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View Item Idea > Mimic Mimic Created by XemnasxxEternal! on 2008-03-21 Rating: Viewed 4011 times Commented 61 times
	Price: 7000 gold Description: A cursed skull which can imitate one and another. It creates chaos and confusion to mortals in Azeroth so they had to banish it in the realm of the Netherworld. But they couldn't for some reason. Instead, they sealed it in a living body and never let anyone know it's existence. Gives: + 10 Damage + 10% IAS + 18 Agility + 6 Intellegence + 450 HP + 150 Mana + Passive: Feedback 36 Mana Burned per Attack to Heroes Orb Effects do not Stack + Active: Swap Image Swaps image on both wielder and enemy temporarily. When this is activated, the image frameworks of the wielder and the enemy trade places to the other. All units including towers consider the enemy as a treat (meaning the wielder's allied units and tower consider him as an enemy and the swapped enemy's allied units and towers consider him as an enemy). The swapped image hero and enemy can use his enemy's spells, can attack allies or enemies and use items of their enemies but cannot drop. If any of this heroes died, the one who is alive will be returned to his/her original body. The one who died will be returned, too when he revived. Lasts for 2 min. 250 Mana Cost, 300 Second Cooldown Requires: Manta Style Point Booster

	Discussion: This item may be imba but I think I should change the effect of this item later. Right now, I'll discuss how it works. When you swap yourself with an enemy, your allies become your enemies and your enemies become your allies. But you can attack any hero you wish to kill if you really had to. This is an example. Tinker has this item and wants to swap with Netherdrake. => The result is: <= This is Tinker and this is Viper => In this state, you can attack any hero, even allies. Here's an example. A 2v2 match occured. Their heroes are: V.S. Then, Magina built Mimic to replace himself with Viper. V.S. There is no change but it already happened! <=KILL??= V.S. =KILL=> The outcome of this match become twisted and gives a negative result. Ohh, I almost forgot! When the hero swapped was killed, both will be killed but doesn't count as a kill for the killer. When they die, they are back to their original form. The Importance and Usefulness of this Item The reason why I put this is because some users don't see the usefulness of this item. There are 3 reasons why this item is useful. First, when your HP is in critical condition and an enemy hero is chasing you, you can swap with an enemy hero without being noticed. Instead of a kill, the enemy killed an ally and doesn't count as a kill. You're safe from danger. Second, this is an opportunity to get XP and gold without a sweat. You can kill your enemy hero's allies and get back in your original hero. And last, you can SPY and observe what will they do. The messaging is not disabled but you can see what will your enemies type down. But there's a flaw. The enemy hero you swapped with also gains the same. Now that you know how this thing works, comment on this item, OK?
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1 By micahel009 2008-03-21

this is confusing
i don't really see why this would be useful...
enemy hero kills your ally?
just plain to complicated for me

2 By caseron14 2008-03-22

yeah,ur items attribute is very nice but its skill is very confucing

3 By Bard Man 2008-03-22

You make Bard Man's head hurt...

4 By newbie 2008-03-22

ok your item seems very confusing to think but i slightly get your idea

my question
to your example you used swap image to viper and you are tinker then the result your viper and he is tinker and that means you become viper with viper's skills or you become viper but with tinkers skills

5 By proDevl1 2008-03-22

not that good

6 By gconsternation 2008-03-22

Huh?
I too also struggle to figure out how this could be useful.

7 By kornfleykz 2008-03-22

whoa! did i just past out?!?

i get it! lol! :P

its like replicate. but the catch is that you become your enemy and your enemy becomes you. Right? or am i dreaming now?

8 By burst1994 2008-03-22

i'm in struggle

9 By tiberiumlord 2008-03-22

wtf is with a manta style in the recipe? The effect your item gives is also a bit confusing. Also, for an item in such a high tier, the damage it gives is somewhat weak IMO. You probably would be better off at keeping the extra HP a little lower and the extra MP a little higher.

