hero killer

Ulti is easy to counter but very tricky. The heal kinda weak, compare with purification.
8/10

@Sigokil

im sure u read the other comments. all u did was say what counter said
"counter_force[x] but the heal needs to be increased. omni's heal is wayyyyy better"

not even cool.

personaly i dont think bleed out and brain surgery is a good synergies because if you want them to run to you, you want them to come as fast as possible before they know whats wrong, withbleed out they walk slower to you, making time for them to realize.
i would also say this hero would be in a good combination of tauren who blocks off the pat after the enemy run to you because of the ulti and dark seer who can place a barrier and if your enemy is stupid enough, he wil walk 3 times in it making lots of shades at the seers command.
Now at the end i would make the bleed out skill an orb effect that would fuck up the enemy's item ballance, it is like taking away a life steal or the slow effect from EoS but you have to decrease the duration time of bleed out to keep it a little ballannced.
for most of the part it is a good hero build, try to ballance it more and keep up the good work

tangna mo gago!!!tanga k b?lol

well lets see it actually does synergize. because u use ulti FIRST then after they run tward your base u use bleed out and it takes them longer to get back.

Hey, I think you should improve the 1st and the 3rd skill. The 1st skill is Mana Break + Mana Drain + Empower. way too imbalance. The 3rd skill also too imbalance. 25 % slows and 250 damage. Can kill an enemy if he doesn't have any escape skill

no offence but i think u dont kno what ur talking about. because the first skill is a basic buff with a orb draining mana. mana break is like 64 or 65 mana steal per hit. 25 isnt very high

and bleed out is fine also. at level 4 it does 250 damage thats not much and not even a low hp agi hero would die from it

i kno they arent imbalacned because ghost ive had ALOT more people say its balanced ive had people say its under powered but its fine.

Mana Scalpel* (I noticed this as well) is balanced. Nobody seems to notice that this is a constant drain, like Electric Rave on Storm, rather than a cost-per-attack autocast skill. That means that if he doesn't attack much while he has this on, he not only wastes his mana but doesn't get to replenish it by stealing it from the target. And he only has 290 movespeed, and, finally, what the hell - hes a caster! Not like Dazzle-type caster with huge damage and imba gains who is, in fact, dps, but more like, say, Dark Seer? With absolutely nothing else that makes him a good attacker? Therefore, him having this skill at all doesn't even fit, so its not imba in the slightest.
Any questions?

I like the hero.

original skills, and I thought that if u use skill three (bleed out) and the enemy stops, he won't get hurt. but when I saw that really nice ulti and Ik knew it could be easily countered by a good mind I would keep the hero without changes and give it a 9/10

kk get your comments in on what i should do b4 tomarrow cuz im gunna do some editting tomarrow mainly shortening the c/d on the heal and fixin the typo

Alright, well everyone's been talking about all the other skills and they're all good and balanced, but I'm here to talk about the ultimate.

First of all, I have to say that I also had this idea but I couldn't find a way to make it work, here are my concerns.

If you tell your hero to move back to your base (clicking on the minimap) then where will he end up going? Because they can't just move backwards, they need to have somewhere to go, whenever you tell a unit to move, it moves to a specific point on the map, so where will this marker be placed exactly?

Also, if you tell your hero to "attack an area" instead of moving to an area (which is what most people do, really (unless you're running away) will the hero move in the opposite direction of the unit it would be attacking? I mean, I'm sure you would use this ult in a gank or when all members of both teams are present, it won't just make them run away, they'll still fight. When you tell a hero to attack an area, you all know he doesn't go to that specific spot if there are enemies there, he'll attack anyone in a certain area where you told him to attack. He will therefore still be chasing a target if you tell him to attack it, right? Which brings me to my next point.

If you are the Surgeon and you're running away from a hero that would surely kill you and the hero chasing you has you targeted with 'a' or with a spell and then you do your ult to escape, he would still be chasing you, I mean, how can he go in the opposite direction of a moving target, that makes no sense.

