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1 By dohyun99 2008-02-29 Very unique and would be fun to play with. Let me evaluate this
2 By bandai 2008-02-29 ultra imba 3 By BananRadar 2008-02-29 Cool and interensting fellow this one...
4 By Butt Man 2008-02-29 Eh whats the point of this hero, harrass? no hero killing or pushing ability 5 By Greater Bash 2008-02-29 It makes him a sort of a farmer 6 By Ghost 2008-02-29 useless hero.
7 By Greater Bash 2008-02-29 Actually the idea is good to outfarm ure opponents but hes also a little egocentric 8 By Shimrra_3 2008-02-29 I have to agree with Ghost, sorry. Stealing gold... just, well, sigh. 9 By FireBoyz 2008-02-29 looks to me like a hero that's strength is accumulating gold, but he has no farming skill??
10 By FireBoyz 2008-02-29 also the ulti seems weak
11 By Brewser 2008-02-29 his skills synergise well and there not imba but in the end this aint a dota hero. stealing is all hes got... 12 By TheWrathofGod 2008-02-29 dude he has 0 disable spells, 0 damage spells, and 0 stuns. also his passive dosnt add damage either.. my idea change nimbleness to an orb passive and make the hero melee. each attack he steals small amount of gold maby like 5/10/15/20. Pockect Change would be a good name. But with hide//ulti and 100 more agility thats 2800 gold... heres a counter to this hero.. BY A CROW AND SPEND GOLD 13 By NovaProspekt 2008-03-01 not too good i say but original i guess, this game has no room for a thief, making him highly item dependent no damaging skills and if your hiding and ur agi was 100 more you could steal 1400 but you could also have hide making him steal 2800, this hero is too imba if u ask me, you could ruin a game with this hero. expecialy cuz u know how much gold every 1 has so you can target daddy worbucks. yeah and storie is wierd. cuz dota world doesnt have disco records... 14 By Greater Bash 2008-03-01 The only thing he is good for is a little bit farming but in late game he is really useless. Noneless its a creative hero 15 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-01 WHAT THE FU*K?
16 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-01 difference would be about 60 so its like you steal somewhat 840 golds from his hard work every 2 minutes. get your self lothars/invi runes and sneak up on bone with 4k gold and you just GG him
17 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-01 well he didnt mention at all you need to kill to get golds. but yes he has no disable, but when youre already mad rich, who cares? 18 By DotaMorph 2008-03-01 To everyone who said his ultimate is weak, well here it goes
19 By Ghost 2008-03-01 and this hero has unique powers that scream "ROFLS I AM MORE USELESS THAN TECHIES THAT DOESN'T MINE, WATCH ME STEAL SOME GOLD"
20 By RaikaLuvsMe1 2008-03-01 you just copy the hero Arcus-the Temporal. Well, some of his skills are quiet balanced. 21 By RaikaLuvsMe1 2008-03-01 This hero could be a support one. If he saw the enemy gold, his teammates will totally kill that hero for sure and doesn't giving a chance to farm. 22 By Bard Man 2008-03-01 Interesting hero, but he wouldn't have much survivability against smart players. Still, this is very inventive and Bard Man commends you for trying to bring something new to DotA. 23 By Tokemus 2008-03-01 Really don't see what good he is in a team other than keeping other heroes low on money and buying items for your allies... 24 By Ghost 2008-03-02 i would add into the framework of the ultimate that you can only target heroes, as it is because creeps have no agility you still all of the sentinels gold, buy 6 divines, give them to void level 6
25 By extasy 2008-03-02 Buff him a bit! What can he do in a teambattle? Nothing. What can he do against Azwraith? He can't steal from him cuz he doesn't know which one is which, and if he tries a illusion- his ulti gets blow up. He is only good against techies- let true sight see their mines, wait for ur allies to die, then steal all the gold cuz techies have -500 agi(muahahah). He has no disable, no slow, he isn't good mid, late or early game, items can't just do everything for him! Chicken screws him though 26 By javsav 2008-03-03 Ghost - you are a bastard. No need to abuse the person who created the hero. Use constructive criticism but dont flame him. Go get a life. 27 By Ghost 2008-03-03 @javsav
28 By Ghost 2008-03-03 To continue I have said that while he is unique (to DotA) I have also said he is useless and revolves around a skill that can only be used once every 120 seconds, the rest of the time is spent running around being a coward or standing still waiting for the ultimate to be ready for use. all the while the Anti Invisibility skill has a range just big enough to get you caught inside the blast range of the mines that are not revealed by Keen Sight.
