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View Item Idea > Hellflamer Hellflamer Created by Shelu on 2008-03-26 Rating: Viewed 6180 times Commented 61 times
	Price: 4307 gold Description: This item was crafted long time ago by the Light Gods, under the name of the Light Skull. Legends say that the Dark Gods have stolen it and took the Light Skull to Hell. eNow, this item was brought back from that dark and mad place, under th name of the Hellflamer. It gives the bearer the following attributes: +4 to all stats 20 damage 300 health points 10 strength Hell Burn ability(active): -an enemy unit will take 150 damage over 4 seconds. -an allied unit will heal 150 damage over 4 seconds. -both the enemy or the allied units will not be able to cast spells in those 4 seconds in which they are damaged/healed. Hell Burn costs 150 mana and has a 70 second cooldown. Hell Burn can pe upgraded up to three times, by buying the recipe: Level 1 - an enemy unit will take 150 damage over 4 seconds. -an allied unit will heal 150 damage over 4 seconds. -both the enemy or the allied units will not be able to cast spells in those 4 seconds in which they are damaged/healed. Level 2 - an enemy unit will take 200 damage over 5 seconds. -an allied unit will heal 200 damage over 5 seconds. -both the enemy or the allied units will not be able to cast spells in those 5 seconds in which they are damaged/healed. Level 3 - an enemy unit will take 250 damage over 5 seconds. -an allied unit will heal 250 damage over 5 seconds. -both the enemy or the allied units will not be able to cast spells in those 5 seconds in which they are damaged/healed. Note: Healing can be interrupted if the target is attacked. The enemy CAN be denied by his team mates while under the effect of Hell Burn. Requires: Ironwood Branch Broadsword Vitality Booster Belt of Giant Strenth Hellflamer Recipe Scroll

	Discussion: This item is a very usefull one but cannot be used by everyone, especially by newbies. For example, a newbie will see his team mate with low hp, and also the enemy has low hp. He will probably heal his ally, therefore he'll be silenced. If the newbie isn't fast, the enemy will escape. This item is very usefull especially on strength based heroes, because it gives them 300 hit points + another 190 hit points [from the 10 strength bonus], 20 damage + 4 from the 4 strength stat points + 10 from the strength points. Also, the Hell Burn abillity is a very hard one, because you have to know when to use it. I think that Lucifer is the most advantaged by this item, because of his ultimate. I mean you use Hell burn, then Doom, and the enemy is surely knocked down. Axe is a ver good bearer of this item too. . The intelligence heroes are not that keen on the Flaming Skull of Hell, but it would come handy on those with very very low hit points. Silencer is altough a good bearer of this item, because of his silence. This item is good against these heroes, because of their abilities: This item has a medium price and could come very very handy, especially in the medium games, or the late ones. I, personally don't think that it's a imba item, but i expect your comments. Thanks.
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1 By getatmedog 2008-03-26

I like it. Creative/Interesting idea.

2 By getatmedog 2008-03-26

Although, the 10 second silence is a little IMBA. Knock that down to 5 and have the damage take place over that period.

3 By rAuben 2008-03-26

It looks pretty nice.
Although, cd is maybe to long?

4 By KING-MANKIND 2008-03-26

shouldn't be used bu lucifer that's the first thing. second thing healing could not be interrupted. if so this item for me is just damn useless to get. 3rd thing silence should only take the first 4-5 seconds of the spell time.... original idea, so I won't give it the shittiest rating... I'll give 6/10.

5 By micahel009 2008-03-26

i don't get why this is an orb effect...
and for the ability thingy, do you have to target 2 units? is that possible?
the stats are minimal
and the effect is not that great
would rather go for an EoS any day

6 By Ghost 2008-03-26

so you take 1/4 of level 3 doom and throw it in an item then remove the ability to be denied.

thats just a tad over the top i think, for the cost it is a pretty sexy 10 second silence.

7 By XemnasxxEternal! 2008-03-26

So the Hell Burn damages an enemy and heals an allies over 10 seconds. And will not be able to cast for 10 Seconds. The heal and damage part..
Do you mean 200 Damage/Heal per sec or 200 Damage/Heal after 10 seconds?

I don't quite get it.. I give it a 5.5/10 rating.

8 By mance435 2008-03-26

Where is the orb effect? And for 4500 gold, the item is pretty imba because of the skill. 10 second silence, 400 damage/heal. That is basically Doom.