Like I said, I had been thinking of a spell that makes the target move in the opposite direction but there isn't really a way for it to work in game, unfortunately Unless, of course, you've thought of a way to counter all of these problems, in which case I applaud you.

On another note, does anyone know why my two new hero ideas came out, but are at the bottom of the Hero Ideas page?? It makes me so angry because I worked so hard on them and no one sees them

well obviously the game is played on a coordinate plane so if u right click 1 spot it will go to the opposite spot on the map weather it be minimap or regular map.

but this skill is not an attacking move. what you use it for is exactly like rupture when the enemy hero is low hp and starts to run you use it on him. thing is with this there is no "framework" so you dont know when its activated on your hero the framework will just look like a normal attack.
so if they press a and attack on you then they will stay and fight n die. if they press a and attack 1 of theyre creeps it should just go to the ooposite possition of the map.

and if your running from a hero and u use ult and he had attack set on you your hero would become the coordinate so when you move tward your base he moves tward his.

logic here is they then need to start spamming run at enemy base to escape, then it wears off and they do start running at the enemy base.

@Counter_Force[X]
shim isn't one of the four, he could be if he wrote more than a sentence on most other heroes.

this ulti can catch even the most seasoned player off guard because if ur in a panic then ur not gunna notice it for the first few seconds and then ull have to think fast.

this ulti can catch even the most seasoned player off guard because if ur in a panic then ur not gunna notice it for the first few seconds and then ull have to think fast.

Ghost, is Bard Man one of the four? >.>

hmm i been thinking of a solution on if your the surgeon and he's chasing you and then you cast ulti on him. maybe if he attacks you while his on ulti a dummy unit will go on the reverse direction you or possibly other people are going, that's just my suggetstion

@Ghost
allright shim is out so we need 2 more hardcore hero idea destroyer. Mr Zombie aint here yet?

Original idea but I think if you add REMOVES DEBUFFS ability to Surgery it will be quite balanced.
Less heal than Purification,but removes most debuffs,now that's something a surgery would do.

sorry about that double post up there. but i think the only other things my changing is the typo and surgeryc/d to 11

Wow I wish I had any idea what you're talking about lol. Four what? Nobody tells me anything...

So i really like the concept of this guy just a couple things I would like to add.

Mana scalpel made me pee blood. I personally think it's just a too imba late game. Say you get a couple hyperstones or whatever, you could be draining upwards of 50-75 mana a second when hitting your target whle only losing 20 a second due to the spell but also having an additional 40% damage. I don't know, either tone up the mana cost a second or reduce the mana it steals. (Or if you lower the mana steal and up the amount of mana it costs allow it to be used on allies.)

And I still think that your ulti, however cool it may be, needs to have a 60 second CD, and possibly another adverse effect (like, say if the target is attacking they have a 30%/35%/40%/45% chance to deal the damage to themselves.) Just thought that'd be cool.

Otherwise pretty good job.

hey NovaProspekt i have slight question to the ulti what if the enemy has the brain surgery and reversed by magnataur or vacuumed by ishkafel or hook or swap or blink

the four is a word to expalin 4 peoples who destroyed hero ides with simple, pure word.
and since mr zombie is here, all i need is 1 more opinion from very super smart DS member before i rate

I can destroy hero ideas with one word... you mean, coming in, reading the whole thing, and screaming:
FAIL!!!
Like that. Right? I can do that easily...
Hmmmm fixes even more, even better.

swap would work as normal the mag ulti would work cuz its ulti but blink and hook would go opposite direction of what you clicked

Bard Man
MrZombie
cowlickman
Ghost

you have your 4 so hurry up and rate.
everyone else, attempt to join the four, it's easy, just review heroes properly (here meaning something about each skill and the concept, not 3 words or acronyms ZOMG WTF AWESOMESAUCE is not a review.)

