Strybor - The Pickpocket

Very unique and would be fun to play with. Let me evaluate this

1st skill- I think it's balanced due to its small AoE

2nd skill- again, balanced and effective for synergy

3rd skill- an average dodge, nothing wrong with it. Could be more unique but I don't know how you'd pull that off so w/e

4th skill- Even if you had 100 more agi, you'd only steal 1400 gold (lvl 3)so I think it's balanced enough. Over time it would stack up but that's why you wouldn't carry a lot of gold! :)

8/10

ultra imba

Cool and interensting fellow this one...
All skills balanced and original (except Nimbleness). Should really be a fun hero to play although:

You are very item dependant and if you dont get items you cant kill or use steal efficient enough and then you are basically screwed

On the other hand, if you farm good you will kill enemies and ofc steal from them (Mohaha) and gradually become better and better and hopefully win the game for you and you team

Overall 9/10

Eh whats the point of this hero, harrass? no hero killing or pushing ability

It makes him a sort of a farmer
Very creative
I give this a 8/10
Gee another invisible hero. I think we have enough of that heroes now.

useless hero.
nuff said

no support skills
carefully balanced so as not to reveal useful invisible units within a tiny AoE

a skill that screams "leave me alone"

and two that say "I want your gold."

the only synergies revolves around stealing gold so you can stack eaglehorns and steal more gold...

big whoop?

you fail at being epic

Actually the idea is good to outfarm ure opponents but hes also a little egocentric it would be better if u chane one farming skill into a disable to make him a supporter

I have to agree with Ghost, sorry. Stealing gold... just, well, sigh.

looks to me like a hero that's strength is accumulating gold, but he has no farming skill??

don't know how this guy could win early battles

also the ulti seems weak

when you kill someone they loose gold, you gain about 250 gold and some xp

sounds better than just stealing....

his skills synergise well and there not imba but in the end this aint a dota hero. stealing is all hes got...

dude he has 0 disable spells, 0 damage spells, and 0 stuns. also his passive dosnt add damage either.. my idea change nimbleness to an orb passive and make the hero melee. each attack he steals small amount of gold maby like 5/10/15/20. Pockect Change would be a good name. But with hide//ulti and 100 more agility thats 2800 gold... heres a counter to this hero.. BY A CROW AND SPEND GOLD

not too good i say but original i guess, this game has no room for a thief, making him highly item dependent no damaging skills and if your hiding and ur agi was 100 more you could steal 1400 but you could also have hide making him steal 2800, this hero is too imba if u ask me, you could ruin a game with this hero. expecialy cuz u know how much gold every 1 has so you can target daddy worbucks. yeah and storie is wierd. cuz dota world doesnt have disco records...

The only thing he is good for is a little bit farming but in late game he is really useless. Noneless its a creative hero

WHAT THE FU*K?

okay lets see

1st skill - underpowered. increase duration to 8 sec or 6

2nd skill - oh my god its like he's farming for you!! IMBAAA

3rd - underpowered. mortred has way better and it even makes her transparent

4 skill - wow! you can easily get gold by 2nd skill, and get eagle/mjolnir/butter, and now you steal something equal to 14x difference of yours and his agi? WTF. lets see, if you aim this on tiny or dirge, its GG for him, for such even your base agi (continue

difference would be about 60 so its like you steal somewhat 840 golds from his hard work every 2 minutes. get your self lothars/invi runes and sneak up on bone with 4k gold and you just GG him

this hero is wayyy overpowered. you can keep your enemies with only bracer when youre already 3 HoT's

well he didnt mention at all you need to kill to get golds. but yes he has no disable, but when youre already mad rich, who cares?

To everyone who said his ultimate is weak, well here it goes
Its weak, but this character does not have a purpose for killing. Remember that each hero has unique powers...

and this hero has unique powers that scream "ROFLS I AM MORE USELESS THAN TECHIES THAT DOESN'T MINE, WATCH ME STEAL SOME GOLD"

the tribe has spoken...

you just copy the hero Arcus-the Temporal. Well, some of his skills are quiet balanced.

This hero could be a support one. If he saw the enemy gold, his teammates will totally kill that hero for sure and doesn't giving a chance to farm.

Interesting hero, but he wouldn't have much survivability against smart players. Still, this is very inventive and Bard Man commends you for trying to bring something new to DotA.

