Mantasa - The Pandaren Firelord

nice one

i like it like raijin an element of panda and he's one of my fave heroes.

Best hero idea I've ever seen

Very nice!
I really like it
Except i think there are a few things that need to be changed.

1.Firelords Lust: Its WAY to powerful...ESPECIALLY because it works on NEUTRAL units. He would be a farming machine, 5 seconds is very long...try lowering the numbers a bit when killing a creep.

2.The ult..is a great idea kinda like dragon faeries ult...and i think 800dmg is too much, maybe 350 and extra 250 if they go out of the ring.

Overall great idea, i like it a lot.

Great job man... Love the skills, very balanced...
You will definitely have to know when to use the skills, as he won't have too much mana (or just buy an Arcane Ring lol)
Man shooting creeps sounds like fun lol
Great hero 10/10

nice one

ok

somersault: nice idea. Good for running away since you become invulnerable. Its not really meant for damaging.

regurgitate: Nice idea too. Except i think its a little too powerful. The damage and slow is equal to Netherdrakes ulti. I think.

Firelord's lust: A little too imba right now. Try lowering the buff. Cause as soon as you get the buff, itll be easy to kill people and keep the buff.

Ring of fire: really cool. But, how long does it last? you never said that.

Overall good!!

I love this idea! Really great and original, congrats

Somersault: great idea, everything is good but the damage seems really minimal for that type of spell. I suppose it has low mana cost though so it's alright!

Regurgitate: I like how you need something to be able to use it, and can't just do it whenever you want

Firelord's Lust: I don't think lust is the right word for this but you might want to reduce the stats a bit

Ring of Fire: Love it! I'm making a fire hero too!

pretty nice.

first skill: is this a target skill like blink? or do you go in the direction your facing like potm's leap?

second skill: this skill has a downside,
you may not always have a creep near by so you can be outa luck and waiting on a spawn in theyre base. but still nice

third skill: an amazing farming skill, you can turn a ending game around have him defend base.

ultimate: when you say passes trough it do you mean into AND out or just into?

oh sorry its exiting, i didnt see that. umm maybe thats a little too powerful. mabe take the exiting damage down a little? like down to 300 or 250?

and how does that apply to blink? does blink get effected by blinking out of the circle?

and about windwalk do invis units get effected also?

Nice hero idea, some questions i got.

How fast goes the panda when he is rolling?
How long does the ulti last?

Also i think his lust and ulti is a little to strong. 800 damage is A LOT and also 80% attackspeed and 40 damage for 5 sec is long, maybe reduce the time with 1-2 sec.

Nice hero however

P.S: you should either increase Somersault's cooldown or remove the invulnerability, because invulnerability every 10 secs is imba

Hm...good concept.

1) Good skill. Blink with damage, but short range.

2) Imbalanced. This is a 360 HP nuke AND a 6 second slow? Being able to hold the creep for 25 seconds eliminates any real restrictions this would have to use in battle.

3&4) Good.

Overall, excellent synergy. I like how the skills set each other up. But, the 2nd skill is much too powerful, without any real restrictions.

hmmm....pretty good i'd say lol

Somersault: good skill and balanced

Regurgitate: The damage is reasonable but a 40% slow for six seconds with that is too good. To balance it, you could reduce the duration of the slow or change the effect

Firelord's Lust: Lower attack speed and it'l be fine (15%, 30%, 45%, 60%)

Ring of Fire: State how long the ring will last and lower the damage a bit, like 200,275,350.

8/10 from me

Alright, Bard Man is here. Ooo.. A new fire hero. Well let's see if he's up to snuff.

Somersault: Pretty nice skill. Damage to enemies, good for escaping/chasing, and it's just spammable to be good.

Regurgitate: Interesting skill. Instant kill against a creep and a quick nuke/slow. Perfect for early game harassment and late game killing. Plus, great Synergy with your third skill.

firelord's Lust: Again, this is very interesting, but Bard Man feels that much of a boost to (CONTINUTE)

Attack Speed and Damage from killing a single creep, even for just 5 seconds, is pretty overpowered. Bard Man suggests either reducing the Buff for this skill or increasing the cooldown. Possibly a full remake, but only if you feel you have to.

Ring of Fire: "Love, Is a burning thing... And it makes, a firey ring... Bound, by wild desires... I fell into a Ring of Fire..." Come on, you had to see that coming from somebody. Anyway, Ring of Fire seems like an inventive skill with good (CONTINUE)

set damage and a fair AoE, but you forgot to put in the duration. Bard Man could definitely see this being a very effectiveskill in DotA. Something to rival Puck's ult in terms of usefulness in an AoE.

