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Mrrrrgurrrul - Murloc Puddle Jumper

Created by Zabasaz on 2008-03-10
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While the murloc race is often seen as a primitive, unintelligent one of sorts, even such an unorganized species is wise enough to collaborate and pool efforts in order to achieve the greater good - in this case, salvation for one's own race. The fall of the ancients was seen to the fish-men as the dawn of the day of their demise - and so, amongst them one was chosen to fight the Scourge in the interest of protecting themselves and their seas from destructions. Mrrrrgurrrul was born to a great murloc seer in the sunken ruins of the murloc capital, Rrrrgus. Thus, he seemed the most viable candidate for fighting for his people. So he set off to fulfill the prophecy and bring salvation to not only fishkind, but the world itself.

Puddle (D)
Mrrrrgurrrul creates a puddle of water at target location. While in the influence of puddles or any other source of water, Mrrrrgurrrul has increased hp regeneration and movement speed. Enemies within the influence of the puddles have decreased movement speed. Maximum 2 Puddles, lasts indefinitely, and Mrrrrgurrrul can leap to his nearest if within range.
Level 1 - Increases HP regeneration by 2 per second and movement speed by 5% while in water. Enemies within the Puddle have movement speed decreased by 5%. Blink range is 800.
Level 2 - Increases HP regeneration by 4 per second and movement speed by 10% while in water. Enemies within the Puddle have movement speed decreased by 5%. Blink range is 950.
Level 3 - Increases HP regeneration by 6 per second and movement speed by 15% while in water. Enemies within the Puddle have movement speed decreased by 10%. Blink range is 1100.
Level 4 - Increases HP regeneration by 8 per second and movement speed by 20% while in water. Enemies within the Puddle have movement speed decreased by 15%. Blink range is 1300.
Mana Cost: 120 | 100 | 90 | 75
Cooldown: 25

Framework: Picture a huge moon well, minus the actual moonwell - the water left is what the puddle would look like.

Notes: The passive boosts of this skill is given not only in the influence of Mrrrrgurrrul's puddles, but also in the river that centers the map. Think of the Spin Web ability Broodmother has when you think of this move - he has slight vision of the puddles as well, and cannot use Boots of Travel to reach them. The primary purpose of this move is more clear if you look at Mrrrrgurrrul's other techniques, but for the most part it allows for pushing, fleeing, and a place for stationary combat situations (like early game lane pushing.) Now the Puddle, as per the change, comes with a Snare and Blink - Obviously this makes for some anti-hero potential, allowing you to not only pursue with your blink but to slow fleeing heroes for you and your team to deal with.

Sea Sickness (N/A)
Mrrrrgurrrul's coral-encrusted blade can infect wounds, weakening enemies and damaging them if the wounds come into contact with water - whether Puddle or river. Last 6 seconds.
Level 1 - 15% chance to activate on hit, lowers afflicted unit's movement speed by 5%, and afflicted units take 15 damage/second if within water.
Level 2 - 15% chance to activate on hit, lowers afflicted unit's movement speed by 5%, and afflicted units take 30 damage/second if within water.
Level 3 - 25% chance to activate on hit, lowers afflicted unit's movement speed by 5%, and afflicted units take 45 damage/second if within water.
Level 4 - 25% chance to activate on hit, lowers afflicted unit's movement speed by 5%, and afflicted units take 60 damage/second if within water.
Mana Cost: N/A
Cooldown: 6

Framework: Enemies afflicted will tint green and give off a poison animation akin to either plague cloud or normal poisons.

Notes: This is his passive - it snares for 5%, not much but it stacks to 20% with a Puddle. So it isn't a stand alone move - but the damage it deals has been powered up. After six seconds of river-time that's a whopping 360 damage, same if in a Puddle but they'll be slowed longer too, which hopefully will keep them in it for the full duration of the damage ticks. In any case, the move can only trigger once every six seconds - it'd be ridiculously strong otherwise on an agility hero. Nonetheless, you won't win a river-fight very easily against Mrrrrgurrrul.