Really don't see what good he is in a team other than keeping other heroes low on money and buying items for your allies...

i would add into the framework of the ultimate that you can only target heroes, as it is because creeps have no agility you still all of the sentinels gold, buy 6 divines, give them to void level 6

and scream ROFL

Buff him a bit! What can he do in a teambattle? Nothing. What can he do against Azwraith? He can't steal from him cuz he doesn't know which one is which, and if he tries a illusion- his ulti gets blow up. He is only good against techies- let true sight see their mines, wait for ur allies to die, then steal all the gold cuz techies have -500 agi(muahahah). He has no disable, no slow, he isn't good mid, late or early game, items can't just do everything for him! Chicken screws him though

Ghost - you are a bastard. No need to abuse the person who created the hero. Use constructive criticism but dont flame him. Go get a life.

@javsav
I think you don't know who you are talking to.
you can apologise now if you want.

To Continue...
If you read carefully, something I'm sure you can do, as much effort as it may require and painful as it may be,
you will notice that, as always, I am right.

Saying "you fail at being epic"
is not flaming, as i am sure you fail at being epic and even I may fail at being epic (rarely) however by calling me a bastard, you entered the ranks of the flamers and thus have earned this lecture.

To continue I have said that while he is unique (to DotA) I have also said he is useless and revolves around a skill that can only be used once every 120 seconds, the rest of the time is spent running around being a coward or standing still waiting for the ultimate to be ready for use. all the while the Anti Invisibility skill has a range just big enough to get you caught inside the blast range of the mines that are not revealed by Keen Sight.
Do I continue?
Yes.

Constructive Criticism is a term you are not overly aware of the meaning of.

Definition: criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions

It does not need to be in anyway "nice", in fact you could go as far as to say that, "nice" just makes people feel patronised, constructive criticism is only designed to help, through any means.

For some more "Constructive Criticism" leave this forum.
makes life easier.

Logic
Owns
You.

notice :: this guy hasnt responded yet.

but the hero still fails.

instead of raging why dont you express your dislike of the hero by simply voting 1, and getting your friends to vote 1, and making extra accounts so you can vote 1.

all i ask is WHO THE **** put this into the hero ideas section? what have people stopped submitting heros here and go straight for dream heros forum?

and concerning constructive criticism; its meant to be brutally helpful. i mean would you listen to someone who kept droning on and on about what to do? or who grabbed you by the arm, twisted, and shouted instructions in your ear?

and concerning constructive criticism; its meant to be brutally helpful. i mean would you listen to someone who kept droning on and on about what to do? or who grabbed you by the arm, twisted, and shouted instructions in your ear?

Hi everyone.
Thank you very much for your input on Strybor so far (wheter its flaming or constructive criticism ), i really appreciate it. I will be looking into some of your ideas and hopefully improve some aspects of this hero.
Thanks again.

@ Ghost : you are my idol (when it comes to this site)

@ creator : I'm sorry but the whole premise on which you based your hero makes him unable to change for the better. Like you said, thieves are meant to steal, not kill. That goes against the rules of dota. You want to KILL your enemies as quickly as possible.

I know he's supposed to be a support hero but Chen and Dazzle can both (quite efficiently) dispose of someone without the use of items (until late game I suppose)

Sorry

@WarWrecker

This hero has been chosen after a very long discussion and consideration, so don't go shouting "who the f***" here please.

@Ghost

Surely he doesn't know who he's talking to... lol

@creator

Good, original and creative. I have some comments on it though.

The first skill seems VERY weak, considering a high manacost for AGI hero, the range, and time of effect. Maybe you should buff it up a bit.

Second&third skill, good, no comment.

(to be continued)

Ultimate skill seems imba, but considering how weak this hero is, i think it won't be a big problem. You need to explain this skill's synergy with other skills.

Other things that are missing in your Hero Idea is Synergy, Item Build, and good Tactics

@cowlickman
its because I care

@mpupovac
for making an appearance, i can finally remake your hero.

1st skill) buff it, range by about 300 and duration by 6-8 seconds.

2nd skill) kill it, needs a remake.
if you are going to steal, why don't you steal an items abilities from target player?
duration 10 seconds. mana cost, reasonable, cooldown 10 seconds.

3rd skill) buff, if you aren't going to give it high stats, whenever a runt misses you gain 1/2/3/4 gold.

Continue

naturally add that this is non butterfly stacking.

ultimate) leave it as it is i guess.
i see no real problem if the hero isn't 100% orientated around it.

k for those who say constructive criticism...shut the blank up

to give good criticism you must be a critic no?

