Leoric Versus the World by Shimrra_3

2:30am, just got home.. Will collapse now.. Yes, I'm making the first posts on all new guides my personal blog.

NICE

Cool strat Shimrra_3
Again ^^
I have rated it 10
Keep up the good work

Awesome guide, provides insight into a different way to play Leoric than how i play him and overall very nice

a tried and tested build, 10/10

Good guide 10/10.

Dont think you need battlefury.You had better have a Radiance.The best orb for him deso I think.You dont need satanic.

Not Bad.

both the lifsteal and crits are crap early , stats are just soooooo much better. goes for most stun heroes(sven, venge). well, usaid ur opinion on that, which i dissagree with, but that doesnt matter. also consider armlet as core item, it is so imba, esp on leoric and such. also i have seen a deso made by sk.tompa, and he probably knows what he is doing. he also had an armlet... for damage sponge build, i would recommend travels, u need to be in a battle to spong the damage, even though treads

wooaaahhh, so long! but overall, 9.7/10.. well done!

give srtenghts.also butterfly gives lots of EHP, so thats a damage sponge item. shiva is a very good choice too, aura, mana, slow, armor. u cant rly be a tank without armor(or mana for rez). also could suggest massing bracers. i dont think getting treads as first item is a very good idea btw, better to get bfury IMO. not critisizing, just giving my opinion. awesome guide(apart from what i mentioned, which wasnt a lot(i think)

very nice guide. Battlefury is perfect for leoric mana prob is almost fixed and hp regn early is imba. then cleave and damage is good 2. skadi is good 2 mana prob fixed a little armor and attack from agility is good nice guide:).

love the strat ;P
not my item build at all, i go threads, armlet, BKB if needed and deso, and bottle if i feel like ganking a bit, but i know that yours can be pretty effective aswell.

btw, radiance was only popular in 6.48b, now it's armlet and BKB which are the most popular items.
and i cant understand that you have never seen a leoric with deso, as it is the clearly most popular orb in league games for him.

Good strat, AWFUL items. I dont care what you say about Skadi, ITS AWFUL. WHY battlefury?????? You need mana? GET A FUCKING ARCANE RING! YOU NEVER (FUCKING NEVER) run out of mana. Spam spam spam spam spam spam stun and if you gunna die who cares you got nuf mana for a rez. Also build him as a tank, not a killer. I usually get satanic for MAD LIFESTEAL and then a HEART. Hyperstone are good too, no need for AC. Crit strike and LOTS OF STR STATS is enough for DPS through the ENTIRE game....

I'm not convinced by skadi.. not at all.
I think heart is better, then hyperstone, divine/another battlefury.

However I really like the guide itself. Nice effort as alwayz.. 8/10

no Skadi .. for mana I start with Arcane ring and for hp HoT.
also the orb of slow may be good , but I would make desolator or S&Y or even satanic.

wow... i love how people lie about the actual rating they put on...

i seriously believe this is a 10/10 guide... try it, it works.

Deso Leoric is FAIL btw if you cant catch up to the enemy. ive owned Deso Leoric builds multiple times with ranged heroes like Drow and Sniper. They stun me, catch up, hit me 1-2 times, i back and own them from afar cause they cant hit me enough to kill me. them hitting me 1-2 times every 8 seconds = fail.

Radiance isnt a bad item but for SK, Battlefury is..

better. you need that regen and damage, while the splash allow you to push and deal AoE damage. also, arcane ring fails cause the cooldown of that is around 30 seconds while your stun has an 8 second cooldown. and 1 use of arcane doesnt even give you 140 mana. so no, arcane ring is horrible on him if you want to use ur stun often. regen is a much better alternative.

Skadi is the best orb in the game, especially if you ALREADY HAVE LIFESTEAL that's not an orb. Leoric needs a slow cause...

his 2 second stun doesnt suffice. any ranged hero with a slow or stun can own you by attacking you then backing if you dont have a slow. with a slow they cant back and you can keep hitting them.

armlet is a good item on him, hence it being optional. S&Y is expensive and the only decent thing is the movespeed bonuses and the maim. but the maim is unreliable while skadis always works. Skadi may be more expensive but it is waaaaaay better than S&Y. and Skadi gives 25 to ALL stats.

shivas is..

nice but the excess int is really not worth it. AC is a better choice.

Getting a EoS eliminates the need for items like Arcane, S&Y, Shivas, and BoT. EoS + Treads is cheaper than getting something like Arcane, S&Y, and BoT so EoS is the way to go.

Battlfury is better than Radiance for some heroes btw, especially ones without any AoE skills or those who have crits. and it's also useful on heroes who need regen and damage for cheap and in little pieces.

hope this cleared stuff up for some

GOD this is epic !

Really, GJ !

Like Erik200 said

Great layout and a very good explanation and justification of everything. I will give the guide itself a 10 - even and 11 because you have video.

However, The builds you use (both skill and Item) seem to miss some of the point of the SK.

I love playing the SK and I usually do pretty well with him (maybe not on kills, but at least my K/D ratio is always positive). You seem to miss the point that he is not so much a killer as a PURE tank... a support hero. My build is in the next post

I prefer Crits AND Lifesteal with only 1 point in Hellfire Blast early game. Why? Well, tell me it's not funny seeing a half HP hero die from a 300 hp crit that would normally scratch late game heroes

My build:

BoT - for run speed and tele... you need to be able to move quickly because your stun is short and you WILL have to chase sometimes

Armlet of Mort. - Cheap, and give IAS (more life steal, more crit, more damage) and more life. The life steal counters the cost.

Assault Curiass - Good for both you and your teammates - which you should be supporting. IAS = more life and more crit.

Vlad's - Cheap Item that allows more Hellfires and rez protection. As you said the Vamp effects stack

Simply.. great. Good layout, great writing style, (LOVE the ironic parts), a lot (!) of Hero&Item pictures.. must've been a lot of work :D

Also very detailed, clear, thourough and logic. 10/10.
Another very good guide from Shim!

After that I would say get your DPS items or a basher or what have you.

You also didn't talk about how well this hero jungles. Life Steal + Crit help alot.
Lvl 1 Hellfire has the same stun as lvl 4 and the dmg is small - I wait to max it at the end - get 1st at lvl 1

You guide is really really good and as long as you have fun with him and do well with this build I would say continue to do so. It just isn't the way I and many others play him. But thats why the SK is badass he's very flexible

/bow

All I can say.

Shim, i have to say, That was the most enjoyable read of a guide so far.
time to go play some LEORIC!

10/10 for everything.
Amazing

Ok just read all the comments,
now to flame you mo fuckers


@Bim Are you stupid, the cost is around 1700 for arcane ring, with that you can get a pers which can turn into a b fury. ARCANE RING becomes ineffective late game, it increases your mana pool and gives you like 120 mana... thats crap. id rather have hp/mana regen than arcane.
ALL IN ALL ARCANE IS A WASTE OF MONEY.