29 By Ghost 2008-03-03 Constructive Criticism is a term you are not overly aware of the meaning of.
30 By War_Wrecker 2008-03-03 notice :: this guy hasnt responded yet.
31 By War_Wrecker 2008-03-03 and concerning constructive criticism; its meant to be brutally helpful. i mean would you listen to someone who kept droning on and on about what to do? or who grabbed you by the arm, twisted, and shouted instructions in your ear? 32 By War_Wrecker 2008-03-03 and concerning constructive criticism; its meant to be brutally helpful. i mean would you listen to someone who kept droning on and on about what to do? or who grabbed you by the arm, twisted, and shouted instructions in your ear? 33 By mpupovac 2008-03-03 Hi everyone.
34 By cowlickman 2008-03-03 @ Ghost : you are my idol (when it comes to this site)
35 By Pinky Ishkafel 2008-03-03 @WarWrecker
36 By Pinky Ishkafel 2008-03-03 Ultimate skill seems imba, but considering how weak this hero is, i think it won't be a big problem. You need to explain this skill's synergy with other skills.
37 By Ghost 2008-03-03 @cowlickman
38 By Ghost 2008-03-03 naturally add that this is non butterfly stacking.
39 By NovaProspekt 2008-03-03 k for those who say constructive criticism...shut the blank up
40 By NovaProspekt 2008-03-03 the thing is NOT ALL CRITICISM IS CONSTRUCTIVE and your gunna have to get over it 41 By J-Lee 2008-03-03 maybe a better idea could be a skill like mug, like if the skill kills a hero u take extra gold from them that way he actually has an attack skill 42 By ZeusULTiNOW 2008-03-03 whoa.. is this REAL? did you make this up all by yourself?
43 By javsav 2008-03-04 @javsav
44 By javsav 2008-03-04 improve their hero in any way. Rather, it will more likely make them feel bad about ever posting on the site and cease creating heroes all together. If advice were given on the other hand, the individual may actually be able to produce a useful hero.
45 By javsav 2008-03-04 Oh yeah, by the way ghost, your ethereal hero SUCKED ASS, in fact, that was the definition of failing to be epic. A hero with no attack move? Why not remove the spell ability aswell. At the same time remove the hp and the mana. Then it really would be epic.
46 By javsav 2008-03-04 Furthermore, I never disagreed with the useful things that you posted. In fact I agree with what you have said about this hero. However, I have a big problem with posts like these:
47 By Ghost 2008-03-04 @javsav
48 By NovaProspekt 2008-03-04 damn if stuff like this keep happening drew is just gunna stop having hero ideas, stop with the offtopic flaming bullshiz, havent we all learned from me? guess not, but i like the hero idea section and i dont want it taken out so behave your selves 49 By SteadFast 2008-03-04 I agree with Nova, you guys need to stop flaming...
50 By mpupovac 2008-03-04 After reading carefully all of your comments, seems like most of you agree on the fact that Keen Sight is underpowered. I was thinking about improving AoE to fixed 500, lower the mana cost to 45/50/55/60 and increase duration to 5/6/7/8.I would also like to increase cooldown to prevent it from being spammable, for example to 40. What say you? 51 By mpupovac 2008-03-04 To all of you that think that there is no place for a thief in dota, i just realized that this hero is very much the same as one other hero that already ->is 52 By mpupovac 2008-03-04 To all of you that think that there is no place for a thief in dota, i just realized that this hero is very much the same as one other hero that already is in dota (thus making me unoriginal, but anyways...)! Let me compare Strybor and Rooftrellen:
53 By mpupovac 2008-03-04 Nature's Guise vs Hide:
54 By mpupovac 2008-03-04 Living Armor vs Nimbleness:
55 By mpupovac 2008-03-04 Also, i don't see why some of you insist on him having damaging skills. First of all, he's not completely harmless, since he has a ranged attack. He still can kill and push, but his primary role would be to farm and disable! Although i agree that dota mostly revolves around killing enemy heroes, i did see (although rarely) games in which teams with less kills actually won. 56 By J-Lee 2008-03-04 then again roofy has high hp and str as well as an ulti which is really helpful for team kills besides i dont no why everyones getting so worked up its not like all of these heros will actually make it to the game 57 By Ghost 2008-03-04 @mpupovac
58 By NovaProspekt 2008-03-04 the thing is this hero IS useless in dota, either it will be too weak or too strong, theres no way to nerf for the better. this hero can steal about 2800 gold at level 16 with 100 agi higher. now thats way to overpowered
59 By javsav 2008-03-04 I was refering to myself getting banned... 60 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-05 after re-evaluating yes i go with Ghost. techies who doesnt plant mines owns all noobies 61 By Ghost 2008-03-05 mm yes suicide ftw.