Constructive criticism is a compassionate attitude towards the person qualified for criticism. Having higher experience, gifts, respect, knowledge in specific field and being able to verbally convince at the same time, this person is intending to uplift the other person materially, morally, emotionally or spiritually

u must know what ur talking about

sorry off topic

the thing is NOT ALL CRITICISM IS CONSTRUCTIVE and your gunna have to get over it

maybe a better idea could be a skill like mug, like if the skill kills a hero u take extra gold from them that way he actually has an attack skill

whoa.. is this REAL? did you make this up all by yourself?
if so.. DAMN YOU GOT madddd ass talent and should submit this to IceFrog for the next hero.
if not. then is this RoC dotA?

@javsav
I think you don't know who you are talking to.
you can apologise now if you want.

@Ghost
I think I don't give a shit who I'm talking to. I don't give a shit if you are a site op who can ban me from the site, because I dont let authority prevent me from expressing my opinion. Your logic is terrible. The criticism doesnt have to be nice, you are right, but it has to be constructive. Insulting someone and telling them they suck is in no way constructive, as it will not help them

improve their hero in any way. Rather, it will more likely make them feel bad about ever posting on the site and cease creating heroes all together. If advice were given on the other hand, the individual may actually be able to produce a useful hero.

And no I will not apologise to you, you arrogant douche.

Oh yeah, by the way ghost, your ethereal hero SUCKED ASS, in fact, that was the definition of failing to be epic. A hero with no attack move? Why not remove the spell ability aswell. At the same time remove the hp and the mana. Then it really would be epic.

How's that for a taste of your own medicine. Very constructive I thought. Awaiting ban and deletion of these messages.

Furthermore, I never disagreed with the useful things that you posted. In fact I agree with what you have said about this hero. However, I have a big problem with posts like these:

"and this hero has unique powers that scream "ROFLS I AM MORE USELESS THAN TECHIES THAT DOESN'T MINE, WATCH ME STEAL SOME GOLD"

the tribe has spoken...
"

@javsav
you bore me, sorry for pointing out the obvious but not only do you fail at being epic you fail at life.
anyways im going have some mods remove your posts.
or maybe they can stay there, everyone else like the way i owned you.

and my logic sucks, yours must well, leave that to your imagination i will say it is a negative and leave it that.

i don't plan on getting banned any time soon?

feeling vindictive go trash all my heroes
both here and in dream heroes forum.

owned by logic.
again.

damn if stuff like this keep happening drew is just gunna stop having hero ideas, stop with the offtopic flaming bullshiz, havent we all learned from me? guess not, but i like the hero idea section and i dont want it taken out so behave your selves

I agree with Nova, you guys need to stop flaming...

Anyway this hero has the potential to be good, just needs some skills that can do damage.

After reading carefully all of your comments, seems like most of you agree on the fact that Keen Sight is underpowered. I was thinking about improving AoE to fixed 500, lower the mana cost to 45/50/55/60 and increase duration to 5/6/7/8.I would also like to increase cooldown to prevent it from being spammable, for example to 40. What say you?

To all of you that think that there is no place for a thief in dota, i just realized that this hero is very much the same as one other hero that already ->is

To all of you that think that there is no place for a thief in dota, i just realized that this hero is very much the same as one other hero that already is in dota (thus making me unoriginal, but anyways...)! Let me compare Strybor and Rooftrellen:
(to be continued)

Nature's Guise vs Hide:
Practically the same skill, a little different mechanics - helps with survivability.

Eyes in the Forest vs Keen Sight:
Again practically the same skill with slightly different mechanics, a disable for invisible heroes/illusionists.

Living Armor vs Nimbleness:
One gives armor and regeneration, the other gives dodge - both to improve survivability.

And now we come to ultimates which are completely different, but if Owergrowth is a AoE disable, think of Steal as a disable which works in a bit different manner, but, uh, well, i hope you see my point.