Anyway, this is a good hero and Brd Man is proud that you didn't make the idiot's mistake of giving him a horrible stat gain to 'balance him out'. Bard Man hopes to see more of your work in the future.

Now we have Raijin and Mantasa what about an earthern panda that also taught Mangix

wow you complete panda family only earth missing...!!!

good job 9/10
sort of balanced for me though :D

pfff

nice hero
now all we need is a earth panda

seems kinda imbalance for 80 attack speed and 40 bonus damage although it lasts 5 seconds still it seems kinda imbalance

Somersault - this is freakishly similar to invokers meteor.

Regurgitate- The eating looks like Lucifer's devour, and the spitting looks like Ogre Magi's ignite you say it yourself, but it is an interesting combination.

Firelord's Lust- fair enough, i have seen similar skills but not here so i have no complaints.

Ring of Fire- in a way this skill makes me want Firelord's Lust to be stackable, not infinitely but maybe 2-3 times max.

recommendations will be in next post.(continue)

Somersault - rather than being immune, how about some heavily reduced damage.

Regurgitate - scale the edibility level, there is only 2 different level 1 creeps and they spawn in the same camp.
maybe 1/1/2/3 this gets most creeps while leaving the biggies.

Firelord's Lust - cut the speed gain (by half) and make it stack 1/2/3/4 times.
the duration wil need to be cut (maybe 3 seconds) but resets with each creep killed.

Ring of Fire - does this move with you? if it does, leave it as is(continue)

I agree with most posts here, lemme see:

Somersault: good skill, need movespeed though.

Regurgitate: good IDEA, but very unbalanced. Lower the values on what happens to the hit unit: like, ramp it up to the level two or so.

Firelord's Lust: also a good skill, possibly on the imba side but ok considering you can't do it without a handy target to burn.

Ring of Fire: very cool skill, again we only need the duration... I guess we also need to know how long it takes to spread out.

Continued...

...continued... curse the 500 character limit.

I think this is a good hero, very good synergy. My sole concern is that, logically, the third Panda would be Agility (as the two existing ones are Strength and Intelligence). But with these skills it seems like a caster. BUT Storm Panda is Int DPS, so if this was Agi Caster... it fits? Also this really doesn't have any tanking skills anyway.

Again, good hero, fix some bits add some bits. I am confident in giving a 10/10 now.

if it doesn't i would suggest cutting back the cooldown.

while not entirely original (like anything is) the combinations are interesting and with small tweaks (not mine unnecessarily)
could be a great hero.
anyway it is balanced enough to give it an 8-9 but anyway.

do as you wish.
drop by dream heroes and enter the bard challenge.

a good one! maybe you can also make the earth pandaren

some sills are balanced, some are overpowered

regurgitate
i oppose the self slow.

firelords lust
overpowered by some way, i would use ghost's suggestion. but i prefer toning aspd a bit and then gives perhaps a hp gain like strygwyr? suggestion though

thats all perhaps. i see some nice synergy there

this is one hell of a hero... good job... :0

im lookin forward to see the two more pandas in future dota map...

:.i like that there are more panda in the game,.
hahahahhahahahahahaha

Should he be an AGI hero.

Since Storm was INT and Earth would make no sense of being AGI.

yes good idea .it sholld be a new panda hero i think :)

yes good idea .it sholld be a new panda hero i think :)

yes good idea .it sholld be a new panda hero i think :)

Dude that was the worst change ever I mean come on, 650 max damage for a lvl 16 ulti is pathetic, Crystal Maiden's ulti does 310 dmg per explosion and Lich's ulti does 580 dmg PER BOUNCE, people might think the ulti is imba cuz you can buy a dagger and blink into a group of hereos and ulti them, but its not, cuz they'll likely attack you and not run away losing you a 325 dmg each and their armor will make sure that only almost 200 dmg reaches them from the remaining 325......

very nice damage reduction i say its perfect sence hes STR HERO should be agi cuz sum 1 mentioned that earth would make more sence at being str based.

very nice nerfs almost perfect lol good job

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Now about Firelord's Lust; if I understand the change correctly you gain (at lvl 4) 60% increased AS and + 40 dmg for 3 secs, then you have to wait 1 more sec before you activate it again, that was a good way to balance it but you made it boring to use, I don't think I like the idea of having to press a hotkey every 4 secs, I think you should make it a passive ability like Weaver's Geminate attack, where it is automatically active every 4 secs

I agree that this hero should be agi, especially with the increased AS of lust, makes more sense.