Tidal Delirium (T)
Mrrrrgurrrul's adapts well to his land environments despite missing his ocean home - but he is still a master of submerged tussling. He can switch between two combat stances - his base stance offers an evasion chance, and his other stance increases his attack speed. Evasion in Aqua Dementia is increased by 5% and attack speed in Tidal Delirium is doubled if in water.
Level 1 - Aqua Dementia increases chance to dodge by 4%, Tidal Delirium increases attack speed by 5%.
Level 2 - Aqua Dementia increases chance to dodge by 8%, Tidal Delirium increases attack speed by 10%.
Level 3 - Aqua Dementia increases chance to dodge by 12%, Tidal Delirium increases attack speed by 15%.
Level 4 - Aqua Dementia increases chance to dodge by 16%, Tidal Delirium increases attack speed by 20%.
Mana Cost: N/A
Cooldown: N/A

Framework: Mrrrrgurrrul is blue in Aqua Dementia and green in Tidal Delirium, and the icons correspond to what color he would turn (green or blue murloc face.)

Notes: He is in neither stance and gets neither bonuses without points in this skill - and he can switch at any time for no cost and no cooldown. Now that it is out of the water... I made this move at the premise of him being able to evade for fighting defensively and attack faster (therefore proccing more poisons/orbs) for fighting offensively. Most will view Aqua Dementia as simply a mechanic of fleeing, but I see it as a variation of build and strategy - build attack speed to compliment his evasion or build damage/orbs to compliment his increased attack speed. Imagine that. Oh, and naturally it is much more effective in water. Catching a Tidal Delirium Mrrrrgurrrul smashing you with Sea Sickness in the river is no fun.

Belly Flop (F)
Mrrrrgurrrul dives fearlessly into one of his puddles! This move deals damage and stuns enemy units caught in the splash, and knocks all units in or near the puddle away. The Puddle is destroyed this way. Due to the concussive force of his water landing, Mrrrrgurrrul is stunned as well.
Level 1 - 300 Range, damage dealt is equal to x2 Mrrrrgurrrul's total agility plus 200. Stuns for 1 second.
Level 2 - 400 Range, damage dealt is equal to x3 Mrrrrgurrrul's total agility plus plus 200. Stuns for 2 seconds.
Level 3 - 600 Range, damage dealt is equal to x4 Mrrrrgurrrul's total agility plus plus 200. Stuns for 3 seconds.
The Knockback affects all units, even allies, but the damage/stun only affects enemies. The Knockback is based on your distance from the center(origin) of the Puddle that is triggered by this move - more if closer, less if further away. Since the radius of the puddle is 300 (total circumferance 600, subject to change if by popular demand) then this is the equation:

300 - d + 100, where d is equal to the distance from the origin. So, the knockback generally knocks you just out of the rim of the puddle. You knock down trees and whatnot, and the stun takes effect after you stop moving.
Mana Cost: 120 | 180 | 225
Cooldown: 110

Framework: A movement akin to the leap-effect of of Tiny's Throw move, and when he lands in the puddle, a large splash effect on the center of the puddle and on the base of all units hit by it - as well as an outward-from-the-middle set of water-tinted carrion swarm animations, to simulate a quick flow of water. The Puddle itself seeps into the ground somewhat slowly - an abrupt vanish would look silly. Note - Mrrrgurrrul lands in the MIDDLE of the puddle before being stunned, and enemies will always be knocked AWAY from the middle of the puddle.

Notes: Quite a big change, a lot of you will see. Based on your agility you'll do aoe damage to anyone within 300 of the Puddle's origin, so that's just in the rim of it. That means that to use it at bottom rank he has to be in the puddle himself, since the Puddle has a radius of 300 and an overall end to end width of 600 - the middle is the point used for reference here, for the landing. So, this move will: 'Teleport' the Murloc to the middle of his nearest puddle if within range Do AOE dmg based on his total (with items) agility to nearby enemies Stun him and the enemies for 3 seconds Knockback enemies and allies to 100 beyond the rim of where the puddle is/was, beginning the stun after the knockback for enemies. Remove the Puddle - he has to place another, now.

Discussion:

- Mrrrrgurrrul, his skills, and You -

The Skills: As you can see, Mrrrrgurrrul is an agility hero with no direct damage spells. Why is this? Simple - because he's an auto-attacker with in every respect except for his ulti. That means using his skills is far from a science, although there still is a visible difference between using them right and simply using them - and there are many ways to do so, still. You can build him for stunning, damage for ganking, ulti-powering, what have you.