@Evernight57 i really hope you get shot and custom kicked from any game you try to play leoric. Dont suggest stupid....

items like basher if you just going to flame Shim, He has been playing a long time, and has spend hours trying and perfecting this guide. I think you should go try it before suggesting more ghey items.
TY

good guide, armor fits better than bfury IMO

Pretty nice havnt read yet all but overall its extremly informative and anyway I like that idea to play Leoric...gonna test it soon

Well done 10/10 is the least I can give

good guide, armor fits better than bfury IMO

@ dohyunn-deso isnt a fail, it is the most poular orb for him in high level games. why? because if u have a good team, blast doesnt have to be your only disable/slow/w/e, ur team will do it for u. u dont even have to fight much, just get the fire onto u. deso lets u do that, so does raidance. no1 wants someone to reduce their armor, or deal that annoyin 35 dps

good start....just dont like the item build...i would go for max life steal

Tread
Satanic
hyperstone
Vlads
finish Assault C

mainly done...........

A good strat for inexperienced players and a fine build. But I must say that Armlet is almost shaped to be a core for Leoric. Everything helps him and it makes him almost impossible to kill, both due to the fact that he gets IAS, dmg, and hp, but also that u can reactivate it when at low hp so u instantly get 475 hp, which is very helpful if ure being chased. I go for same build as erik200, armlet and bkb, but those items require some timing they are not that newbie friendly, so ur build is good

Sweet ass guide! Great job Shim!

Bim has been warned. Really irritating he is..

I think this guide is very well organized and I think it deserves a full rating. Which I wll certainly give.

@Loco Roco

well yeah if you have an ally who happens to have a disable Deso would be good lol. but im saying in most 1v1 situations, a Deso doesnt help as much. A slow is always valuable in team games. Deso is better on heroes who are pure killers.

Also, EoS is better for survival cause it gives you more attack speed, armor, hp, hp regen, mana, mp regen, and it also gives you a decent amount of damage. And the slow reduces the opponent's attack and move speed, reducing their ability to..

Sweet guide, love the build. "Fury" build is pretty lol. Unstoppable regen. Though how often have you seen Rad on this guy? I have never seen it before.

fight.

Here's a situation:

if you were 1v1 Mortred, what item would be better? Deso or EoS? EoS makes you harder to kill while making Mortred less likely to proc crits and escape/chase. All Deso does is allow you to kill her faster though she has a greater chance of killing you than if you had an Eye of Skadi. And EoS gives you mana to spam and be able to always use Rez. But lets say she was losing to your Deso so she daggers you and runs. so you stun her but you are slowed by so much...

that by the time you reach her she is out of the stun and just runs away. You lost a kill cause you had no other way of stopping or slowing her. But if you had Skadi, she wouldve been slowed too so the difference of movespeeds would be minimal, allowing you to chase her AND have plenty of mana to spam your stun whenever possible.

I find a slow more valuable than being able to kill someone faster by like 5 seconds. And if you are running, a slow can save your life while armor reduction cant.

great guide, i agree i always do the same item build!!! also not so many furies, maybe cuirass will help

I'm really surprised you didn't have Armlet listed as a CORE item for SnK. @_@;; I thought that item was... MADE for SnK or something. Really cheap, +AS, +Damage, +Str... and yeah, like you said, he's not really gonna feel the HP degen.

BKB is not as dangerous for your team as you make it out to me. You'll be in the front anyway in team fight, like you should be, right? ^_^ So if you activate BKB and run in... what are they going to do, rush past you to get at your softer allies? ...

... This level of coordination is very rare in public games. x_x; Not only that, but you're disregarding SnK's fantastic DPS. x_x;; Nine seconds of non-stop hitting from SnK will put a dent in anybody's HP. And since you get Bfury (I personally don't, but I get why you do), you'll be putting a dent in EVERYBODY's HP. ^u^

I'm also going to have to add that Stun+Stats, at LEAST until level 5 (I get it all the way until 10) is really great. A truly spammable nuke, and more MP for regen! ...

... I think it's also worth noting SnK's great initial damage. At level 1, if you get into an autoattacking war with another hero, you'll probably win.

... OK I have to go to school now, so I'll add more later.

/thank Amp.

I think there should also be a Butterfly in Sponge Build..

!!! NO 5 star yet!?!?!

cmon everyone out there, you know this is a 5 star guide. YOU KNOW IT IS!!!

I'm sure dohyun's thing about lying about the rating was true.

@Ganksta Super lifestealing evading reincarnating skeleton king

Back to the guide: I need you to refute a option of getting a refresher to refresh reincarnation. It sounds ridiculous I know, but that is an interesting try at him I've seen.

tiberium: Refresher FTW!!! Lol, i once saw a guy getting it, but he got it like for first item after boots, so he didnt really do anything but die, rez, refresh, no mana for rez and then he died AND ofc he left the game trolling about refresh manacost. Was hilarious :D

sentences on rows and some images exceeds the border of "early game" and "conclusion" section.

the hellfire blast gif is great. is that flash? i got confused when i'm trying to look how leoric appeared at "end of casting animation". warlock's projectile is also red, same color to hellfire's. one simple gif but teaches alot.

"go into single player mode, pick Leoric, and use Hellfire on the first creep you see. Test what happens as much as you want"
that's the way to teach beginners.

i like the "sacrifice" part. kinda noble and dramatic. :sniff:

your match with this AM is pretty controversial:
you send message to your allies: "OMG" "OMG WHY ANTIMAGE"
then later you harass him, and with his stupidity you managed to kill him??? wtf!

after "table of contents for middle game", i see the subheadings again with lots of "To be explained." ...hmm, huh?

i wouldn't say no to radiance. but probably it's appropiate to say battle fury is noob-friendly.

BoT and treads is ok? why? they don't stack!

EoS seems ok. i think you haven't mention the advantage of skadi on melee's. the slow lasts for 3 seconds (range is 2).

i've been waiting for this guide since july. overall, your work here is awesome ...almost. border problems and some item-skill build issue (well based on lots of comments) are still need to be answered. but i'm not gonna wait for your update, will rate now. thanks to your guide!
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SHIM'S BACK!

Glad that most of you like this guide, I see one person with issues (mental ones) and a bunch of people who question the item build, which is fine because I made it that way.

@ ganksta = evernight gave me a 10, you don't need to defend me from him (although I thank you for attacking the other guy of course).

@ quale = the Treads-BoT thing I said was that you could keep the Treads just for the attack speed after getting BoT.

@ tiberiumlord = Refresher, must deal with that. Thanks

Armlet love, cont'd.
Another great thing about the armlet is that one of the items it requires is "Helm of Iron Will" -- which gives pretty good HP regen, armour, and I use it as a replacement for HP regen items. If you get Vampiric Aura early, you should have no problems with just that item. I DON'T get Vampiric Aura until past level 16 and I still have no problems with HP.