I also agree with The_Dark_Lord. You should not have changed your ulti. Here is what i think you should do:
Increase damage even more than it was, because it doesn't for sure get who you want to get since it's AoE (how fast does the ring grow?)

Then make it last longer (10 sec) and be able to hurt someone multiple times, not just one extra time. That way Storm panda could really help!

dark lord u didnt read close enough iguess, lust is when ever u kill acreep its not an active skill, duh

i like the hero, but ide like to see him agi. Panda STR Storm INT and FireLord AGI

Regurgitate deals a little too much damage per second... it's like Shadow Strike but with a constant slow and more damage. Lower the damage some and it's perfect Nice hero idea ;)

ok here are my justifications for the nerfs that i did on my hero.

I dont believe that regurgitate is imbalanced for the fact that you must be near a creep and also the cooldown. other similar nukes may not be as powerful but are much more spammable.

Firelords lust was a little too powerful and that nerf should be fine to have him be toned down.

also his ulti was powerful,but he does not need a masive nuke like cm or lich.
he is NOT a int caster so i am not focusing on huge spamming of damage

@ NovaProspekt, if it isn't active then it IS like Weaver's Geminate attack as I suggested

I believe this character sounds very good but a bit over powered. 60% attack speed for killing 1 enemy every 4 seconds. You would have that the entire game.

Finally another panda

the ulti now is a suck, sand king could do way better and even with a slow

the ulti now is a suck, sand king could do way better and even with a slow

stand back avoid a bitchfest.
i will own all who participate in the lousy past time of flaming.

pretty please buff firelords lust.
storm has 80% perm'd if he has enough regen and given the items he gets it is easy.
even if it can only be activated every 3 seconds, in the end you won't be chasing with it because you won't be killing things fast enough.

ulti is not super nerfed.
650 damage ultimate is actually quite a bit.
AoE with similar damage to sonic wave and we know that is imba ^_^

well its a nice hero nice idea but when the third panda comes out what type will he be?? agi because the other panda split raijin is int and this one str idea but dont make sense because the third split is earth element. It would be better to make this one agi an then the earth one str but anyway nice guide and hero :)

well heres an idea for the lust

instead of having it activate every creep or unit kill, take the attack speed down, and have it add primary atribute instead of damage(this works for both agi and str which ever u want to make him) and have it work like storms AS increase skill

and by take the attack speed down i mean ramp it down, dont take it away completely like

level 1 - 15% increased attack speed +10 str or agi
level 2 - 20% increased attack speed +15 str or agi
level 3 - 25% increased attack speed +20 str or agi
level 4 - 30% increased attack speed +35 str or agi

or something of that variation

whoops that last str add is +25 sorry lol typo

@ghost
sonic wave has 75 sec cd, does not need to be triggered(bonus damage) and is capable of killing a target with distance 0f 800

W00t! PANDAMONIUM! love the idea but i agree with NovaProspekt on how cool it would be too make him agi. because then there could also be the earth pands who is str and you would have one pnada for each attribute.

Love all the skills too, ulti may seem imba but it has a very large mana cost for a non-int hero. Regurgitate is a bit too powerful though...six seconds is a long time maybe 3-4 seconds

It's very cool,,think of of mangix mantasa and raijin on a 3 on 3 battle,,it's very cool....So many pandas..THEY ROCK!!

@ Ghost; you can't compare Firelord's lust to Storm Spirit's Electric rave because Electric rave doesn't add damage

im gunna say this b4 sum 1 makes them selves look dumb, if u look at my suggjestion, its just an idea dont take the stat gain seriously ok? cuz dros ult isnt even that high

Firelord's Lust: Alright, I agree with Ghost, lust should be brought up because you won't be chasing with it. Ursa can activate his increased AS and damage whenever he wants but Firelord requires a creep nearby (maybe helm of dominator is a good item for him?) so having 80% increase is fine! Sure, he'll kill creeps easily when he's farming, but it's not very useful for chasing heroes.