9 By sin_slayer91 2008-03-26

What is the ORB EFFECT????

10 By Shimrra_3 2008-03-27

This item is an orb effect. And that orb effect is...?

Theres no orb effect on here! What is the meaning of this?! I agree that the silence should be lowered, therefore reduce the duration of the whole thing.

11 By DrifterZ 2008-03-27

No Orb Effect Seen here...

Rating after I see it.

12 By popcorn_slayer 2008-03-27

wtf 10 sec silence??? IMBA!

13 By numbers123456 2008-03-27

"Hell Burn" to heal people ? - LOL
What is this orb effect you speak of? - LOL

14 By Turtles Run 2008-03-28

imba

15 By SteadFast 2008-03-28

First you need to list an orb effect, (like unit takes fire dmg every couple hits or something).

Next reduce the silence time to 4-5 seconds like everyone else is saying.

Other than that its a pretty cool item.

16 By Shinoda!LP 2008-03-28

it's like dooom!i like it!but it's to cheap for 10 sec silence and 200dmg

17 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-03-28

oh god

18 By JeFf_ThE_mAOri 2008-03-29

there is lots of reading in this item.. ...

stil a cool item thou..

19 By betelgeuse 2008-03-29

hell burn is just a nerfed doom, so there's nothing original in it.

and i think hell will never help to heal ha

but i like doom to be on item. it's good actually

20 By Wii<R>venom 2008-03-29

It's on the lower end of "OK" for me - 200dmg/heal over 10 secs isn't something I'd wanna brag about. The silence is a bit imba - 10 seconds is long and also you might end up silencing an ally who needs to use a skill (even if he's on low HP). A few other points:
- Orb effect??? What is it?
- What items are used for this recipe? (I'm just assuming that it's not a stand-alone item)

21 By Shadowinks 2008-03-29

I like this idea, although it does seem a little IMBA, particularly 10 second silence

22 By Shelu 2008-03-30

Well, it was once a Light item, read the history... and it still has light properties, that heal... so, there's an explanation... hmm... i will change the silence to 4-5 seconds, and the damage too.
Also, you're right! It ain't an orb effect.. my bad ! i'll change that as soon as I can.. cos right now it gives me an error when i edit it.. thanks for the ratings!

23 By The Ronin 2008-03-30

ironwood brunch what will you do this ironwood brunch. be careful not burn your brunch

24 By Razor_kreig 2008-04-01

Ill give this item to my enemy if I hate my Allies so I could deny them!!!

25 By IMANERD 2008-04-02

level one allies heal 1500 a second?

26 By goldnookie 2008-04-03

I like the idea... pretty interesting... 5 second silence? pretty cool... not bad... 9/10...

27 By tiberiumlord 2008-04-03

Ooooh that's a lovely long silence. Yet, I'd think that this item would look better with either no ironwood branch or a little more of a stat boost. However, what I never really like was x damage over y seconds/x healing over y seconds

28 By [WPA]-lescanooo 2008-04-04

G
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D

29 By Dashy_gazzz 2008-04-05

Creative item. Please change ur level 1 hell burn on healing allies for 1500 dmg over 4 secs. Should be 150 and not dmg -> hit points

30 By Shelu 2008-04-05

At LEVEL 1 of HELL BURN, it's not 1500, it's just a typing mistake! :))... it's 150, like the damage taken.!!! IT's 150:P thanks for the comments
!

31 By dota_king_dk07 2008-04-05

COOL!!!

32 By bug 2008-04-05

wow, weird name and too cheap,

33 By choyboy 2008-04-05

on lvl 1 " " it said
-an allied unit will heal 1500 damage over 4 seconds.

34 By pauljulipa 2008-04-06

hahaha I imagine that it is look like dagon! go change it to 5 and getatmedog is right.. so 4/10

35 By poisonous04 2008-04-06

it is indeed a nice idea
maybe the 2nd or the 3rd upgrade should let allies cast spells while being healed, i dunno; but i like the idea, because all ingredients have a part in the final item
good job

36 By kang1 2008-04-06

5secs of silence is kinda too long for such a cheap item..i think 2,3,4 sec will do..cooldown 50-60?..pls no orb effect..ill agree wif KING MANKIND..kinda useless if u wanna safe a escaping teammate from dying.