It gives insanely good stats for its price.

Finally, the last thing I would like to add is that you didn't mention ...

...is his sheer versatility. This build makes him a great late gamer, but I personally like to make use of his great base attack and wonderful targeted stun to make him a powerhouse in mid game. I noticed some other people in the comments also mentioned treads-armlet-BKB. In fact, I think this build has been mentioned so often that maybe it's worth a note? x_x;;

Or perhaps not, because it would mean that you need to add a whole different stuff about how you should be playing him, never mind.

your guide is supppperb, very well explained and very neat, a new way to play leoric, gotta try the furies build =3

BTW sir, what are you supposed to do with heroes with linkens? 20sec cd to block your HellFireBlast? interval of 12secs alone is a major tsk tsk >.<

"Reincarnation is not blocked by Silence."

Finally, I'm really a bit bewildered by your choice in SKADI. Yes, yes, it slows, it gives HP, it gives damage, etc. But why do you even need the slow? Since you're going multi-Battlefury, I'm assuming your build is geared towards late game and big team fights where the cleave comes into play. Keeping one guy slowed in a team battle less useful than going pure damage and whacking the hell out of everyone, IMO >_

... and if you're going to be a ganking Leoric, the Skadi is an awfully expensive items just for that slow and doesn't give you much DPS. @_@; I don't see how it's useful unless you've farmed like hell for it, and started ganking much later on. (By that time people would be pushing?!)

Anyway although this is really, really different from how I play SnK, it's still a nice guide and really newbie friendly! He's one of my favourite heroes, so thanks! 10/10 ^___^

awoot finally shim ive waited for this guide but i still hate you !! your mean. but @ topic very good guide screenies awesome. but i really want a video or a replay ok? AWESOME GUIDE BUT I STILL HATE U!

NS or Lycan as permabash? Just noticed, but only seen it happen once with me seeing Lycan gone permabashing. I also want to see what you would say about vanguarding this guy.

this would have been so useful about 5 weeks ago.

i used to got a boot, then rush battle fury, get PT, gt vlads, get butterfly, sell PT and get BoT, get HoT.




and yess, it can be done cos ive done it, it just takes abut 50 mins and mass farming

This guy is good, he has given me all of the suggestions that I intend to actually implicate...
Vanguard, yes. I did that ONCE, and it completely saved my ass since I was getting eaten by summons. Deserves some kind of note.

is HOD good on SK

your guide is supppperb, very well explained and very neat, a new way to play leoric, gotta try the furies build =3

BTW sir, what are you supposed to do with heroes with linkens? 20sec cd to block your HellFireBlast? interval of 12secs alone is a major tsk tsk >.<

"Reincrntion is not blocked by Silence." .

"Reincrntion is not blocked by Silence." .< part 2

(mod wats happening?! the 500 characters does not work for me and the ending part of my comments are gone again)

i tried a weird build, Refresh+ManaRing = Rez again =3 (works like wonders)

-dunno wat happen to my first post, some parts seems to have been deleted >.< part 2

(mod wats happening?! the 500 characters does not work for me and the ending part of my comments are gone again)

hmm... you said hellfire was spammable. But then in the end, you showed us that it should not be misused. Your alternate skill build is the way to go. Stats included. I dont usually max out hellfire blast until later though. Because whats most important to me is the duration of the stun. Which is a constant 2 seconds throughout. I usually mix stats up with crit and aura. Skadi's not a bad choice. Though i've never tried it before. It would make sense though.

A little tip on hellfire blast:
I don't know how many of you experienced this before, but any unit can dodge hellfire blast so long as they walk into the fog as you're casting your stun. This is annoying when you're chasing down people. Because if your stun isn't successful (that means that they disappeared into the fog), your would have actually wasted time just standing still while they run off. So try your best not to cast hellfire blast when you're going to fully maximise hellfire's range.

@rllian

it is spammable!
it has a 8 second cd!
But he means dont misuse it like if ur running and you have 150 mana left. dont cast it. u need mana for res!

hmm..I was going to say another battlefury leoric...until I saw the skadi up there..anyway long story short, disagree with furies but skadi is a good choice..
7/10

rofl at skadi

4 battle furies? too expensive... i thought of getting assault curiass

technical support team says screw you the build works.
personally i get BoT.
and SAY NO TO ARCANE RING
do we need Thread logic on this?
It is a mediocre item which provides a pathetic amount of armor and mana, then allows for the regeneration of (essentially) 110 mana every 33 seconds, which is roughly 200 mana a minute, great.
it costs alot more than it should and will set back your build.
THE MANA IS NOT WORTH IT.
by getting Pers you gain damage HP regen and Mana regen a plenty.
therefore....

pers > arcane.

i hope this cleared something up.

as for skadi.
it lets you chase, it gives you mana it gives you armor it gives you attack speed it gives you a 30% slow which allows for chasing while taking from all that extra HEALTH AND MANA we have been talking about.
oh and it gives a small damage boost, if you factor in the IAS from the agility, the damage is greater than that of a heart, you get roughly the same HP and you get a slow.

WIN

Well waiting for shim to finish on B.Net I've decided to read his guide.

First of all, to all the people dissing the item guide, stfu. Read the first part of the strat which says that this is a GUIDE. Not HOW TO PLAY.

Skill Build:
I agree with not getting stats first, even though the extra mana can be very handy, you need to be able to stay in your lane for about 10 minutes, hence the lifesteal is more important. Also agree with lifesteal>crit, so no probs there......

Item Build: Well you cant really have a bad item build with SK as you said, he can get almost any item and still do good, however there are certain items which make him unbeatable. Battle Fury as first item I agree with. In order to farm enough to get the items, you're going to need it fast. The one thing I'll point out to people who are bitching about Stacking Battle Furies is that it does work. The Cleave Damage completely ignores armour, so......

If you have 80% cleave, and are doing roughly 250 damage per attack, if you attack a creep, 80% of 250, which is 200 (I think, if not gimme a break, Its hols). This will be done purely to anything in the cleave range, including heroes. If a hero runs at you with his creeps, and you have a lot of cleave, attack his creeps first so he takes the cleave as most of the time it will be more damage than if you attacked him directly. Note, I'm mainly talking about tanks here

As for the guide, very well done as always. Not as many screenshots as with the Techies and Brood guides, but as you say, theres not much screenies can show for leoric.

Easily a 10/10 from me, not many things I can pick on.

very nice!!

I've tried your item build and it works great, noob frindly and thats whats guides are made for. I just find my build better for me ;P

Threads, bracers if you want, armlet, BKB then deso.