10 By Jayceja 2008-03-22

the stats and mana burn are all very good, but i dont see the point of swap image,

in most cases the only use of it would be so that you can swap with a dominating hero, and i think thats just stupid,

mirror image works much better in a majority of cases, and you get rid of it for this,

also this isnt very important but a huge flaw in your example, why would magina get this item?

11 By Shimrra_3 2008-03-22

Doesn't seem very useful to me...
Also Jayceja is right, flawed example.

12 By XemnasxxEternal! 2008-03-23

I will explain why this is useful. When you swap your images, you can kill your enemies allies and gaining XP without knowing what happened. You also get gold, too. And after 2 minutes, they will complain why he killed him/her. They would get confused but if the swapped enemy figures out how it works, he/she would do the same thing. And also, the swapped heroes' allies can also kill any of these two.

13 By XemnasxxEternal! 2008-03-23

I know it's confusing to use but it would be great if you can spy on what will they do.

14 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-23

gay alert
remove ability of clones to use spells

15 By Auradalv 2008-03-23

"When this is activated, the image frameworks of the
wielder and the enemy trade places to the other. All
units including towers consider the enemy as a threat"

So what? We er, run to the enemy fountain, and cast it on them heroes? Its too frickkin imba. IMHO.

16 By greatnoob^^:P 2008-03-23

uh..........my brain screwed up....

anyway...dis item skill much more useless then useful....2 illu more better den swap frame with....ur enemy??
for wat?
if it can swap with allies...hohoho dis item damn good

imagine......tinker swap with troll(allies)....then here come anti mage to kick ur a$$.....u noe wat happen rite?

by all means.....this item skill is USELESS

17 By KING-MANKIND 2008-03-23

I directly got how it works.

It's not that hard.

and I can see how it could be useful. but I think it should have a big cooldown.

I'll rate it 8/10

18 By Wii<R>venom 2008-03-23

Hmm... you say that when the swapped hero is killed then both will be killed. Do you mean the heroes that swapped will both be killed or the hero that killed the swapped hero will be killed? Either way, I don't like it, but just getting some clarification.

19 By Wii<R>venom 2008-03-23

Ok, being able to kill your enemy's allies while you look like their ally won't work. As soon as you swap with somebody, that person will message his allies to say that he's been swapped. Then it's over for you. Unless somehow, this item also disables messages for the person that it was used on.

20 By JeFf_ThE_mAOri 2008-03-23

Confusing

21 By maki_27 2008-03-23

can you used it when your in trouble. i mean if the enemy will gangbang you? use this and then you will be your ally and the swap hero is the one that will be gb. ryt?

22 By maki_27 2008-03-23

i mean you will be their ally.sory

23 By XemnasxxEternal! 2008-03-24

Yes, this can be an escape item. When you swapped with someone when your HP is critical, the kill is considered as ally kill.

24 By XemnasxxEternal! 2008-03-24

But you can only swap with enemy heroes.

25 By XemnasxxEternal! 2008-03-24

I will edit the Discussion why this item is useful. Wait for a while.

26 By Ghost 2008-03-30

overly complex.
i like it ^_^

27 By tzoglis 2008-04-01

swap with weaver->kill observers
swap with necrolic->kill his revenants
swap with lanaya-> destroy chotic traps
swap with techies-> OMFG

28 By Mage 2008-04-01

wow, you need a degree just to keep up with that.
sick idea man, its basically sunder on steroids.
love the idea of swapping heroes. just a quick question, what if the enemy hero you swapped with was silenced for 4 sec after the swap? that would definately add to confusion...

29 By Ghost 2008-04-02

i think this has been rated badly because people don't read. and or don't understand.

30 By D3STROYER 2008-04-02

I get it(i think) the idea is gud, spy on whats happening maybe kill some of the swapped heros allies. i like it but i agree people will rate this poorly as they do not understand it fully.

31 By goldnookie 2008-04-03

confusing... simplify please...

32 By Dashy_gazzz 2008-04-05

I seriously think the whole game will lag. REALLY LAG.

Question to clarify. What would be the effect if I (have the item) and i click on an illu hero e.g. Naga's? Will i change?

Is there any graphical effects when changed?