Puddle (and Puddle Jump): Mrrrrgurrrul is entirely centric to his puddles. Without them he is useless, and all of his skill uses in combat are heavily influenced by them. Thus, placing them is a tricky concept. A good strategy to me would be to stick one behind the enemy and one behind you - this way you can use it both in pursuit and in fleeing. Don't worry about the other lanes - you have the river, still, to take advantage of.

The passive bonuses of being in water for Mrrrrgurrrul are dangerously steep. He gains a movement speed boost that slaps most snares in the face, and a fairly potent regeneration boost as well - and on top of that, enemies are slowed in these Puddles and all of his moves are more powerful.

Needless to say this makes the move very good for both chasing and fleeing, and can be used to control a lane - and then of course you've got the water of the river to use for lane-switching and well-timed ambushes and interceptions. Mrrrrgurrrul is therefore very effective at guerrilla warfare.

Your Puddle-summoning is on a 25 second cooldown and a pretty easy mana cost, and you may have two at once. Thus, moving them around isn't a very alien concept - in fact I would encourage moving them to mix things up and confuse your enemies.

The circumference of the circle is up for debate. It might be too small or too big - it sits on 600 end to end, 300 from middle to edge. I think it needs to grow personally, but with the new ulti, I'm unsure.

On an aside - Puddle Jump! I have kept the skill but added it to the Puddle, so that like Spectre's Haunt/Replacement, you can use it quickly to get to your nearest puddle, if it is in range. This just adds to both his ability to flee/chase and his guerrilla warfare business of ambushing and intercepting.

Sea Sickness: I was going to call this Coral Encrusted Blade, but this was more cute/clever, and made the ability sound more as though it came from the Murlocs own strength than his weapon.

Sea Sickness is Tidal Delirium's poison both nerfed and empowered in some ways, for the sake of better balance. It is the same, except it has been moved to its own skill.

What this move does is imbues Mrrrrgurrrul's auto-attack with a 15%-25% chance (based on rank) to apply a debuff on a target. This debuff lowers their movement speed by 5% (totaling at 20% if they're in your Puddle's snare) and deals 15-60 (based on rank) damage per second if they're standing within the aura of your Puddles or in the river that divides the map. It lasts six seconds, so in a water-ambush you can probably deal up to 360 with it, alone. Mrrrrgurrrul is a fragile hero, but with his evasion and poison he more than makes up for it.

Now the move can only proc every six seconds - this means you can't KEEP it on them, there's still an aspect of chance in applying it. It is NOT AN ORB EFFECT - REJOICE!

Tidal Delirium / Aqua Dementia: So, I can't really upload the green icon for the return-to-evasion stance, so I'm sorry for that. I think I know how but to be honest I haven't found/made one yet. I'll leave that for the next update since I'm in a hero to finish this up and get out the door.

In Tidal Delirium, your attack speed is, at top rank, boosted by 20% (or 40% if you are in water.) In Aqua Dementia, your evasion chance is increased by 16% (or 21% in water.) You can only have one at a time.

PROBLEM! With Butterfly, 51% evasion is pretty nuts, and then there's Radiance. But I figure there's some way to implement a Diminishing Stack so that he gains a smaller bonus from either if he has them - maybe totaling at 40% or something.

When I made these skills I had the concept of multiple builds/strategies for Mrrrrgurrrul in mind. You could build him to keep his evasion, or build him to keep his attack speed, or vary, so that either way you take advantage of either stance. I didn't want to give Mrrrrgurrrul a direct damage attack - he's all about manipulating the map and auto-attacking the life out of you, especially in the water. So naturally this is what I ended up with. It is a good skill, not sure if it'll be too unbalanced, but I am proud of it. PS: NO MORE MISS!

Belly Flop: The new and I-think improved ulti. It deals damage based on your agility (making it useful to stack, but also limiting in that some people would probably rather build a bit on their life?) and stuns in an aoe - AND, for extra-added fun, knocks everyone back out of your destroyed Puddle. There's a lot I can say about this move but I am low on time so I'll be brief.