@the changelog, yes it was me who who suggested the name change ^_^

everything is good now from my point of view

@ghost
thank you i think so too

The last skill man is so ugly i mean ugly!!!

how so please do explain

Alright, so I really didn't appreciate your comments on my heroes. Not because they were negative, I can handle constructive criticism, in fact I love it! But in your case, everything you said was false. One reason for this is because, for my Harpy Scout, everytime you said my skill was similar to someone else's skill, you add "but this is different" afterwards. Here goes:

1. "your gust is like banehallows feral heart with upped movespeed and no attack gain
and its like a ranged spectres dispersion only upped and w/o the short stunn and evasion."

so what you're trying to say is that it only has banehallow's speed increase (not the attack gain) and spectre's damage return to other units (and not the stun or the AoE). So really it only incorporates one similarity from each, that's not like either of those skills, it's parts of them. On top of that, the damage return isn't even the same format! No other hero can do what Harpy can do.


2. "skydive is like voidwalkers timewalk with damage and a self stun."

Void and Mirana can both jump and they both have different effects. Void's are negative towards the enemy and Mirana's are positive for her allies, just like Harpy deals damage. The only thing that is the same is that they both move to a position and slow enemies, there are plenty of heroes that are already in dota that have similar skills (if not the same). For example, Bounty Hunter and Clinkz both have windwalk. Mortred and Venomancer both have Shadow Strike, etc. Timewalk and Skydive are not the same.


3. "gale is pretty much the only skill thats original cuz its got knockback other than that its mags shock wave"

why didn't you just say that it's the same as carrion swarm? or the same as Illuminate but no cast time? or illusionary orb but without the ability to blink? or sonic wave but not as much damage? all these skills are the same except for one small difference. Out of all my skills, this is the least original, you've got it all backwards.


4. "ulti as previously said is like trents overgrowth cept you cant attack them while its going on and its a smaller aoe"

you said it yourself, the ulti is like treant but without the large aoe and the ability to hurt them while they're affected.... so really it's nothing like it at all, these are two completely different skills.


Now for the other hero, my Murloc:

5. "torrent similar to undying with no attack damage but it slows and it heals 3 times more
i guess that could work i mean it sounds nice to gain that hp back so u press a button and a torrent dies u gain hp well ucan just press T then press E 4 times and u gain 550 hp back seems like alot. "

how is it similar to undying at all? undying has no stationary buff, he has no attack speed reduction or mana regen increase... And you can't spam the absorbing and regaining health, there's a COOLDOWN.


6. "drown is similar to your other hero idea skydive with out the self stun and it doesnt move your hero. deals almost the same damage "

drown isn't even close to skydive! the ONLY thing they have in common is that they both slow... I can name you soooo many skills that slow, doesn't mean they're similar at all. Also, getting damage over time and direct damage is not the same thing, even if the amount is the same.


7. "hydroplaning is against the dota custom hero guide pretty much. NEVER make the heroes skill mapposition dpendant, but u can also use 1 of 2 skills to make it work too but still. its kinda like treants nature guise with movespeed"

Now that's just ignorant... I've written down several times that Triton does not NEED to be at the center of the map for this to work... it will be useful for him, sure, but he has 2 other spells that enable him to use Hydroplaning to his advantage. Dota custom hero guide...? What the hell?


8. "hydrophobia yay an original idea BUT its kinda overpowerd because it has the potential damage well if u use torrent we dont kno how long that last so i suspect it lasts for ever till you heal off of it and so theyre incontact and taking 50 dps for 20 seconds while your using drown on them and attacking them"

At least you can see that this one is original. This spell, however, is not overpowered. You clearly didn't read the examples of how this spell works. It doesn't do dps... read it again! Tell me when you do so I can value anything you say. Sure it CAN do a lot of damage but compare it to Lina and Lion... INSTANT 1250dmg (and 850dmg ) with no skill, just a click. You need skill to pull Hydrophobia off!