Shim, since you said that you've never seen deso on leoric, try it! promise you it works great, although its a bit different then you seem to play him.

But my build is a pure killer build, not a tank build, chase build or farm build ;P
lane with a supporter like warlock or something, and you can farm pretty good.
if you cant seem to farm enough, Midas works great. clear alot of neutral camps for the money too.

what could you expect from shimrra..great guide of course. all your guides are great, hope you make more. =]

4th strat...DOMINATING!

another nice strat Shim, I haven't tried it yet, but now it's Leo time! So, what's next on your strat list? I would like if you made strats fore some more...skill usage heroes(I DON'T say Leo requires no skill). Like Techies.
Hm, I have a bit different skill build than yours, but this one seems better, so I'll try it ASAP. Guide is very good, I would just like to know in what program did you make the gif?
10/10 ofc btw

Thats a killer guide, cant wait to try it.

trial exam over wohooo!!
kay there's so many things i really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really want to hit

battlefury-i have to say this works since you do need the regen badly, but stacking 3-4 is of course, irrelevant, as there is not so many people would actually twin-stick together

skadi-this gives me the creep. seriously SnY does it btter if you arent taking lifesteal as orb. skadi gives more hp yes but think of SnY as SnY+vanguard though you dont need vanguard

black king bar isnt really useful on him, perhaps at least for me

caster items isnt bad, especially GSV. i get gsv on TB as

4th item, it works wonders

i am bored of stats-vampiric

i am here simply to irritate you and then say 10/10 but i guess we got folechno for that

9/10

ah yes, i has no more computers, as from now on, due to the fact i have 3 weeks more to live

ah yes, i has no more computers, as from now on, due to the fact i have 3 weeks more to live

very good guide. i really liked battlefuries build. 10/10

I don't like item build

prefer
Radiance
HoT
BoT
AC

this is a very very very very very very very very very good guide
altough I`m not a fan of BF, you got strong points and I apreciate that
10/10 for covering EVERYTHING and not making this guide general at all
Thumbs Up

nice guide men.
thumbs up!

tried ur guide in a 4v1 game
guess what they all quit..(oh crap...)
well what happened is that my enemies are:
clinks,troll,QP,(can't remember..)
when my allies quit,i have a fury and a vlad+boots
then my allies have fury for themselves
which is equal to 3
then when i used it,WHACK
1000k+ is the crit +the cleaving
then SLOW?
OMG GG
NICE GUIDE TRIED AND TESTED 10/10=5 STARS

i suggest u must try armlet on leoric ^^

Nice guide overall (i skipped alot of it though since im lazy ) although i still don't agree with the skadi... well im going to log on the bnet now and hope your on
10/10

nice guide!

Lol, nice guide 10/10 from me (:
But i have a few comments though.
Your guide is a tanker leoric right? So if that were the case, vanguard would be rather essential as a row of the frontline hero. Massing Battle furies would make you more of a farmer hero, so i wouldn't agree with skadi as that last item, hyperstone would be much better. Oh yes and one more thing, offering would be rather important, yes i noe it is under Optionals, but i tried offering to my Leoric build and boy was it good.

A really newb-friendly and detailed guide. i prefer bolt stat at early games tho.

9.5/10 -> 10/10

Sorry for the double post but in any case if you were to play lifesteal build, i would recommend you getting a hyperstone at least. That means more lifestealing. bkb would be good if there are imba spells on the other side only, if not i'd rather you rush your assault.
Oh yes and one more thing, if you were to be tanking, wads the point of getting skadi? Leave those items to other dpsing heroes and if you were to get skadi, radiance's immolation would be rather helpful.

Meh no comments about your battle fury though, its gotten with most heroes with the Crit ability...heh anyway i just realised i said a whole load of crap o.0 and oh ya one more thing, Skadi should be the last item to be gotten if you were to be tanking. Skeleton King serves best as the role of a tanker..hahas anyway nice guide (:

Oh yes and sorry for the quad post, but to make myself clear, dun flame at me if i have offended your guide or did not follow the rules in any way =X

TESTED
SUCCESS
a total success
99999999999 thumbs up
this is pure GOLD
after I finished skadi, chasingwas like... OMG
managed to get Treads 2 BFs skadi 2 brasers in the end

damn that strat is pretty nice
no, not pretty nice
its massive!!
i liked to read it (yes i read everything^^)
i agree with the skadi and the battlefuries
and, i tried leo with manta, the additional mana at the beginning kinda helped me twice to get my rez rdy :P
and they all cried in the end because of 3 leorics with massive critical strike :D
but early-mid game was hard so i farmed :P
i saw leoric with desolator once, he farmed the whole game then pwned everyonewith 1 crit
btw where r u from?:)

Everything is great

EXCEPT :

I don't really like mass battlefuries or even 1 of them. Yeah, it makes you a creep killing monster, but what are creeps? XD
That's my opinion though, if you pwn with that build then go with it. XD

I'd still prefer Radiance though, doesn't help as much as battlefury in creeps, but completely compensates your tanking ability in clashes.
So my conclusion is :

Battle Fury
Creeps > Heroes

Radiance
Heroes > Creeps

Good job on the great guide again!

@ rdnm = I'm shocked someone actually went and tested that. Cheers. I am from Australia... and you just reminded me that I need to put in that info on my guides so I don't get asked every single time lol.


Note to all: international site, we all have different preferences, and we play in a variety of regions. Therefore, the 'I've never seen' or 'I always see' quotes are TOTALLY MEANINGLESS - it varies. Same goes for pub games against league games for that matter.

actually, I said I`ve tested your build :D
maybe it was my lucky day, but I totally owned

i actually didnt test it after reading your guide but before^^
im just as freaky as it sounds im trying every single itembuild :) some of them truly own, like spec with manta and pudge with lothars or dagon :P

your worst enemy could be someone whos is a disabler and has manta style like Naga Siren.How do you counter people like this?Manta style totally burns off your mana to rez.

your worst enemy could be someone whos is a disabler and has manta style like Naga Siren.How do you counter people like this?Manta style totally burns off your mana to rez.

your worst enemy could be someone whos is a disabler and has manta style like Naga Siren.How do you counter people like this?Manta style totally burns off your mana to rez.

I have a lot of problems with your skill and item build. First of all, Vampiric early will push your lane. Secondarily, you will steal around 10-15 hp early game. Biggest problem however, is that in order to make most of lifesteal you need to autoattack (very bad idea) or wack enemy hero, which doesn't increase your lane staying, and you won't steal a lot of hp because of your pathetic damage. Having stats instead will help you with your pathetic mana pool.
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Stats or even crit are a lot better early than vamp aura (crit will help with last-hitting, although not a lot).
In bigger fights, no one sane will start disabling and attacking Leoric. That's just stupid. He has a lot of hp on his own, so even without rez he wouldn't be primary target. With it, Leo getting focused happens only in pubs. Why waste mana and cooldown when on Leo when enemy carry (a lot softer than Leoric) is raping your entire team
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- item build not competitive at all.