Ring of Fire : As for the ultimate, I suggested to increase the damage just for the scare factor. If you look at Puck's ult, you either have to decide to run away or stay put and stand your ground. There are risks to both, either you run and get 250 dmg and get stunned or you stay and risk getting attacked until you die. If the damage is 325, they won't think twice and they'll just run. If the damage is higher, they'll panic because they won't know what to do!

but that is the thing, pucks int base and this guy isnt, of course int based heroes will do more nuke damage, cuz they have lower hp than most heroes

str and agi do lower nuke damage because agi attacks much faster and do more normal damage and str heroes have more hp and do more normal damage

this would be a hero i'd like to play

lust seems a bit overpowered imo..seems kinda easy to farm with him

I agree with cowlickman, the damage should be returned to its previous value or higher. Either that or buff it some other way, like lowering the cooldown to... 45 or something.

heres an idea 4 ya

instead of exiting damage, just have it do damage to anything the ring touches like 400 damage or so, and then have it do like 70 dps for all things inside the ring, get bots and chase people around dealing 90 dps or farm the hell out of stuff, then u could lower the duration and cool down.

ment to say 70-100 dps in that range then i picked 90 for the example

ok i have thought more about his ulti and have looked at your ideas and i decided to change it to have low intitial damage, damage per second in the ring, and then large leaving damage. it should be up shortly

very nice idea. i like it its a mix of everything

very nice on the ultimate remake.
they still stand to gain more by running away.
which is what all ultimates tend to do anyway. (puck is the exception)

lets see

stay in suffer 240 damage and get raped by a team

run and take 450 damage but might live long

seems okay

.|cff000000ak02 feel the wrath.

Ult is better now, I agree.

I like the reworks, but still think Regurgitate is much too powerful. There are creeps EVERYWHERE within a 25 second walking distance. The fact that you can deal 360 damage and 6 seconds of slow within a half a minute of devouring a creep is not really a limitation to an imbalanced skill. Not to mention that by spitting the creep, you activate Firelord's lust. The enemy is 40% slower, you are 60% faster...imba.

As it stands, that is my only concern, so I'll rate an 8/10 if I do rate this.

.|cff000000ak02 banned for verbal insults using vulgar words.

I love his skills man!
it is nice wow!

Excellent idea man, kudos. Great synergie and cool, fun skills. I wont to vomit creeps .I would really love to see this guy, Mangix and Thunderkeg beating the hell out of the other team .

nice hero man....hope icefrog will take a look at him and maybe introduce him in the next version :) needs a little work although at the skills...

love it! (i just like pandas they rule on dota!! ) FOR PANDARIAAAA

Very good and original ideas but I believe the fire panda should be AGI. Look at Mangix's ulti. The earth panda is the tank/STR, storm is the caster/INT and fire has no skills but increased damage for DPS/AGI.

firelust is still not very usefull when it comes to heroes, should make it activate like electric rave and do like 60% attack speed with 30 damage level 4

I really like this hero and his skills, but I think regurgitate is a little overpowered with slow. Other than that very good. 9/10

the reason that i did not make him an agi type is because he has no agi skills and also is a much better early gamer than late. His success in the early and mid game is what sets up a strong late game. and also his only true dps skill is firelords lust. imade him strength and he is gonna stay that way

well spoken. if they wanted a agilti fire panda they should have maked 1 earlier good job

cool hero very nice

Great idea, love it. Sentinal definately need more cool looking heroes and higher dmg heroes.

hmm...instead of evasion, he should have immolation...it would make more sense since he is "fire lord"


jus a suggestion...

screw it, if we want a agi panda ill make a wind panda...ill work on it in a few days


and what do you mean by agi skills? theres lots of heroes who are agi and dont have skills based on theyre agillity

I hope more panda heroes will be added by icefrog, and this hero can be his reference. 10/10

This is awesome!

I think his first skill is a little underpowered. I think you'd be alright adding some extra damage, or adding some burn DPS. It's a good chase skill.

Good hero idea. Now you need to make an Earth element panda to finish the trio .

*ObZ

Perfect. i want to use this hero!!!!!

can u make the earth type panda like there brothers...u know i dont like the 3rd skill its like owning rigwarl's warpath and make this hero unstoppable but still cool great job

8/10

A good hero idea i like it

im glad there's another panda on board but really firelords lust is really strong its like owning rigwarls warpath im just saying but cool hero good job

Love it!! icefrog should see this

If Icefrog took this idea and turned it into a hero, it will become immensely popular like the Faerie Dragon.

I liked it very much although there are some balance issues that still need to be addressed. FYI I voted for this idea to be listed.

lothars to use ult. radiance is for whores.
armlet of mordigan is a useless item imo

armlet is good

WOW this hero is the man

BUT what will happen if u like blink or blink strike out of the ring of fire??