Now, for the reason I really didn't appreciate your comments. I can understand that you can't compare anything to save your life but the fact that you're being a Hypocrite about it... that's what angers me. Lets look at your surgeon. Now, before I start, I just want to say that all the skills are fine and balanced, but are they really original? You went out of your way to demonstrate how each and every one of my skills (except Hydrophobia) copies another, so lets see how yours stack up.

1. Mana Scalpel:
at Level 4 - adds 40% damage and steals 25 mana per hit with a 30 mana per second cost.

This is basically Magnataur's Empower, with less damage increase, and Anti-mage's mana break put together. The only difference is that you pay mana to keep this active.

2. Surgery:
at Level 4 - heals self for 150 hp or heal ally for 300 hp

this is exactly Omniknight's heal, except yours is better (on allies) at lower level, and not as good on higher level, and it does no damage... it's just a heal. So basically it's a shitty version of Omniknight's heal with a shorter cooldwon (1 sec!!) and a bit less mana cost (but your first skill makes sure you spend that mana uselessly)

3. Bleed Out:
at Level 4 - deals 25 damage per second, slows attack and movement speeds by 25% for 10 sec.

Ever heard of Traxex? Her arrows slow down your attack just as much and even slows your movement speed by 40%. All you did was add damage over time. (Venomancer, Viper, Mortred, Broodmother, Lucifer, Silencer, Enigma, Ogre, Twin Dragon, Huskar, Queen of Pain, Bloodseeker, Warlock, Meepo and Ish'kafel all have damage over time skills)

4. Brain Surgery:
at Level 4 - Enemies move in opposite direction for 10 sec (12 with scepter)

Well you know how I feel about this skill. This one is completely original, it's pretty much the only original thing about your hero, that I can appreciate (still not sure how it would work in the game though)


You see, as "similar" as my skills might seem to other skills, they aren't really that similar. You even keep saying it yourself "it's similar to this but without this and this". That means it's not similar. And before you go and accuse me of being unoriginal, you should make sure you're not guilty. There's nothing I hate more than a hypocrite (except maybe a Biggot).

I gave you 5/10 for unoriginality. The fact that you have a doctor theme gave you a couple points

see i think thats cute. the fact that i didnt like his heroes he got in a tiff and had to go off on my hero. the thing is my hero has been rated at least 7/10-10/10 by almost every 1. why would i get a 5/10 from you? i can sence sum hostility because i dont think your heroes will do well. to be frank they just dont seem like they would do well in dota.

and i dont quite appreciate you commenting me about your personal problems on my hero idea page. do a private message next time

oh and i can see that your mad u have everyright to be. i never rated your heroes yet, i could go give them 5 or below but im not an asshole like that, coming from 1 of the 4 thats sad.

@cowlick
i dont care about this double post but i think its in order.

another thing the only thing that makes surgery similar to omni cuz its a heal thats it

the fact that mana scalpel is similar is cuz its a damage selfbuff

and most slows are the same but i made mine differnt by doing smaller damage and having it as pure.

imean all you did was take a skill of a hero and make a variation of it and combine some skills

and i also put the mana steal there cuz ghost told me that would be a good idea so i did.

rated 9/10
@shimmra
that was what i meant
@cow
calm down

no i think i know what he means by my skills are "similar". my skills are similar yes, but similar in a very broad aspect like most heroes have a move than is unique besides theyre ulti and i dont think he knows this

lets point out his hydroplane from the murloc, its much like natures guise. natures guise is a unqique skill no other hero has an invisibility like that, and his hero has the opposite. its not tree based its waterbased.

Why is fat cow pmsing on your heroes comments? Seems like he's angry but I think it's corrupt advertisement.

first skill imba.....almost no net mana loss, esp. once u get intel and mana saving items

Ok, I sincerely appologize about that comment. I was in a sour mood yesterday already when I posted that and it was inapropriate. I don't even know why I'm arguing about all this, we could go on forever. I said I gave you a 5/10 only based on the "similarity" of the skills, which you seemed to hold in such high regard as you were rating my ideas. Anyway, like I mentionned, your idea is good and there's nothing wrong with it. I didn't actually give you a 5, I didn't rate yet.