This move is effective for chasing someone - you can jump up in front of them and hit them with the ulti, knocking them back away from their destination and dealing damage+stunning. It is best with the team near since the stun afflicts you too, but it must be timed and used correctly for fear of only mixing you all up or ruining a teammate's channel.

It is also very effective late game, if you have a lot of agility you can do some overwhelming damage and stunning that turns the tide of a battle - then just help your team mop up the poor victims. Does it need more damage? I think not.

The move has some flaws, and one such flaw is that your puddles are expendable with it. But, since they're not too difficult to replace, this shouldn't prove tough. If you're not one to use this at the end of a fight to do some major damage but rather to jump in early, then you can always just drop another right after and press on.

Skill Synergies: As is evident, in many ways all of Mrrrrgurrrul's skills coordinate.

Puddle + Puddle Jump = Blink-capability. You get a whopping 1250 distance Blink, which can be great for fleeing or getting around the battlefield as necessary.

Puddle + Puddle Jump + Tidal Delirium = Great ambush capability. Blink behind someone and hit them with your snare, then laugh as they attempt to flee through your Puddle back to their silly little fountain. The attack speed of your Tidal Delirium will ensure you get your snares off before they're long gone. In reverse, hit them with the snare and save the Blink for an interception when they flee if you're playing against a prudent enemy.

Puddle + Belly Flop = Well, this is self-explanatory if you read the descriptions.

- Mrrrrgurrrul and his Murloc Loot -

The Items: Mrrrrgurrrrul is, in essence, an auto-attacking agility hero. Therefore purchasing items for him shouldn't be all too difficult to figure out.

The Bracer is a good source of early game stats - especially life, which isn't a strong trait of Mrrrrgurrrrul. Since he has gifted regeneration in his puddles, you don't particularly need rings - just these babies.

With your +40% attack speed and what have you, the Basher can make keeping your foes in the water a lot easier, and therefore make your build a lot more effective. Not to mention your snare is more likely to proc if you get more hits off on your foe, and perma-stunning them in the influence of your ulti is just a good idea all around.

If you don't intend any Orb effects, a Mask of Madness is just fine - the lifesteal should supplement your defenses in a fight and the frenzy should be welcome with your Tidal Delirium.

While I am not overtly fond of the Sange and Yasha, it has wonderful bonuses for almost any auto-attacking hero. The movement and attack speed, along with the maim if you didn't take the MoM, should be lots of fun, especially stacked with your puddle speed boosts and the damage bonus they give your Tidal Delirium snare.

It's easy to look at Mrrrrgurrrrul like an ambushing hero - he has to have you where he wants you to truly do his damage. A Lothar's can put you in place for a good attack, although it isn't quite as necessary for fleeing if you got a Puddle in range for fleeing. I would personally pick up a Lothar's very late into the game, if the need arised.

A little bit of Feedback never hurt anyone, but the Purge - on top of your water speed boosts and Snare, it's a slow you can definitely afford to invest in. Also, purging could help to keep a snared foe in your puddle longer, or in your ulti even.

The damage and speed + the channeling interrupt will be VERY effective against heroes like Pugna and such. You'll be hitting a lot with Delirium active if your misses aren't consistent, so it could be good to take advantage of.

You have yourself a useful slow, and it can be stacked with a Vlad's for lifestealing, making you a beast when it comes to auto-attacking.

Who doesn't benefit from a Vlad's to some degree? This will make pushing and fighting other heroes one hell of a lot easier, I would be willing to bet.

Your enemies are not fleeing from your Murloc Might? Then the 30% evasion, attack speed, an +60 dmg is just what you need. Butterfly, in my opinion, is the most powerful weapon in the game. Go ahead, Mrrrrgurrrrul, flutter to your foes and eviscerate them.

The Assault Cuirass offers defense and offense in huge quantities - attack speed is rad, especially with a Basher or two to stun with, and anti-defense will allow you to pound them harder while preserving your own scales. Expensive, but within reason.

Could build well with a permastunner, or even if you just want to keep Tidal Delirium up. Generally however it doesn't take a hyperstone/hand of midas to get a 1/5 move going when you already have +40% attack speed.

Mjollnir can gift you with creep-farming capabilities that are nasty with your attack speed, and don't forget that you can also Static Charge to help your squishy, scaly hide.