Also, i don't see why some of you insist on him having damaging skills. First of all, he's not completely harmless, since he has a ranged attack. He still can kill and push, but his primary role would be to farm and disable! Although i agree that dota mostly revolves around killing enemy heroes, i did see (although rarely) games in which teams with less kills actually won.

then again roofy has high hp and str as well as an ulti which is really helpful for team kills besides i dont no why everyones getting so worked up its not like all of these heros will actually make it to the game

@mpupovac
do not make the cooldown so big, 20 at most.

the thing is this hero IS useless in dota, either it will be too weak or too strong, theres no way to nerf for the better. this hero can steal about 2800 gold at level 16 with 100 agi higher. now thats way to overpowered

that sets the other hero too far back, i mean dying does make you lose that much.

this hero idea would be good for a game like enmity campaign or hosk...but dota is sapposed to be balanced and fair, having a gold stealer is unfair

I was refering to myself getting banned...

after re-evaluating yes i go with Ghost. techies who doesnt plant mines owns all noobies

mm yes suicide ftw.

reminds me of someones techies guide ^_^
but that mines a bit. and after farming some cheapass items it mines allot.

I like the dude but this is what I noticed:

1st skill: I like it but the time is too short. Maybe you should have 3-4 seconds at lvl.4

2nd skill: It is literally useless without your ulti. Maybe you should make this your ulti or make it like Wind Walk

3rd skill: No problems really but put something else aside from evasion(invisibility, back flip)

Ulti: I like it but for an ulti, it will not be useful for killing/pushing with the removal of the gold effect

Overall: 8/10 good strat

sorry for the double post but I have to correct myself: It was not a good strat, but a good hero idea and that maybe IceFrog should see this.

And no matter how much I agree with Ghost, I gave the guy an 8 because he actually introduced to us the real concept of DotA. It is not hero killing. It is not just push-farm-kill. It is to use your mind in making your creeps push to the Ancient you are attacking while defending your own. I think that we have gone way too far in thinking that DotA is all about kills that we fail to look at what this game is about. And BTW, no matter how alike Roof and Strybor are, Roof is for pushing and killing

unfortunately this hero doesn't do the pushing of the throne very well either.

it does to some extent allow for you to prevent their pushing by limiting the amount of gold it is safe to carry around.

I have here a bottle of 'javsav-be-gone'... you can all guess what I mean by this.
The hero has not improved in any way as yet... imagination good, wrong side of dota bad.

People! What part of PLAY NICE do you not understand?

javsav is now banned, and ghost has been given a warning.

I think u should make his ultimate an AOE skill- like 'Strybor jumps on all of enemy heroes in 600 AOE and steals 30% of gold off every hero.Also confuses them with their pockets loose, so they lose balance and get dizzy with 40% movement and attack speeds reduction for 6/7/8 seconds'- That's how the ulti will be worth it. Also, CD should be 100/85/70

Oh, and if he steals from Hide- It's a bonus, and animation should be a black omnislash(but if Strybor is hidden, no animation should be shwon to the enemies unless they have gem or wards)

bwahahahahahaaa, your idea amuses me, lets see... hmmm criticing... okies, 1st skill, um well if u were going up against techies with mines everywhere uhhh, ya ur gonna definately need bigger AoE^^ 2nd skill, stealing gold is this hero's good point so steal and run haha, 3rd well... ok i guess, and ult is kinda odd, but well if u steal hero's money and buy items for ur crew,(like u should!) ur team will loooooooooooove u^^, it is an ok hero idea, great job 9/10

Hmm this guy needs pure agility! Butterfly and lots of it! then throw in a basher XD
4 bFlyes BoT Basher and he just might piss the other team off

i have 2 warning for fending off people who flame me?

yes agility stacking is the way to go.

I just have to say... great job dude...
The only problem would be, to actually be able to kill something with this guy, as the only thing he can actually do right is get massive amounts of money...
But, if you're good enough, I believe it would be really crippling to the other team...
Oh and, btw, D&D?

like everyone says, this hero is not so good b/c of not having damage/disabling spells. The only way that you could effectively kill people would be to get lucky or farm up a crow with about 6 dagons all fully upgraded. Anyways, The keen eyes might seem cheap at first but yes, it's balanced because of the area and limited time to truesight. But as for telling you the money... I dunno what to say about that.
(CONTINUE)

Anyways, the hide might be a bit imba. The reason is because of all that extra extra gold you'd get. Maybe it's also because you can hide anytime by standing still. Also, I should point out you might not want to make it useless like Meepo's poof until you get the ulti. Nimbleness is an okay skill. Not too imba, not too weak. Then there's your ulti. Sorry to say, the ult would only steal 1400 gold at max level, just like dohyun99 says.
(CONTINUE)