Again, it's just because every skill is similar to another skill, that was the point I was trying to make. Your skills are just as similar to some skills as mine are to other skills. Everything new is based on something that already exists.

Anyway, sorry again, I should have sent you a pm.

actually the first skill is fine. cuz your not gunna always get the hit and drain 25 manna. and 30 mana a second is alot.

basicly he dont have mutch dmg or armor neather hp no maybe a nice stat gain and ms would not be so bad

it is not easy farm char has no AEO or nothing if redusing stat gain this hero will just SUX ... only use of his skills will be to RUN RUN AND RUN :p

wow nice hero he makes his enemies "EMO" lol but indeed he is a great hero

Ultimate is the real deal on this hero! it rocks

@NaRc0T

well actually this hero has REALLY high damage, with the nice stat gain, int items that add about 50 damage each, AND the big 40% increase

and this hero wont suck, running will be a good technique you will die less but hes also a hero killer and you will kill heroes early on

I like the last skill unique.Something like if you cast it on an enemy hero and he goes WTF!! who's controlling me!!!!

But im wondering if your enemy has Chen and uses that skill he has that teleports,would it teleport to the other well?

Why the hell would it teleport to the other well?

Which brings up a bit of a problem with this skill. Not really a problem but whatever. Mortred can only blink strike on to targets she clikcs, so I don't think this would make mortred blink the opposite direction cinsidering I don't think it would be able to recognize an area within the same distance with an occupying target.

oh snap.
as it is a spell i think she would move in the right direction.
Enemies moves in opposite direction for 10 seconds. (12 seconds with scepter)
well she can blinkstrike twice.
but a good mortred would just stand there and take in some abuse until she gets the fabled 2k crit. and kills you instantly.
any movement skill that requires the targeting of an enemy hero would move you in the right direction, these include... blink strike... nether strike.. charge... and swap i guess.

IMO spells would all function normally. Its when you yourself choose to MOOVE somewhere. You getting displaced by Black Hole would not be reversed into being pushed away, nor would you Blinkstrike this dummy unit in the other direction or something weird like that.

but if that happens,(spell works reversely ) BS would be an ultimate partner

FUCK!!!!!COOL HERO,VERY POWERFUL!!!!!! I hope that it will be a success!

Wow the ulti is really creative and orgin, i really look forward to play this hero,the ulti is good at chase/escape, or anything else, but the only thing i don,t especially like is the surgery skills, is to little hp for him self, will be useless at late game, so why don,t change so it get more hit points for ally and him self and get like 20 sec colldown, just a tip

Great hero...

i don't know aiming a spell like carion swarm/dragon slave/breath of fire would look good going in the other direction.

lol pudge pro hook there you hit the guy behind you.


surgery could do with a buff.
up the ally heal to 400 and yours to 300 or give it something else when a unit is healed.

imba hero

I've been really hesitant of posting about this hero..
I personally hate doctors.. FEAR NOT!
I will not let that effect my rating!

First of all.. I like the hero...ish...
he's definitely creative and useful.

Pros:
1) creative story.. not another silly revenge one.
2)creative and decent skills (none really broken
3)balanced skill gain
4)creative ulti
Cons
1)1 or 2 skills that seem underpowered...
2) the ulti...explain later

elaboration
pros
1) too many people make it that the person seeks revenge..so I like how this guy isn't like that
2)cant see broken skills at all.. no more broken than any other dota hero
3) duh
4) ulti is definitely creative. I've seen ideas like this before... so its not uncommon... It controls battle. definitely useful
I would change the name however. since you already have a "surgery" ability...
how about Brain Swap? or Brain Flip?
Cons:
1) bleed... although it slows... it seems very early game useful...than late its so/so...
2) the ulti
I don't think this would work...the mechanics and the coding you'd have to do to make this really work is too complicated... i dunno if icefrog would do it
not saying its bad... its just very complicated to do...again..name change? multiple surgery techniques are confusing.