- you cant make a leoric guide without even trying Armlet of Mordiggian on him.

- desolator is not ridicule (l've seen some MYM replays with sk + desolator).

4/10

On to the item build
First of all, Armlet is amazing on SK. It gives you huge damage burst, lifesteal will deal with degen and a good chunk of bonus hp to help towerdiving. It's incredible cheap, so you can finish it fast and with Bottle (which you don't mention at all!) you can go around and gank people non stop.
Battlefury is an item that i'm not a big fan off, although it does work on Leoric. It's just that, Armlet is a lot more efficient damage item that also gives you tanking capabilities

You also don't mention Bottle, which is great on Skeleton King. Bottle covers most of your mana needs if you use Hellfire wisely. Generally, I use Bolt twice during gank, so Bottle pretty much covers your mana needs. Armlet + Bottle is a lot cheaper than BFury and will give you bigger benefits. Leo shouldn't spend his entire game farming for Battlefuries. While his late game is good, he isn't exactly Terrorblade and he can't farm for 40 mins and then come out instoppable
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2 Furies cost a lot of gold, and then you suggest Skadi on top of that. You have to farm a lot to get that. Armlet +
Deso + Bottle is cheaper, will give you a lot better DPS (-6 armor orb + 25%IAS +125 damage compared to 130 damage) and will make you a lot more powerful earlier.
Leoric only needs 2xBracer + Bottle + Boots to start ganking. Armlet + Crits will cut through other heroes very fast even in early game and all runes suit SK well
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DD will give you big damage boost so you can make most of Hellfire, Invis is an amazing gank setup, you appear out of nowhere and quickly kill enemy, you can also use your ally as a bait :), Illusion can be used as a bait/damage boost, Regeneration allows you to spam Hellfire and Haste means that nobody can escape you.
On the other hand, Furies would require farming entire early/mid game resulting in less kills and will give you similar damage boost. Games also don't tend to last long enough

for you too farm everything, most of my game end in 45-50 mins.
Most of the competetive SK games I watched went Armlet + Desolator (last one I watched was MYM replay) and I don't think i ever saw stacked Furies.

hey you above me, we learned our RUNE lessons, don`t bore us...
this guide does not focuss on ganking capabilities of leoric, it concentrates on his killing/chasing capabilities, and as a team player
his item build, altough it seamed strange at best, it really worked wonders

I apologize for flaming about Arcane Ring. But im still going to make my case for, just in a better way

Regen is not very useful on due to the fact that he only has one active spell. Once your mana is full, the regen is useless.You are effectively wasting regen and gold (in a way...). I find arcane ring gives you mana when you need it, for one more stun in a long chase/battle. And you get a huge mana pool to along side so you can leave fountain able to do 4-5 stuns.It is also good late game.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't killing/chasing an integral part of ganking? BTW Bottle is priceless when chasing and you need just a tiny bit of extra mana to stun. Sorry for rune lessons though :)

I agree with getting vampiric earlier, if you have teamwork, you will be able to get 2-3 more hits in which would make up any difference in damage that a crit would give, the lifesteal is important for jungling and survival

I disagree with your skill build, you don't really need lifesteal early game since you won't be attacking that much, so I'd recommend getting stats, they will giev you some more hp and more mana, so you can cast 2 blasts if you need to, that and you won't be lifestealing but

10 hp per attack, and you should only be last hitting and denying and that isn't much, so yeah stats>vampiric aura in early game

why would you buy a second ring? making pers or working on treads would be much smarter imo

skadi is a good orb for him, he has lifesteal and high damage, but he doesn't have a long disable so after hellfire blast the slow will allow you to catch and kill them, the stats and mana is also good

take out the part about replays not working

you don't need a table of

contents, your guide isn't nearly as long as Amp's

spammable stun shouldn't be in pros, since he can't spam it

1.6 isn't that low, and he only has 2 activated ability so he doesn't need that much mana

pro - high base damage and hp

if you get too big, then you will be able to tank people, multiple people even if your teammates die, that's why Armlet is a good item since it tanks you up when you need it and costs much less than other tank items

for the lvl 25 leoric, just show total numbers,

cause that's what matters, and you could add pictures easily for this, also you can get regen rates from DA, some good info since I think his hp regen will be pretty good in late game

since you get the same stun duration at all levels of blast? is it worth upgrading it in levels or should you get other abilities? something to think about

you should compare stats with v aura in early game, and if you have RoH then you won't need more regen that the aura gives, so stats is a better option imo

@ dohyunn - that is f u r a killer. if u r a dps/tanker, deso helps more, since u would be unlikely to be walking around killing by yourself. u would also have shiva to spam ur stun. and HOT for hp. aspd isnt really needed that much. also linken could be a good choice, if u wanna span ur stun. plus as a tanker, u shouldnt be farming so much, coz everything u farm, ur carry doesnt get to farm

if you creeps push, then you will be closer to their tower and have a hard time denying, also you risk getting hit by the tower if you try to last hit, ganking can happen anywhere and only tower hugging can stop that, not what you should be doing, so pushing is bad because it messes with last hitting and denying

wait, why are you soloing? where did you say that?

so you talk about blast + stats, I find your arguement less than convincing because the enemy should be smart and harass you before

you get to lvl 6, and when you go to lifesteal to regen hp you will get harassed more, so I stand by stats blast as the best survival method for early game

you can't buy it but you can get it, Aegis

at least you talk about the alternate build, that's good

so should you be going to the side lanes? if you pick leoric(much more likely), what items should you get?

you repeated a bunch of stuff about role, don't need it

you don't need a pic of the side secret shop, not really pertinent at all

very nice guide
"Are you a caster? Do you look ... REMOTELY like a caster?" lol ;) i love this one...will use it everywhere where ppl get caste items on mortred etc ^^

Cast items on Mortred? Those people must've sucked. It's like a Darchrow I've seen getting Vlad's.

@guide: Back from a game, seen a Leoric ganking in beginning while hiding by shop. Do you think he should gank like this with ally in beginning?

u can gank whenever u want, the stun duration doesnt change. also, darchrow got vlads for hi team, its all auras, so it doesnt matter who has it

kenny dies, u read my mind. all i wanted to say was said in proper english by u. gj

how much mana does the 2 mantles and 2 circlets give you in early game? can you cast 2 blasts if you needed to to get fb?