Vanguard is a cheap item that is great for filling the gaps of a fragile character. The Regeneration will speed up your healing in the water with Delirium off, and the +health is definitely welcome. Also, damage blocking lulz.

You're already a pretty fast hero, so the Boots of Travel aren't all that important to be honest. The Power Treads will compliment you in many ways, so grab some early.

I could also picture people buying Radiance, Buriza, or Manta Style - but I don't know if it's good ESPECIALLY for Mrrrrgurrrrul, but just for auto-attackers in general rather. This is a suggestion, merely. Buy according to your foes, not your tastes, and you can be invincible.

- Heroes, Villains, and Murloc Aficionados -

Hero synergy takes a lot of thought. I haven't given it much, but let's see off the top of my head what could compliment our beloved Mrrrrgurrrul most efficiently.

Good:

In some way all of these heroes can help you make the best use of your puddle - whether it has to do with keeping them in its influence longer, putting them in it, or simply having SA drop a silence on the Puddle so that your poor victim cannot blink out. Your build is so highly Puddle centric that it may fall on your team, not just you, to use them.

Also Good:

Yes, Warlock twice - three of these heroes have some kind of damage over time move that stacks well with your watery grave snare, so you've got some taking them out while you're pursuing. Slithereen, also, is very good at helping you keep enemies stunned in or out of your Puddle, and is a great pursuer. Your Puddles, if placed right, will generally mark where you're going to be chasing people to, often. So, it'll help you coordinate hero kills and ganks. And Enchantress? Impetus, Slow, and Heal, yumyumyum.

Bad:

One hero? I can update it if I'm given more ideas, but Spiritbreaker wouldn't make for a good ally with him constantly knocking your foes out of the Puddle.

Now, for enemies:

Dangerous:

All Techies needs to do is lay four or five mines in one of your Puddles. You pop Blink and BAM! You're dead. Yes, unfortunately you have an enemy who will use your own Puddle-centric stratagems against you - Techies, shine on, you dirty bastards.

I don't want to put down anymore dangerous heroes since, in the right hands all heroes are dangerous in their own way. I am looking for heroes that would be against Mrrrrgurrrul solely because of what kind of hero HE is, not what kind of hero THEY are. Weaknesses, basically. Please, comment and submit suggestions.

This is about all I got, but I have many future submissions in mind, since I've got tons of hero ideas for dota that I think fill ditches people have long-since wanted filled in terms of gameplay and hero selection. I hope you like it and definitely give me some input.

-Zabasaz

Changelog:

2008-03-27: Changed the speed to 300 - FOR REAL THIS TIME! :awesome:
2008-03-19: -Lowered movement speed to 305, increased str-gain per level to 1.75. -Changed Puddle dramatically - It now comes with a Blink, and enemies within the influence of the Puddles will have their movement speed decreased based on rank, totaling at 15%. -Removed Puddle Jump - it has been replaced with Sea Sickness. -Added Sea Sickness - This is the poison in Tidal Delirium made into its own NON-ORB passive. It snares for 5% and does at top rank 60 damage a second if in water. It now can only trigger once per six seconds. -Changed Tidal Delirium - It is now Aqua Dementia in one stance and Tidal Delirium in the other (as in, the button to switch to one is its respective name.) In Aqua Dementia you have an evasion chance and in Tidal Delirium an attack speed boost - the miss has been removed, the poison made into its own skill, and the boosts from the stances are more effective in water (instead of one being less effective.) -Removed Call of the Coast. -Added Belly Flop - Read the description, it's his new ulti to replace the old, shoddy one by popular request. -Edited his Builder Section to fix his new skills, my Eye of Skadi mistake and to accommodate a Morphling request. (Props to Sigokil)

Comments

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1 By Shimrra_3 2008-03-10

Neat hero but it makes no sense to have him as Agility considering his skills. I'll come back when I'm not sleepy.

2 By kesgaea 2008-03-10

aah a murloc hero... hmm...hmm... seems kinda not suited to be a agi hero.. with his skills... he would be too fragile i think... i think best for him to be a str hero... just my thought... but i see this hero becoming the opposite of most agi heroes... where early on he'll be very powerful because fights are quite often fought near rivers... but later in the game where pushing comes into picture... you fill in the rest.. also the ulti.. is it channeling is the rexxar's skill or not like tinker?