will rate later.

see im not a big fan of people who have revenge stories i myself like the stories where the guy goes crazy and just starts droppin people

Lol, your typical psychopath with unusually sharp implements, yes? Hehehe...

i think that being able to rate a hero idea should take some kind of ranking system that shows you know the basics of dota, cuz im tired of these noobs saying this hero would suck when i had almost perfect reviews from what would happen to be the 4 best oppinions on hero ideas.

The ulti is so lame...

Just click to the enemies direction and you will walk backwards....

Haha!!!

Brain Surgery?? when used the enemy will go opposite way??? automatically?? or when he is moving???

@09275362090
well if you think the ulti is lame, make your own hero idea and try to come up with something better i mean no 1 even knows you your oppinion isnt respected. i mean you only have 1 post on the forum, u shouldnt be aloud to rate peoples heroes

@darrell13
as for your question, its if they move

I agree with Nova! Make your own if you think you're so good!

I'm disagreeing with Nova.. but not completely.

lemme explain

No...noobs should not just post "the ulti sucks" cause they have no good ideas.

However...you can't just say, anyone without a hero concept on the board or at least in the works..should not be allowed to vote.

some of us just don't have the time.

I think rather... don't post stupid things... give reasons for why you disagree...and add constructive criticism...not just criticism

Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about useless comments. There should be a way to take them off because they are a waste of space and a pain to go through when reading the comments. Maybe we should ask Drew to implement something appropriate?

NovaProspekt)
i know its great you have all the people with credit around these boards saying that this hero is good and if anything under powered and all the other randoms screaming IMBA LOL ZOMG WHAT IF I ATE A TOMATO... NO WAIT I DONT LIKE TOMATO MAYONNAISE...
Just a message to everyone like that.
I hate you.

EndlessWrath)
cerebral switch..
how is that for a renaming of the ultimate.

cowlickman)
it is to hard to set up something that stops people from plaguing these boards..i guess there is the VIP lounge.. but you need to become a VIP

I was thinking more of an editing option, to take of or "hide" messages that do not help the hero idea. Of course only the creator would have access to this option. It could also get rid of those ugly double posts... ewwww!

I say a fist is installed into computers that determines I.Q. through internet forum posts and punches anyone in the nuts that posts something stupid.

And if it's a girl, then they are given a set of testicles so they can be punched as well.

cheers!

Bard Man approves of that!

Good plan good plan. Methinks that the creator-deletion option has been discussed and turned down because it would allow the creator to delete posts they simply didn't like, despite them being constructive and helpful in reality. Or similar.

Well if someone decides to delete a constructive comment, that means that they are one of these people we are trying to restrict from even posting them. Therefore, they deserve to use the system inadequetly because they're not good enough for it.

brain surgery is too easily countered, make it they just try to walk in random directions.

and why was he a clock worker?

why did you double post?

and why do people get jobs?

is this your idea of a joke?

Its interesting...just reminds me of Naruto...the battle btwn Kabuto and Tsunade. Kabuto uses the chakra scalpels and u have the "mana scalpels".

ur ult is similar to where Tsunade uses Chakra to screw up the messages in the brain making the signals go to different places. It makes it seem like you saw the show and decided to take the idea.

So, not as original, but still a good idea regardless.

To me some of his skills are a lot like Yakushi Kabuto's skills from Naruto... Specifically the scalpel and the one with the movement reversal caused by nerve damage...
Pr maybe I'm too much of a Naruto Fan...

really cool hero and i agree that u might figure out pretty easy not to click in the base...but yeah..that little second might rescue u or get another kill...
I liked it

wtf is naruto. is that like japananime stuff? cuz thats not what i like to watch

Sorry, just seem a little too similar...