I don't think 1 ranged hero is that bad considering that they are generally squishy and in a 1v1 battle you could probably take them, so play it defensively but if you want to be aggressive you would probably win early game

his range is not that great, it depends on when you start the swing so if the enemy doesn't run too far then you will still hit, but normally he has 128

you could add a pic of the casting range, would be nice, although 525~=600 which most people know

some info/pics about canceling the backswing would be helpful, like when he casts it (when you see the projectile) and when to generally issue the next command

the vid of how long rez takes is not really useful imo, it adds flair but doesn't really matter imo

is invoker an early threat to your mana pool? since emp won't drain much in early game

a table for mid is unnecessary, especially if each

i see folechno with his sprees again. now i know why mods like to comment "combo breaker!".

great insight, good item builds and nevertheless, great guide yet again, keep up the good work!

10/10

section is 2 lines and you can see it right after the table

for the radiance vs bfury, radiance will still do stuff even if you get disabled, bfury won't do anything unless you can attack

only get wards if those heroes are mia when you go rosh, otherwise that's a waste of gold

skadi is good for the disable, allowing you to slow the enemy, cause hellfire blasts can only do so much for disables

you don't really need the lifesteal from Satanic, MoM would be pretty devent for the as, Satanic

helps for tanking, and that is good, but damaging items would be better imo and would give more lifesteal through the increased damage

radiance is a good luxury item since leoric can tank and will be in the battle the longest, and is therefore the best wielder for the team, although if someone else gets it then you can get other items

buriza is good for the damage, it doesn't stack fully with the crit like you say, but having that extra chance is good

BKB is situational, will help in team

clashes, should probably be gotten earlier, as it will help you kill in mid game

armlet is good as a core item, just watch the replay I posted

vlads is good since it gives a % dmg aura which will be a lot with his high base damage

cuirass is also good, watch the replay

bfly isn't too good, a 6k counter item for a small amount of heroes isn't smart, Blademail would be better since you can tank all their damage, cuirass will help allies and gives good attack speed, almost the same amount

erm naix being a perma basher u mean old naix with its old str gain of 4.05? the new naix cant really seem to perma bash...

another wonderful guide from shim :) :D

stats stats stats stats stats omg stats
and
aura aura aura aura aura omg aura

be quiet.
now the instant you hit level 9 (about the time i normally have HotD and RoH) you can get someone else to take your lane and gank gank gank then heal on n creeps then gank gank gank while you get a second and third solo, you might want to own your lane for them a but first...

anyway basically, aura > stats IF you don't have a bunch of rudeword-mongering-rudewords for allies ^_^

DAMN BULLSHIT BUILD!

SnY isn't too good, much better items

a few more item builds for you, the mass lifesteal build
Treads
Vlads
Satanic

the armlet build
Treads
Armlet
Anything else

nothing else I see wrong with your guide, I'm a little disappointed that the pics you do have don't really show much, and there aren't that many, but Leoric isn't that hard of a hero to use, I think that the Armlet build is really powerful and can make you a dps tank early in the game, definitely talk about it (after viewing the

Wall
Of
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@.@ reading it

replay of course)

some more screenies would be cool, I like how you stick only to SK stuff, but it would be nice to link to Ghost's guide to dota for those who don't know those techniques

I'd give an 8/10 atm, but I think you'll update it so I'll hold off on rating

it think your guide is cool i will try it

nice one but i also make him an arcane ring on early games to replenish his mana. anyways nice guide and i am sure i will be playing leoric once againg with ur item build.

I've been waiting for a new strategy for a looonnngggggg time...and it's great!!! hahaha 10/10 shim ^_^

WHAT A LEORIC GUIDE....
ITS COOL MAN....
WHAT A MASS....

u should get 1 bracer and 1 null. 1 bracer for stats and 1 null so u can get that 1 last stun or just use ur ulti. Then armlet and mom so u can tank and u can dps. Dps is best for him as he is a dps and tanking hero. Thats wat i think. XD.

Guys seriously. Stop bitching about the build. Its Shim's way to play. If you have your own build then good for you. Write your own F***ing strat instead of bitching in others

Nice strat Shim, this is my 2nd most favorite strat from you (actually the 1st one is the Broodmother). :) 10!

yeah folechno,gogogo break the record!
bim is back with a nicer language.
Shim, I've tried the guide and it works well, but I suggest not to go solo against to heroes, as you said, Leo's stun is GREAT for helping allies(and you) to get kills.

i played leoric there using this strat, it is absolutly amazing, imba game and fun as hell character

INSANELY detailed guide - nice job mann ^^

onceit's 2v1 Me (leoric) vs slithice and Warlock my build was BoT, Bfury, Satanic, divine, radiance, Cuirass

i use arcane ring to make sure i have 100+ mana b4 I die

Simply chimerical! :)

dude, this is the exact way i play him!!!! jus dat i dont buy dat much batlefuryz.... if u buy 4, does it means cleave 140%?? means the target u atk get less damage compare to the one beside him...

Nice guide,

But i think you forget a very important item for leoric, " Butterfly "

" Butterfly " :will give you survivability by adding the extra lifesteal(by more attack hits) and 30% chance to miss,

and extra AS makes your Critical strikes more and more that will force the enemy heros to attack you.

this will help you to play tank rule and Dps at the same time.

GREAT STRAT
hey im jw shimra
could i use this item build for sven
because ive looked around the site
and i dont really like the other ones :O. and its been bothering me,
if not, tell me what you use for yours,
because sven is my fav hero, and ive been waiting for a really good strat lol.

i say this guide is good rating from me 10/10


well battlefury is great as it can actually wipe large sections of creeps when used with leoric........

@LocoRoco

i get what you are saying but EoS is better for tanking than Deso

but yeah, if you get shiavs and HoT then you dont need EoS lol. but he slow is always nice to have since you ahve a slow via Shivas though i understand the logic of your build now haha

good guide 10/10 just one question does vlad stacks with aura? plz ansver fast

@collin

ya maybe u can use this guide for sven xcept that his only skill wich merges with SK is storm bolt......

neway no offence sven is also great.......

@Shimrra_3

hey dude
my friend's telling me that sven's storm bolt has a much long cast range then SK's hellfire blast
is that true???

@killer
vlad stacks with vampiric and satanic
that means 20%+25%+15%=60% lifesteal

still i dont get vlads.....
hey how abt manta instead of satanic(orb effects donot stack)NOT ASKING THIS COZ IM NOOB OK??? effective against spellcasters.....for some time??

I read this guide again in detail, and noticed something which is very wrong:

"Stygian Desolator: I've never seen this and probably never will, but it isn't a horrible idea. It just doesn't have a particular synergy or anything. And it is +60 damage, which never hurts."

No synergy? -armor = more lifesteal and higher crit. Isnt that a syergy?

if it appears in the ADC, i dont see how it will nvr be used.

IMO, u should move it to optional items.

@ sfsy1 = read. I said that I've never seen it, not that nobody has ever seen it. And by 'no synergy' I mean with his skills - such as how Deso has a synergy with Lanaya's Meld or Slardar's Amplify Damage.

@ hamed = Butterfly is in there.