3 By ihearyoumama 2008-03-10

very creative love the hero!!!

4 By valborgofdestiny 2008-03-10

nice spells imo :) but the puddle jump should cost more mana (bout 120 imo)
and buff tidal delirium

i always wanted a murloc her0 :) seems like the only creep in WC3 that isnt a DotA hero - so gogogo post this to icefrog and hope he'll accept this cool imba nice hero :)

buff the tidal delirium tho

5 By ChaosRave 2008-03-10

Nt bad. Very creative and unique. Nt imba in anyway tht i can think of. Very nice job

6 By micahel009 2008-03-10

meelee eye of skadl IS an orb effect.
ulti is a bit too imba
especially when fighting mid lane in the middle of the river, easily 1000 damage or more.

7 By uriash 2008-03-10

I would like to suggest a slight change of the Puddle: instead of the +20% movespeed in water, put a -20% movespeed of enemies who enter the puddle.

Great for ganking, escaping, and nice synergy with ulti and nostalgia: target is slowed, and will take great amounts of damage from ulti, since he cant escape it .

just my suggestion, though.

8 By bandai 2008-03-10

sucky one

9 By Raxxar 2008-03-10

NICE
Really really nice, creative and all... It could work awesomely well, especially in the hands of a pro...
Good one on making him an Agi hero... Otherwise, he'd be pretty useless, because none of his skills are good all by themselves...
Really good, and balanced, and I definitely like the whole idea...
10/10

10 By The_Dark_Lord 2008-03-10

I'll give it a 10/10 purely for creativity

11 By cowlickman 2008-03-10

Another murloc hero! I made one a while ago, and he got accepted but was posted at the bottom of the Hero Ideas page so no one got to see him... :( So I took him down and made him all over again.

I have a skill comparable to your puddle, except mine is a torrent where it rains!

Everything is very original and I like it. I assume you would appear in the middle of the puddle? I think 3 puddles would be acceptable at highest level, no?

12 By cowlickman 2008-03-10

I didn't understand your snare skill because I thought the AoE of the puddle was much smaller, but I get it now. What does the snare do exactly? Apart from dealing damage when in contact with water (another resemblance to my murloc, I'm sure you would like him)...

I don't really like the ultimate though, too similar to March of the Machines. Why not replace that spell with another one of your ideas and just buff it up?

my murloc:

http://dotastrategy.com/add_hero.php?step=9&ident=7275

13 By labradoor 2008-03-10

max of 2 puddles seems kinda weak in late game. lookat black arachnia! her webs has so many advantage

1. wind walk
2. regen
3. true sight
4. increase movement speed when wind walked.

whle yours has only 2...
i give it 3/5

14 By GAMER369 2008-03-10

In my opinion this hero should be strength but agility works to...XD

15 By BananRadar 2008-03-10

Hahaha! A Murloc!!
Now that I'm finnished harrasing fish (ô.O) I'll go on to commenting...

Good one with good originality, I have one question: How many and How long does the murlocs of the ulti last?

Will rate after clarify

16 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-11

kind of weak

puddle is a nerfed version of web, attach this skill with the jump(nerf the range) and make another new skill.or you can make the puddle have somewhat passive slow if walked through by an enemy.

tidal delirium is fine considering its not an orb

ultimate is weak. you put example of W3 rear meaning this skill is channeling? if it does ,remove the channeling and tell us exactly how much murlocks will spawn, and how long it last.i suggest like 20 spawns

17 By Shimrra_3 2008-03-11

I didn't notice his 325 movespeed hmm... debatable. I agree with other posts, we need more info on the ultimate and you need to pump up the maximum Puddles (yes, compare to Spider's Webs). Suggest one wave of Murlocs per second for... around 5-10 seconds? You know more than us, define this skill please.

18 By DrowRangerTraxex 2008-03-11

Nice hero

19 By joshie 2008-03-11

i desagree with the movespeed (325) never seen.nice hero anyway

20 By sinistergaz 2008-03-11

You should decrease the attack damage a little bit other wise 10/10 keep up the good work mate!

21 By sinistergaz 2008-03-11

You should decrease the attack damage a little bit other wise 10/10 keep up the good work mate!