62 By mance435 2008-03-06 I like the dude but this is what I noticed:
63 By mance435 2008-03-06 sorry for the double post but I have to correct myself: It was not a good strat, but a good hero idea and that maybe IceFrog should see this. 64 By mance435 2008-03-06 And no matter how much I agree with Ghost, I gave the guy an 8 because he actually introduced to us the real concept of DotA. It is not hero killing. It is not just push-farm-kill. It is to use your mind in making your creeps push to the Ancient you are attacking while defending your own. I think that we have gone way too far in thinking that DotA is all about kills that we fail to look at what this game is about. And BTW, no matter how alike Roof and Strybor are, Roof is for pushing and killing 65 By Ghost 2008-03-06 unfortunately this hero doesn't do the pushing of the throne very well either.
66 By Shimrra_3 2008-03-06 I have here a bottle of 'javsav-be-gone'... you can all guess what I mean by this.
67 By Orochi 2008-03-06 People! What part of PLAY NICE do you not understand?
68 By extasy 2008-03-06 I think u should make his ultimate an AOE skill- like 'Strybor jumps on all of enemy heroes in 600 AOE and steals 30% of gold off every hero.Also confuses them with their pockets loose, so they lose balance and get dizzy with 40% movement and attack speeds reduction for 6/7/8 seconds'- That's how the ulti will be worth it. Also, CD should be 100/85/70 69 By extasy 2008-03-06 Oh, and if he steals from Hide- It's a bonus, and animation should be a black omnislash(but if Strybor is hidden, no animation should be shwon to the enemies unless they have gem or wards) 70 By KrayZspYne 2008-03-06 bwahahahahahaaa, your idea amuses me, lets see... hmmm criticing... okies, 1st skill, um well if u were going up against techies with mines everywhere uhhh, ya ur gonna definately need bigger AoE^^ 2nd skill, stealing gold is this hero's good point so steal and run haha, 3rd well... ok i guess, and ult is kinda odd, but well if u steal hero's money and buy items for ur crew,(like u should!) ur team will loooooooooooove u^^, it is an ok hero idea, great job 9/10 71 By dark12327 2008-03-06 Hmm this guy needs pure agility! Butterfly and lots of it! then throw in a basher XD
72 By Ghost 2008-03-06 i have 2 warning for fending off people who flame me?
73 By Raxxar 2008-03-06 I just have to say... great job dude...
74 By tiberiumlord 2008-03-06 like everyone says, this hero is not so good b/c of not having damage/disabling spells. The only way that you could effectively kill people would be to get lucky or farm up a crow with about 6 dagons all fully upgraded. Anyways, The keen eyes might seem cheap at first but yes, it's balanced because of the area and limited time to truesight. But as for telling you the money... I dunno what to say about that.
75 By tiberiumlord 2008-03-06 Anyways, the hide might be a bit imba. The reason is because of all that extra extra gold you'd get. Maybe it's also because you can hide anytime by standing still. Also, I should point out you might not want to make it useless like Meepo's poof until you get the ulti. Nimbleness is an okay skill. Not too imba, not too weak. Then there's your ulti. Sorry to say, the ult would only steal 1400 gold at max level, just like dohyun99 says.