@ avernus = Hellfire Blast and Storm Bolt are the exact same skill except for the visuals. Range is the same.

@ avern
item build wise.. sorry i dint explain lol
@ shimmra_3
for your next strat can u please make a sven one, i wanna see how you play him all the 3 strats are different and i dont agree with them..

Congrats fole, who ripped apart this guide like every other one.

in mid game i think skeleton kings is best equipped with vladmir, MoM, and armlet of mordiggians

dammn man you beat me to it, i have a leoric guide thats pending but now that this guide is here, mine is sure to be scraped.

Generally i agree with most of what you say, but i would highly recommand the alternative skill build over the other.

Two main reasons, vamp does not offer much early game because of your low damage and because you are very vulnerable to harass if you go up to creeps to hit for hp regen. The harass you recieve by doing this makes it pointless. Second, leorics low...

...mana pool makes it hard to make early/mid game ganks a viable thing after youve casted 2-3 bolts and you are running low on mana. The extra stats will make it better on your mana reserve not to mention the extra fat from str makes you that much better harder to kill. In addition, i prefer not to get vamp aura because i want to get pushed back to my tower early game so i can safely leech exp from tower or get an early game kill by stunning my opponent in tower range when his creeps are dead.

I was THIS close to writing this guide off until you said "guide for new players".



The Skadi is an interesting idea though...I'll have to try it out. But still, mass Furies? I'm going to have to disagree with your evaluation of Radiance. It is THE best dps item for meelee heroes. Period. You underestimate its immolation. Battle Fury gives decent regen, but not enough to justify the upgrade from Perseverance. Plus, cleave has less range than immolation.

*continued*

Is it so bad of a crime to leave a Perseverance as is? If you really want to improve it, turn it into a Linkens. It's a nice pseudo-spell immunity, and the other team will still keep attacking you.

Also, give the Armlet a chance to shine! I guarantee you won't be disappointed. That combined with Radiance would make for an effective combo, methinks.

I don't criticize your play style here, just the items. The style is undeniably good.

Nice Guide

But i would argue over skadi just that the slow is not just worth it. You'll probably get skadi late game and use it to chase enemys right? Well late game is where they all bunch together so while your chasing an enemy hero their team probably aimf or you. But the stats ont he skadi i cannot argue about, decent Hp Attspd and Mana is a fairly good boost.

But in my opinion maybe a dps build is more effective? i mean Leoric can't be a killer when he attacks so bloody slow T_T What

items? SnY no the amount of gold mainly for maim and movespeed not worth it, and 16 str and agi not so good. You want an item that focuses on one main bonus not an item like SnY which gives various bonuses. I would go assault cuirass, the armor +15 makes you more tanker, the attspd is what you need to kill faster and such. People who say Travels ver Treads, your wrong Aside from Travels having teleport travels speed is not really necessary, Treads gives you the str and attspd boost which with cu

there goes the featured guide of the month...

awesome guide

i prefer your build better than the vlads and satanic build

10/10 good job

y not treads,armlet and MoM? followed by some hyperstones and heart?

Ah Shim, another wonderful guide. Liked the Skadi aspect (although I'm a whore for Satanic+Vlads), and the good use of furies.

The only issue I have with your build is the lack of attackspeed. If you really expect to pull off skadi slow enough that the enemy never escapes, you'll need either high attack speed, or high movespeed (you lack both) I always get a hyper after the first fury, just so attack speed isn't a limiting problem. Plus, his crit is pretty wicked, and more of them never hurt.

Great! However I like the alternate skill build instead of the main one
10/10

intesting sk buying eos rather than SnY
the disadvatage for eos is hard 2farm!!!!!!!!!

good guide but totally wrong item build-skadi and (mass) battle fury is the craziest idea i've seen lately.
radiance,stygian,armlet,... are pretty standard for him

the hellfire blast-stats build is not really that bad.I tried it and it works well. AoM is definately good on SK and Radiance is good on him compare to battle fury.

Awesome guide

i'm usualy fairly average with SK but i've tried 3 games with him since reading this guide and owned everytime he's now one of my fav heros again

Great guide 10/10 Keep it up

lol Shim's getting requests to write guides. It doesnt work like that.

If he does write another one it'd most likely be on dusa

here's a suggestion... for a new build...
maybe...
BoT/PT
Manta Style
Battle Fury
Heart of Tarrasque
Monkey King Bar/Buriza/Divine Rapier(s)/Heart of Tarrasque
And Aegis/Heart/assault/armlet/situational items...
anyways good guide...

10/10...
^^v

Sorry for the double post...
Shimrra_3, can you please write a Silencer guide???
I hardly can use 'em...

I think this your best guide!
though I usually get armlet after buying a battlefury

Awesome guide Shim. Seriously 10/10 :D

Hey Why not add Invoker's Lava Spirit thingies on the Anti-Armor people eh?

They reduce 1 Armor each hit IIRC.

Btw, Morphling is also an annoying mana burner once he gets Manta Style, quite popular these days. He waves to you he mantas and wtf your surrounded with living water that takes mana each hit. And they hit pretty fast too at that. same goes for potm i guess.

Awesome guide again 10/10

@flamers: fk off nabs.

@F13RYDRAG0N: No thats you.

@blarg: Mass furies is fun >:D

@people who disagree with EoS: This is Shim's way on how to play it so might as well DONT USE IT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT EH?

@people who think EoS is hard to farm:
Battlefury.Need I Say Moar?I will anyway, You get to kill MOAR HEROES with Battlefury and Treads alone and that's already a big collection of cash enough to buy an EoS

@bim: The thing is, Arcane ring only gives off MANA not HP. Sure SK has Lifesteal already , *continued*

but in early game, you'd need it alot, and it turns into a core item, battlefury. which you can mass too for mass damage and regen. Seriously 2-4 Battlefuries > Arcane Ring anyday...unless your a ranged hero. I do get your point on getting arcane ring but i'm also stressing out a point that Perse or Battlefury is more appropriate for SK's playing style. Perse also adds damage (so as battlefury) and we all know that SK wants to do as much damage as possible. *continued*

@shim: you might wanna add how much spell reduction normally a hero has without any items so you know, the beginners will know. Either you added it already or i just didn't see it. O_O

Btw, I just tested this today and even though I haven't played DotA in a few months, I actually owned, and my enemies weren't nabs either. Was a fun game nontheless. EoS really helped me alot chasing down my enemy heroes.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have our featured guide for october.