22 By AJ07 2008-03-11

i think the ulti is a bit much. either nerf range (its massive) or the dmg.

lol, edit puddle. it says puddle width is 600 secular. lol, it's non-religious? sorry, i just think stuff like that is hilarious. change it to AoE or something.
i like the idea for the hero, but it's hard for me to think of a good use for him.

23 By Brewser 2008-03-11

yer hes ok, gd idea none the less. 1 question..puddle jump..i dont get it? does he automatically jump in da direction of the closest puddle? even if he cnt make it?

24 By jobryt 2008-03-12

wow nice hero but i dont like his name and the 3rd skill is too much

25 By choyboy 2008-03-12

yay 25th 2 comment

26 By choyboy 2008-03-12

yay 25th 2 comment

27 By KING-MANKIND 2008-03-12

all the skills feel like I've seen b4 in some shape or capacity in other heroes, but the hero has a little sense of unique just for him. I don't know if u got my point and the agility type is just not for him, but I don't know what's his best type should be. this hero doesn't feel like a powerful one.
6 or 7 from me.

28 By tend 2008-03-12

shit bro i love the idea of puddle and puddle jump, his 3rd skill is usless imo and ult is not original but i love the idea of a horde of murlocs xD 5/10

29 By SteadFast 2008-03-12

Nice work, 9/10

30 By Bozza 2008-03-12

buff's and nerfs here and there
but i think this hero has alot of potential

31 By redwrath5 2008-03-12

he is supposed to be fragile hes meant to kill off quick. i think puddle needs a very small AS bonus and remove the MS bonus to support his weak health amount

32 By tiberiumlord 2008-03-12

this is a good idea... but tidal delirium will probably be Mega Kill in like 15 minutes if coupled with a MoM because of the chance to ensnare...

33 By bobjones 2008-03-12

2 Puddles are too little and they aren't good enough...That also makes puddle jump pretty weak as well

34 By KidA 2008-03-13

its a nice hero, but too HIGH ms. 325? and a spell to make him 20% faster, nah. change it to 310-315 ms and maybe 15% faster. otherwise very nice.

35 By nwa4life 2008-03-13

i think that this hero is ok. u should add some things on how many puddles to put as if u can put them all over the map thats a bit imba lol. also i think u should really change the pic. of the first skill as it looks a bit random. lol also nice ulti original. 8/10 for orignality

36 By Swifty_McVay 2008-03-13

Really cool hero idea
7/10
and btw how do I submit my own hero idea?
I got a really nice idea. I can't find any button that says "Submit Hero Idea"

37 By coco616 2008-03-13

This one is sick. Not imba and would be very fun.

38 By CESAR619 2008-03-14

EYOT MONG TANAN

39 By KydreamZz 2008-03-14

Melee EoS is an orb effect..to correct u =P ... overall seems like a cute hero.. imagine tiny tossing a murloc around... LOL

40 By sosyal007 2008-03-14

hmmmm i think its ok..........

41 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-14

no effort i see
6/10

42 By Greater Bash 2008-03-14

Your 3th spell is useless. Why would you want to miss? You don't have any benefit from your attackspeed then.
Missing is stupid.

43 By Shimrra_3 2008-03-14

I find your lack of changes disturbing, creator! Discover that this was approved please!

44 By sigokil 2008-03-17

Nerf the damage and ms.
And put morphling as his best allies...
10/10

45 By Kodama28 2008-03-17

You used the word nostalgia wrong!

46 By tiberiumlord 2008-03-18

@above This is Dota discussion not English class.

Anyways,I should add that you should first discover this was approved then give the puddle ability a higher limit on the number of puddles and nerf tidal delirium.

47 By Zabasaz 2008-03-19

Oh wow, okay, so let me get this all together. I think he's fine agility hero, but yeah, a lot of people I showed it to were shaky on the ulti. Not so much for its strength as for it being rather bland, so I ought to see what I have in the way of other ideas.

A lot of conflicting opinions here, trying to decide what the change.

48 By Zabasaz 2008-03-19

I didn't intend for his ulti to be channeled, if I made it seem that way, so sorry. It goes on as you fight, you just need to cast it.

Also, I had considered the possibility of attaching the blink to the Puddle move and putting another move in (like how Haunt and the replacing skill are linked)

We'll see, I need to put some thought into it and find the time.