37 By Ragenike 2008-04-07

Eye of Skadi Fire hahahahaha
Ill give u a nice rating for this

38 By Ragenike 2008-04-07

yayy no orb effect
really like skadi but skadis much better

even just a passive effect dang no mo this item ----- me -----

39 By -bAgZ- 2008-04-09

the hel burn skill is somewhat similar to Lucifer's Doom,but still great item.10/10.

40 By Matty_2010 2008-04-10

heals 1500 life over 4 seconds.... uhm ya u should really fix that typo and as many have said bfor what orb effect?

41 By burst1994 2008-04-11

emm...this item....ahh...wat i should say
ok...say like this....they recipe item is abit complicated.......@.@

42 By Sco0obY 2008-04-16

OUUUCH!! 1250 damage what the HELL man. Very original man .For that I'll give you a 10/10

43 By xxscrimagexx 2008-04-16

Whoa not a bad item. The CD is think should be a bit longer. somewhere 90-120. But if CD is incerased the dmg over time should also. 150 over 4 sec or 250 over 4 sec? kinda too lol. Maybe increase each by 100 since it's 4 sec burn. BUT NICE IDEA!

44 By circuscommando 2008-04-16

name just sounds waaaayyy overhyped, like a fifth grader made it. As far as I see, it looks moderately fair, save for what a few other people said about 'hell burn', but the name is a real turnoff for it.

45 By idiotproof 2008-04-16

Healing shouldn't be interrupted, cooldown should be reduced to 40-50 seconds.

46 By -=kahitano=- 2008-04-25

yahoo!!!!

47 By nicholasni 2008-04-28

This is a bit funny xD becuz in forexample a 5man game where you start with about 700g (not sure xD) it takes about till lvl 8-14 to get this much money. i think
at that lvl 10str and 20dmg isnt so much. neither is 150hp (the heal).
I would rather buy a tree instead of the heal. but the only thing that makes this good is the silence.

48 By painxd 2008-05-04

wow lvl 1500 heal to allies

49 By painxd 2008-05-04

wow lvl 1 1500 heal to allies

50 By parimado 2008-05-11

LOL TYPO ally will heal 1500 over 4 secs

51 By dota_amateur 2008-05-14

the heal can be interupted makes it nearly nothing and why silence on your allies as well

52 By McPene 2008-05-19

it's top much. think about int hereos who have 1500 hp at lvl 17 18. the 600 dmg would be deadly.
think also that it cost lees than dagon lvl 3 and it does the same dmg.

53 By viperstar 2008-05-22

At first glance i thought this was exactly like skadi but fire then i read it and it is very creative GJ

54 By Straith 2008-06-29

i agree with getatmedog it is creative and its kinda worth it

55 By Ap0kalyps3 2008-07-01

i hope you mean that on Level 1 an
allied unit will heal 150(not 1500) damage over 4 seconds. ^^
Add an orb effect and it will be good

56 By herculeandota 2008-07-09

this item is far to imba. It is impossible to deny unless it is in late game. i mean look at shadow strike or doom it is deniable but is tiny dmg over a long time. In early game and mid game how are you going to deny a allie that still has say 200 hp and is under the effect? only in late game when your dmg exceeds 250 is it possible to even attempt at denying them. its like an instant kill actually.at max upgrade its 750 dmg included magic resist. if you rush mid game = Godlike before late.

57 By folechno 2008-07-16

that recipe is too expensive 1755, no one will even consider upgrading it so you will need to change the recipe or the effect

random mishmash of items, creative but more like wtf???

should make the stat gains change per level like dagon (in addition to changing the effect)

silencing your ally is generally a bad idea and will piss them off-> bad teamwork, change that

some good flavor and the effect shows this (the light remants is cool imo, although kinda sticks out)

58 By folechno 2008-07-16

like I said, you need to increase the effects more at higher levels, mainly dmg, the time is long enough, almost too long, you might want to shorten or make it 3/4/5

do you have to target both heroes or does it randomly affect 1 unit from each side in the area?

can it affect the wielder? (would affect nortroms dps from glaives)

lol 1500 heal at lvl 1, wouldn't upgrade it ever (you need to correct it, said you would, but hasn't happened yet)

59 By folechno 2008-07-16

needs to be balanced and maybe change the base items/stats for some consistency with the flavor

6/10 now

60 By Kl4ddes 2008-07-19

OPOPOPOPO

61 By edward_63426 2008-07-20

not expensive

cool

Hellflamer

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