To stress things out: 10/10

Very, very nice guide shim. Up to and above the standards set by your other great guides. Was going to rail on you for stat-hating, but ~fwii got around to that way before i read this guide apparently. So with that mention of stats + hellfire being a good combo, guide gets a 10/10 from me. In depth, versatile, informative. Also, after the third bfury, putting a rad on top instead of a 4th bfury is good. Your already splashing over 100%, and the immolation on top of that works nicely.

very very good.9.5/10 some things are choice, but I'm going 2 disagree with acrcane underNEVER GET. In fact, I think it'd a key item. Mana regen means u can use another hellfire without losing mana. Thats about 350 damage and a stun, or basicaly a Dagon, plus u have backup mana for revs and it h regens allies. I always get for leoric

arcane can be substitute for a bottle which is much better in SK

my skill build hb - stats - hb - stats - hb - rez - hb

my item build 2 bracers, radiance, bot, cuirass

whooaah

gud guide..... rate 10/10 i may try him this day but men i used to play leoric us support type..... keep up the gud work

I do not like the skill build, but guess we are different!

I normally go BF - Armlet - Stygian - Assault and then life.

Never ever seen skadi on a SK; often seen Stygian.

And why the lvl 4 hellfire blast when you can only use it once early game?

WOW! thats a good guide. its kind of easy to think leoric is boring especially if u cant farm a fury.

good items. just add some more screenshots. and ganks etc.

8/10

Oh yeah one final thing.

arcane is so tempting when i play leo.

imagine ur about to die with like 50 mana. bam u click arcane and u rez and uber pwn!!

but perservearance it good 4 mana regen.

man!!, ur guide is really awesome, i do agree with the radiance-fury thing. anyways nice guide 10/10.

I usually get Power Treads, Vladimir Offering (Lifesteal, not orb), Satanic (Orb), Armlet of Mordigian, Assault Curriass, and the last item depends. This item build will make you unstoppable! I tanked 3 guys alone and killed them since I had 79% lifesteal! THAT'S COMPLETELY VAMPIRIC!!!

i guess this guides deserves 10/10, my friend who is new to dota improved quite significantly.

aww... did pubby bashing with your guide. no flaws but when i did your teachings, i put stats on lvls 2 and 4... but it worked all the more. i have a replay about it... only it's 1.20e :( and i did not get the aegis when i had the chance... i died thanks to that... once.
ptreads
2 bfury
hprstone
heart really works. thanks a lot.
though i havent tried using skadi, 2 bfuries give enough mana regen... more than enough mana regen to spam HB on cooldown AND have rez when needed... 770 dmg crits ftw!

Wats up Shim its been a while since i saw ur name on a guide. However d wait was worth it, nva tried skadi on Leoric and cant wait 2 do it. Your main build is seriously SCARY. 10/10

REALLY NICE STRAT I GIVE IT 10/10

but you forgot to mention one build that i use once in a while. that is refresher= more dam, mana and hp regen

also you now have 3 lives with double rez

@above only problem is, how much mana do you have left after refreshing?

great guide shimrra. Your EOS thing is cool never thought of it. cause I just get either satanic or MOM.

nice guide 10/10

Hmm, tried it in mirror match. The other had vlads + cuirass and pawned my ass so i think cuirass definitely is the item for leoric after butterfly!

Yah great..Ive always knew that RoH is the best item in the early game..Also all the items mentioned.. But do you mind if i ask if NAIX is a tanker?.. i dont think so shimm.. Think twice.. thanks.. luvnielyn

N'aix is a nice tanker because he does have magic immunity and nice lifesteal and STR gain.

Late game he has enough mana to refresh and rez. Pointless to get refresher though, just get more lifesteal so that you dont die.

woW

i

Shim question. is leorics life steal an orb effect?

I do believe that Naga Siren with Manta is also a struggle for Leoric.

agrees with yanyan

-.-" naga siren with manta = dead leoric regardless even if he has fury....

the only problem now for naga if leoric has...enough hp...but basically mana burners= hard time for leoric


Anyways.... liked the guide

ive got only some..disagreeing matters to discuss

The fury...

yep i like fury on leoric but on certain occasions...its not that great

Late game leoric kills with crits... if leoric does not hit anybody...there will be no crits..

please add this to my other post

basically leoric must attack somebody to gain...life steal and crits..with the splash... he walks to a team clash stuns somebody...then hit hit hit which is useless in team clashes...you charge with your team hoping to be focused fired cuz your the tank then disabled and shit happens ^^

Radiance on the other hand makes a good AOE for team clashes but still i like fury for the crits...

Your fury theory will work if Leoric has tons of hp...

please add this too

and a really bad counter for those stacked furies are.. blademails -.-" ive seen 1500 crit mortreds killed with a sing hit from the return damage

Still the fury idea is good since i also do this...but...basically your guide is saying this

1.FARM FURY
2.FARM FOR HP items
3.KILL ALL

^^, yep basically thats it..thats the formula of sucess of leoric.. anyways 10/10 for everybody who read the guide FARM fury...and Hp items = 75 percent win ^^

Wow! Extremely in depth guide. I haven't finished reading it yet, but I'm learning a lot so far. I usually play leoric and get almost no kills or deaths but a ton of assists. Hopefully this guide will change that!

EXCELLENT!!! I love Leo. He was the first I "mastered", but your guide has given me new ideas and insight. THANX!!!!!!!!

What can I say? This guide has awaken my mind about Leoric...

I will give 94/100
6 point is missing because I personally hate Skel King...

About when do you plan on updating this guide? There's lots of questions people want to have answered.

Wow another great guide shimrra! This build is great, but I suggest you add Armlet to your main build. With that,after B fury, I was able to chop another hero in 2 kills thanks to the great damage it gives when activated. The crits also raise substantially. Overall, 10/10 guide mate!

wow.....it's the best guide i've ever seen....thanks a lot....
i'll try it...
i think use 4 battle fury, pwr trds, and heart of taras will make him a lord of war...
^_6

Very Nice ...


But I Really Didn't Get Your Build ..


All The Pros I Have Seen Told Me To Never Give Skeleton King A Battle Fury .. And Now Your Telling Me That I Can Get 4 BFurys ?!


I'm Gonna Try Everything You Just Said ...

Well that was mush of a help :) but anyway i like vamp aura + vladi + satanic I just dont know why :D + buriza ant hot = this guy is unstopable :)

this will be one of my top listed strategy. Its so detailed. Great guide. Good job.
10/10.:)

hey shimrra does battle furys splash attack stack ? somebody please answer

4 battle furies is a bit over the top, all he will have is regen which is absolute rubbish. Apart from that i enjoyed reading your guide. Desolator sucks for any hero that has critical cuz desolate is a damage effect and leoric and crit already makes up for the damage. Pretty much what I would get for leoric. 10/10

Quote Maelk "Arlmet on Leoric is just so imbalanced". Try it, Armlet + Leoric is insane. Beautiful strategy but I dont like the item build at all. I'd go with Bracer mass > Midas > PT/BoT > Armlet > BKB > Stygian. As for the stygian it's a common item for Leoric in competitive games :/ And it does sync with your crit since it lowers the armor.