49 By tiberiumlord 2008-03-20

Sweet, this hero is a lot better since the change. The Sea-sickness is ok, the new puddle is better, and the delirium is Heckuva more balanced. However, I'd stay on perma-delirium mode . As for the new ultimate, that damage is gonna hurt worse than backstab, but that's why it's an ult. I'd say you should nerf the ult a bit (Maybe not as much xagility bonus?) and your good. I'd give you an 8/10 but sadly I used my vote on your old version

50 By Mangles 2008-03-22

Great hero idea. I love it. Though i do think that you should increase the puddle area so that it is more usable late game. Maybe give it an increase per level by 100 and start with a 500 diameter instead of 600. Early game you have the river as your advantage.

51 By Zabasaz 2008-03-22

Odd, seems his movement speed didn't change.

52 By maki_27 2008-03-23

can he leap in rivers or in puddle only? well creative mind, a nice hero.

53 By Abomasnow21 2008-03-24

Rooftrellen has the trees, this guy has the rivers. I like this hero. I wanted to come up with a murloc hero before. Mine also had a sort of "stance" changing but it had to do with the time of day. Thank you for representing the fish ppl.

54 By Zabasaz 2008-03-24

You cannot leap into the river. Only into Puddles, hence "Puddle Jump."

To the river would be hard to work out and probably offset the way he is built.

55 By TheWrathofGod 2008-03-25

love the hero and it fits with wc3/dota theme. nice skills but add more puddles 2 max seems weak dude make it 8 max

56 By Zabasaz 2008-03-27

Unfortunately I will not be adding more puddles. It seems too powerful for him to have too many, since he has the river as it is.

However I may make the puddles bigger in the future.

57 By Razorrocks 2008-04-04

Wow very good I hope icefrog adds you

58 By Zabasaz 2008-04-04

I don't know that I'll be submitting this to IceFrog, but thank you.

59 By bug 2008-04-05

60 By pauljulipa 2008-04-06

GOOD!Nice one..your very creative..
and i noticed that murloc is strong when it is on river..I better give you 7/10
I comment you again next time I do not have time to write..HEHE

61 By Darth Baker 2008-04-13

wow super creative man, the pudles and belly flop combo is very well thouht out 10/10

62 By hurtz21 2008-04-18

wow good hero with a bad face!

i want to try this very helpful hero!
but only on water...

63 By Gambit 2008-04-18

I was hoping for a skill like march of the machines. Masses of murlocs charging at someone. Yelling thier battle cry. VERY anoying, esp if the cry was mapwide.

64 By TReZe 2008-04-20

really nice hero! very original and balanced! i love the fact that he is at home when wet!
the king of the river haha
10/10 i hope they make this hero

65 By SykoKiller 2008-04-21

breakers ulti knocks people in the other direction so he could be beneficial he could also knock them in to the puddle.

66 By Zabasaz 2008-04-28

Thanks for your good comments. I will consider sending this to the dota creator although I personally don't care either way, I mostly did this for fun and find it'd be vain for me to do so

On an aside, @Gambit

Mrrrrgurrrul's ulti actually was just like March of the Machines originally but I scrapped it in favor of Belly Flop as per popular demand.

67 By Ppz 2008-05-05

I love murlocs! DotA should have a murloc hero!
Imho a murloc IS an AGI creature so you are right by setting AGI as it's primary stat.
It would be an out of ordinary hero for sure becouse of it's water nature... i'd like to play it!

68 By Zabasaz 2008-05-08

Thanks for the five-star rating everybody!

In celebration I'll give a little spoiler about my upcoming hero:

His name is Vitae and he uses life drain and life distribution magick.

69 By bl@zer35 2008-05-10

this is the nicest hero I've ever seen in the hero ideas forum.... personally bec. i love agi heroes... i mean whats not to like about him? he has blink and fast movement speed so if anyone can catch you they must be a perm basher .... he also haas a strong ulti... any great hero five star rating

NOTE: you should also put meepo in his GOOD alies caues of his earthbind which helps with his puddle and ulti

70 By saya_macd 2008-05-10

hey. you never talk about early mid late and conc. WHATS THE DEAL!?!?!?!?