Also, to strengthen it, why not try to give the ult some damage and hide some extra damage or something to give this guy killing potential. Next time you update this guy, try to show us some item synergies or something so we know better how this hero is designed. Good job and keep up the work
8/10

cool idea, a thief in DotA would be pretty neat. I especially like the first skill. With so many heroes getting invis these days, we need a hero with limited true sight. And I think one way to balance out Hide with Nimbleness would be to increase your damage taken for a few seconds after you un-stealth. That way, this hero would be more reliant on the dodging AND hiding than just hiding.

lol this is kinda silly

if your enemies purchase a courier = can counter you haha

what's next? item thief?

omfg don't steal my bfly plz

Ulti is too imba..

why?

uuigiug

^ a beautiful comment. it really says everything.

Nice, nice...but um...where are the items

umm agility treads, eye of skadi, mjol, butterfly, butterfly, butterfly.

attack fast with lots of damage steal insane amounts of gold, farm like a tard, support your team with static and chase down enemy heroes ftw.

and i thought that build was obvious.

come on mpupovac a changelog please

A changelog?
What did you have in mind? ;)

I mean, i will update the keen sight for sure, but i'm not that good with item builds. I gues all agility items would suit him well.

I mean, i will update the keen sight for sure, but i'm not that good with item builds. I gues all agility items would suit him well.

i think a remake on hide and a buff to nimbleness.

post 37 for my ideas if you want them.

kinda coll but remove nimbleness... its just like voids dodge cheap imitation but weaker

You can actually steal gold from enemies?


wooow...to IMBA!!!!!!!BOOO!!!!

hey! i don't understand this hero??!! this hero is very confusing!

kind of a weird hero actually quite a useless one
he has no offensive ability
only way i can think of playing him is stealing money and pooling ur teammates otherwise rather useless

what happens if you steal from an image..?

Nothing! I guess.

Waste of an ulti.

unique hero 10/10

by the way can u tell me where u got the pics.

i hve a hero idea but im not able to find any pics.

how bout makin the steal, passive?

@ Ghost i dont think calling the hero "useless" is constructive criticism. this type of criticism can make a guy stop makin hero ideas forever

@Creative_PH
i would suggest not arguing with me.
last person got banned as as far as i can tell i have 8 warnings left.

face it in a team situation, he is useless.
as a hunter if fed he has some merit.

I see Satyrs all around the map as creeps, don't need him for a hero.

The whole thought of stealing gold is rediculous to me - killing an enemy hero is good enough for gold +/-.

He'd be a productive counter vs other stealth units, but nothing else. I'd be a 4v5 greedy match.

4/10 for the whole thought, but regardless this game is about heroes, not thieves.

I think nimbleness must be buffed, since it only gives evasion and nothing more. Mortred gets 28% dodge AND becomes hard to see. so the best thing to do is just buying Butterfly and dont skill nimbleness at all...

i suggest that tou change the ultimate skill to something that's kinda "useful"...
no offence...

the skill, since its a theif, have something to do with a backstab or anything similar...

but the other skills are nice...

my rate...
7/10

try to steal from drow ranger

i love it...lol...but 4 the thrid skill...to make it better...make it like every time it dodges it gets like 10-15 gold...idk...just a though :D

awsome hero.could be very over powered

WOW!!

OMG ,my money is stolen.

hehe!!

well, ill say its a nice hero whos balanced. i noticed that his ulti is "kinda" like bounty hunter's. if he kills someone with track on, he gets bonus gold as well. if i had to pick out of the two of them, im afraid id take bounty. this is good though, as it means he isntnt overpowered, he doesnt help team battles by a HUGE amount, and if anything, he depends on what hes got in his inventory more than any of his skills. i like.

@mpupovac
There is a map where they have two heros like this where you can get ideas from.The map is called Smota and the heros are called the bandit andd the merchant

blegh i think i would hate him if he waas against me, Finally i got enough money for Sacred Relic, steal

but Nice done

Gold steal? NICE!
There's always a carry farming the woods all 59 minutes in a 60 minute game!
Anti-carry since they rely on gold!

haha mad idea, ninja gold. i'd be so cut saving for relic, then my moneys gone :(. would be fun to play, but maybe a disable skill somewhere there...

nice idea and good abilities

love the icon for nimbleness

this would make dota a lot more interesting

what would happen to chickens? can you steal from them?

9/10

I think the Shortcuts are too far away from one another si it will be hard to play with this hero. I think stealing money skills in DoTA are illegal. Wakakak!