But even if you copied, it took a bit a creativity to characterize him GJ

Bard Man recognized the similarity between Yakushi Kabuto and this guy too, but didn't feel like saying anything.

Also, Bard Man doesn't watch the anime. Bard Man prefers to read the manga.

what the hell is manga?

Sorry, just seem a little too similar...

But even if you copied, it took a bit a creativity to characterize him GJ

first of naruto isn't very good died at about....ep 120..
bleach is worse like that it went at about 50.. whenever the first arc finished..
the thing is they cycle too much.

zomg someone who is stronger than me!
10 episodes of training
fights
looses
trains
fights
win
ZOMG ANOTHER GUY WHO IS STRONGER THEN ME... WHY??!


jingu3 managed to double post but it is well concealed by 2 other comments that appeared in between

anyway nothing new here, still an awesome hero

this hero is too imba, first of all wat a rigged ass passive skill, 40% dmg increase then u mana drain and yet u recieve mana per hit back rofl. u lose 5 mana for 40% dmg increase and mana drain, and bleed out is too rigged for a skill, it should be switch with the ult like BS.

first of all you dont even know remotely what your saying. this hero is far from rigged. no its not a passive its a skill like storm spirit his move electric rave-not passive, and 2 blood seeker has plus 80% damage increase thats almost a freakin double damage, thats almost svens ulti for gods sake

and believe me you wont keep your mana up long 30 a second is alot and u wont always get the hit the guy and gain the mana back.

bleed out is fine all it is is 250 damage slow its not that bad you have poor judgement, this hero is actually underpowered and i think hes fine that way

to be able to keep the first skill on all the time, you must attack once every 0.9 seconds and you must be attacking a unit with mana AND on top of that they need to not run faster than you. because as everyone knows treads may bea great item but if the pricks run faster than you the IAS isnt going to help much.

NOT IMBA LEAVE THE FIRST SKILL ALONE

@ 120 = I agree with Nova and Ghost. Perfectly balanced + learn to read.

@ghost

"leave britney alone!!!" "SHE ISNT IMBA LEAVE HER ALONE"

so the other day I played an enfos...for the first time in probably a year...

i sucked... but thats not my point.

I found an interesting way to project the "Brain surgery technique."

there was a spell... that would make the player of target hero lose orientation.
the spell was cast on me... and I couldn't do anything.

the screen kept bugging out ... like going in every direction.

my point is... why not do that? definitely not as long but for 3/4/5 seconds (6 if scepter)
your opponents screen loses control and goes in every direction?

anyways just an idea

this hero sounds funny

im getting confused with the ulti.....

imo from a standpoint of constructive criticism, his introduction could use a rewrite

noobs

if you are going to post a single word comment can you please next time make it a real work?

thanks in advance

Nice hero idea, I love it =)
Some comments: For the first skill, if its additional 40% damage including item damage, i tink should be nerfed. 30 mana drained per second. Should lower it. But other skills are fine, gj! 8/10!

Nice hero idea, I love it =)
Some comments: For the first skill, if its additional 40% damage including item damage, i tink should be nerfed. 30 mana drained per second. Should lower it. But other skills are fine, gj! 8/10!

yeah no its fine the way it is.

you get owned against silencer with your first skill.
if you are in the stupid auras range then you activate mana scalpels it will silence you this deactivating them.
providing it has some form of casting animation.
consider yourself countered.

no this skill is just like storms electric rave that doesnt get silenced by his aura

no this skill is just like storms electric rave that doesnt get silenced by his aura

I'm trying to make a dream hero, i've got the info, but I wanna know how to insert pictures. Please help?
I'll tell you guys when my hero is ready to get reviews (rivoku - eternal blade). thx
-yuernoownage

dont post that stuff on my hero. if you have a question ask sum 1 personaly. u should have to pay me money for that freakin advertisement.......

oh snap well resort to plan b, put drow onto him.