If this item came into play, ALL, i repeat, ALL strategies would need a make-over. Well, need to clarify more: EXP, GOLD (when a hero kill is made, goes to u or opponent), MAP REVEAL, ALLIES MESSAGING

33 By babagak666 2008-04-05

the skill of the original hero are the same?

34 By babagak666 2008-04-05

dis is the most complicated item eber...

35 By babagak666 2008-04-05

dis is the most complicated item eber...

36 By babagak666 2008-04-05

dis is the most complicated item eber...

37 By babagak666 2008-04-05

the skill of the original hero are the same?

38 By pauljulipa 2008-04-06

I really confusEd!! wAhh!!! 5/10

39 By frostknight 2008-04-06

aint it the same as nether swap?

40 By bau_HARRY 2008-04-06

i understand the concept, and i kinda like it, it is kinda like nether swap but instead of swapping positions, their kinda like swapping souls or sumthing like that... does skill and item change also, if it does then its soooooo freakishly imba...

41 By i_am_me 2008-04-07

good idea, i like it..

but if..

example tinker --> sentinel
viper --> scourge

if the tinker uses the skill and swaps with viper, can the enemy's allies see the fake tinker? (in minimap)

or can you see your real allies?

a little bit confused.. ^^

42 By i_am_me 2008-04-07

43 By peppo51 2008-04-07

this is original,, VERY original, but i should say it really confuses players, and an IMBA item.. well, ill give it a:

5/10

44 By hellbringer13 2008-04-08

x( x( x( my head hurts!T_T

45 By death_king2007 2008-04-09

this is imba
very original
an enemy hero goes to heal himself at the well of life
and then swap him
DAMN

46 By death_king2007 2008-04-09

peoples comments are making this idea more confusing
just post 2-3 comments explaining it again
and give many other examples and try to cover all the points

47 By xiiaoxiaoboii 2008-04-14

Really confusing idea. i do not recommend it. and seriously there is a huge flaw of example.

Good try anyway

48 By spycrypt 2008-04-16

is this just like nether swap??

49 By idiotproof 2008-04-16

VERY GOOD! I love the originality. But I think the cooldown needs to be increased, or make it so that only 1 can be on a team. You could make a recipe that costs 1 gold, but restocks ever 10hours or something stupid like that. I can see it being abused if one team uses more than one.

50 By kaylaaka 2008-04-17

to put it in a nutshell its like venge's nether swap but instead of location its body.

51 By no1missme 2008-04-20

Too strong n very fade

52 By aaronlxw 2008-04-21

too complicated but nice try...

53 By OnlyTheHeart 2008-04-22

umm... i dun get it
u swap with ur enemy so u ca kill ur allies?

54 By Bedlampje 2008-04-27

nice only its very expensive

55 By nicholasni 2008-04-28

Indeed very confusing and also very overpowered also very bad? can be used in both ways. i dought they will use this as an item but if they do... decrease the duration to 30sec and the cooldown to 120sec.

56 By daxisonlyme 2008-05-02

Do they mimic the skills also?

57 By avatryon 2008-06-26

good

58 By folechno 2008-07-16

I think you need to better explain how the switching works. Is it like Magina would then control Viper's hero and Viper can control Magina's hero's

"meaning the wielder's allied units and tower consider him as an enemy and the swapped enemy's allied units and towers consider him as an enemy"
so is everyone an enemy or is this a typo?

how would this work with streaks since a hero would die? would it be like aegis or something?

stats are a little underbalanced but I think the activated

59 By folechno 2008-07-16

ability might make up for that a little

also, the enemy hero would know thay have been switched right?

the attacking allies might be hard to implement, I think they might have to be in red hp to do that normally so it would be different

don't think chat should be switched, would just make the game more complicated and if you were lanning and the other team was talking then you could just yell to your friends "they're going to rosh now" or something like that

60 By folechno 2008-07-16

so this item definitely needs work. you need to explain clearly how the activated ability works and what all happens (the pic help but I'm still confused)

as it stands 4/10, explain the ability and that rating would go up

61 By edward_63426 2008-07-20

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Mimic

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