76 By tiberiumlord 2008-03-06 Also, to strengthen it, why not try to give the ult some damage and hide some extra damage or something to give this guy killing potential. Next time you update this guy, try to show us some item synergies or something so we know better how this hero is designed. Good job and keep up the work
77 By thewyliecoyote 2008-03-06 cool idea, a thief in DotA would be pretty neat. I especially like the first skill. With so many heroes getting invis these days, we need a hero with limited true sight. And I think one way to balance out Hide with Nimbleness would be to increase your damage taken for a few seconds after you un-stealth. That way, this hero would be more reliant on the dodging AND hiding than just hiding. 78 By Enmity 2008-03-07 lol this is kinda silly
79 By sand_king26 2008-03-08 Ulti is too imba.. 80 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-09 why? 81 By -AreS- 2008-03-09 82 By Pinky Ishkafel 2008-03-10 ^ a beautiful comment. it really says everything. 83 By cellvsgohan 2008-03-10 Nice, nice...but um...where are the items 84 By Ghost 2008-03-10 umm agility treads, eye of skadi, mjol, butterfly, butterfly, butterfly.
85 By Ghost 2008-03-10 come on mpupovac a changelog please 86 By mpupovac 2008-03-10 A changelog?
87 By mpupovac 2008-03-10 I mean, i will update the keen sight for sure, but i'm not that good with item builds. I gues all agility items would suit him well. 88 By mpupovac 2008-03-10 I mean, i will update the keen sight for sure, but i'm not that good with item builds. I gues all agility items would suit him well. 89 By Ghost 2008-03-10 i think a remake on hide and a buff to nimbleness.
90 By labradoor 2008-03-10 kinda coll but remove nimbleness... its just like voids dodge cheap imitation but weaker 91 By vendetta003 2008-03-10 You can actually steal gold from enemies?
92 By moy_517 2008-03-14 hey! i don't understand this hero??!! this hero is very confusing! 93 By klwk 2008-03-14 kind of a weird hero actually quite a useless one
94 By Jaster Mereel 2008-03-18 what happens if you steal from an image..? 95 By mpupovac 2008-03-18 Nothing! I guess. 96 By mpupovac 2008-03-18 Waste of an ulti. 97 By neimi 2008-03-19 unique hero 10/10
98 By Creative_PH 2008-03-19 how bout makin the steal, passive?
99 By Ghost 2008-03-20 @Creative_PH
100 By Phoenix_Earth 2008-03-26 I see Satyrs all around the map as creeps, don't need him for a hero.
101 By BigFruit 2008-03-27 I think nimbleness must be buffed, since it only gives evasion and nothing more. Mortred gets 28% dodge AND becomes hard to see. so the best thing to do is just buying Butterfly and dont skill nimbleness at all... 102 By Avatar Azula 2008-03-28 i suggest that tou change the ultimate skill to something that's kinda "useful"...
103 By tzoglis 2008-03-29 try to steal from drow ranger 104 By zooyork_sk8r 2008-04-02 i love it...lol...but 4 the thrid skill...to make it better...make it like every time it dodges it gets like 10-15 gold...idk...just a though :D 105 By NZFiRehaWk 2008-04-06 awsome hero.could be very over powered 106 By Sco0obY 2008-04-19 WOW!!
107 By zigeo 2008-04-21 well, ill say its a nice hero whos balanced. i noticed that his ulti is "kinda" like bounty hunter's. if he kills someone with track on, he gets bonus gold as well. if i had to pick out of the two of them, im afraid id take bounty. this is good though, as it means he isntnt overpowered, he doesnt help team battles by a HUGE amount, and if anything, he depends on what hes got in his inventory more than any of his skills. i like. 108 By zradock 2008-04-25 @mpupovac
109 By Bedlampje 2008-04-27 blegh i think i would hate him if he waas against me, Finally i got enough money for Sacred Relic, steal 110 By Ungdi 2008-04-28 Gold steal? NICE!
111 By killerhaz 2008-05-06 haha mad idea, ninja gold. i'd be so cut saving for relic, then my moneys gone :(. would be fun to play, but maybe a disable skill somewhere there... 112 By folechno 2008-05-06 nice idea and good abilities
113 By risyakeren 2008-05-14 I think the Shortcuts are too far away from one another si it will be hard to play with this hero. I think stealing money skills in DoTA are illegal. Wakakak! |
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), i really appreciate it. I will be looking into some of your ideas and hopefully improve some aspects of this hero.