man, my new hero is pissin me off. i messed up while i was makin the discussion thing i was almost done with it and 1 of the pictures changed the page and erased everything. its 4 in the morning and im about to scrap the whole hero.

i find alot of the stuff on discussion page useless. like heroes he does well with??? useless. and skill build i mean its kinda obvious what the skills should pan out to be and other people might want to do it them selves.

i have taken to saying "its not the hero you work well with but the player"
lets face it guyes, mortred is an awesome hero killer.
but on the other hand, in the hands (play on words there) of a flaming noob she isn't going to do much.
heroes to watch out for.
higher level, more damage, more life, bigger dps, disables, skill (player) and number of allies nearby or missing)
any combination of the above is likely to kill you.

hehe.... i think this hero can pass to be an official hero... ^^

nice... although it lacks originality because of the 3 skills... still it's not really the same things... ^^

nice 1.... 10/10

hehe.... i think this hero can pass to be an official hero... ^^

nice... although it lacks originality because of the 3 skills... still it's not really the same things... ^^

nice 1.... 10/10

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still no response from Nova on my idea for him.

well... still no response period. I feel as if it was a good idea


Idea: make the player's (of the target hero) move at random & uncontrollably rather than have the hero move. It'll heavily "disorient" the character for sake of in game... and its very hampering for play.

imagine this: you have centaur and you have zeus. Both are coming at you for a gank. you can only use this on one... so you use it on zeus. why you ask? cause if centaur has already targeted you... he's already gonna attack you... but zeus won't be able to control his screen, so he won't be able to target you with his spells... at least for 5 or so seconds...

now although some may think that Icefrog cannot set up the necessary coding to do this.. play Enfos... it's possible.
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Kinda sad I haven't gotten a response. I thought it was a good idea.

see when i dont respond to an idea it means i dont either A dont like it or B dont care about it.

for 1 i want it to be reverse move because it can be countered but it can have the greatest players in a time of panic and be like OH SHIT i screwed up good

surgery kinda funny

very powerful character...

1st off, that remake has being suggested already.
2nd well as he said, it is an easy spell to counter but try doing that in the forest.

and yyou kno what can screw you. you may not know when the ulti ends. and you actually start heading tward the opposite team base..lol

double post omg!

umm ive been thinking. i think i should up his attack speed, its dangerously slow for a battle mage

to let you people know i am currently unbanned hazaaa!

the first three skill are good. but his ulti is...uhmmm...i think an imba

Okay, for all you guys who don't understand the ultimate, here goes:

You cast it on the enemy while he's running away.

It takes about 2-4 seconds to realise that he's going the wrong way now, so he starts clicking the wrong direction, but infact he's going where he wants to go. As the spell ends, he's clicking the wrong way again! It takes about 2-4 seconds to realise again. So this ulti is basically a trickster to lure the enemy into your path. Good chaser! Nice ultimate @ NovaProspekt.

i said its good

Very original skills especially ultimate very creative :)

holy @#$@ thats uber cool gj!

best hero ever, i know because i made it, F|_|CKERS LOL!!!

ur a rude bastard nova
im glad u got banned

nova is pushing it and now you are too.

(said the guy with 2 warnings for flaming flamers... the more i think about it the more i think i deserved 1.)

Just another thought. I understand the whole idea of your ulti and it's really awesome and original. BUT-
If you can get close enough to someone, penetrate their armour defence or whatever they have for protection, and stil have the ability to rewire the nerves in his/her brain. Why not just kill the person while your at it...?

nice nice ulti!!!

nice hero
what will he look like?
what is the casting range on the 3d and 4th spell?

overall 9/10

Sexy

mmm... nice hero But you'd better improve its ultimate...... Bye... I'm peruvian

awesome story....cool hero

Love ulti, sounds kinda funny

DUDE?!!!THIS HERO ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YEAH BABE!!!

The bleed out is too bleedy but very cool

very nice, it is a balanced hero i think, i hope icefrog sees it :P

good done.