Exelent hero...nice post

should definently be the 91 hero it would be so fun playin him

should definently be the 91 hero it would be so fun playin him

i appreciate all the support i have gotten for my hero and i hope too we will be able to play him if icefrog checks it out

kinda good but i think mentioning PotM is not necessary regurgigate is kinda imba 4 me but this can be goood with some more changes

oh my! simply one of the best hero ideas around! damn you make me so tempted to try this hero immediately, i hope we will see it in the coming Dota maps!! =)

its very COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

especially when they accept dis hero and make a earth panda!!!

it'll be cool to see all of them at once in a 3-3 match!!!!!!

just need a bit of fixing and it'll do!!!!
10/10
better yet
11/10

i l;ike your hero idea.... it nice

I like this HERO, I will wait for this hero to come

dude sorry i hated it.......shud hav been a range hero and primary attribute shud ahv been intell. nice try beta luck next time

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very nice bro.... nice hero idea.. skills are great too. but the firelords lust is a little bit imba... try lowering the buff.. nice guide 9.9/10, hahahaha:)):D:D:D

very nice bro.... nice hero idea.. skills are great too. but the firelords lust is a little bit imba... try lowering the buff.. nice guide 9.9/10, hahahaha:)):D:D:D

very nice one
original skills to, especially like regurgitate alltho lust looks a bit like rexxars skill it still isnt completely the same
jus 1 question how long does it take for the firering to completely expand?
i give it a 10

Sexy

wow
pro hero le

i hope got this new hero

i wonder got change to use or not....

this hero is da bomb

put dis falla in da game nd see da damage dis motherfucker does...nice one...like dis hero..

dint know that u need to upgrade lust at the last i usually take it after lv 6 any way good guide

his level 6 actually goes well with raijin's level 6!!! when the enemy's low on health, you grapple him outside and the damage from the ring kills him!!! if ever he doesn't die from that, all nearby heroes are brought with him so there's no problem...

This hero idea is great but i think the hero is a little bit too strong, he has no weakness!!

nice,nice hero 5/5for me. anyway i want to do a hero idea but... i dont now where to get origynal wc3 icons, can someone tellme where to get them

3. skill is very interesting

you should take lust first to sped up your farming

Great idea.. Just one more elemental panda and The Panda Family
will be completed

very interesting new hero idea.

very interesting new hero idea.

Love the hero, what version is it going to be in??

battle fury will go nicely with skill 3

i like it xD

Good Work~
I like it and i think its a good hero idea

good hero. really good ideas.
but fire pandaren looks like an agi hero type. (earth : str, storm : int)

i like it but i think beacause he is so great the ulti makes him too imba.
i think it should deal less damage
other than that 10/10!

1 single word. WOAH.
love it. just about balanced, and a huge damager and chaser. the perfect combo. i just thought that Mantasa would be better as an agi hero rather than a str. because of his damaging spells, with a high str build, he would be a huge damager who would be hard to kill, which i would say is great, but it may be considered just a little too powerful in some cases. however, i can see why you made him str. panda is as well, and youve based your story on him. good job.
10/10

GOOD JOB!!!

This is the best! I've always liked the elemental pandas. I like the ulti although I feel it's kinda imba

This hero MUST be in the later versions of DOTA, 6.54 perhaps?

Ummmm This Idea is rly GooD.
GooDluck m8

bloodseeker: Storm! earth! Fire! hear my call!! [and 3 cute little panda came running] lol...

Storm should be agi,
Fire should be int,
Earth should be str.

don't you think so? imo...
they should alter Storm into agi next.

[bloodseeker goes into bolywood scene where he is being chased by 3 cute little panda]

This rly looks good, but a total of 700 dmg+ on ulti seems.. well, imba. Like a buffed Dream coil. VERY buffed

NICE HERO IDEA

Ok, I'm going to be rather critical, so I hope you don't take offense. Here we go:

Morphling dissolves into his components and surges forward, dealing damage to everything in his wake.
Level 1 - 100 damage.
Level 2 - 175 damage.
Level 3 - 250 damage.
Level 4 - 325 damage.

Do you see the similarity?
Skill 2: It's devour + Shadow Strike. Nothing praticularly special. Doesn't really draw my eye. It's also OP. 360 dmg/slow + a free creep kill?
Skill 3: A good skill. Stupid 500 char. limit.. grrr

still not original...we already have a fiery hero(lina inverse)..but skill is good...

waa? we still don't have a version that contains this hero >.

i think that his 3rd skill might be a bit too strong. lets say he kills 5 creeps, only 5 in quick succession. he'll get 200 bonus damage. only 5. what about 10?

i think that his 3rd skill might be a bit too strong. lets say he kills 5 creeps, only 5 in quick succession. he'll get 200 bonus damage. only 5. what about 10?

does anyone here play at garena if you do play pm me brethenri lets see if youre greAT playing DOTA