The Imagination Within - shazzam66's Puck

Very nice strategy, nice screenies and well explained. Good JoB!

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Great strategy explain very well. I also like your item build for Puck.

YAA! FIRST COMMENT! Congrats on a job well done! GJ! However, I would've made getting Refresher almost definitely. 2 x Dream Coils can mean serious problems late game.

You say bloodstone isnt that good on puck, and you dont need it, but its in the Support/Disable Puck Build.


Nice Guide.

heres what i think of DPS puck
no

heres what i think on treads on puck
no

heres what i think on massing nulls on puck
no

is this guide good?
yes

remove the treads and replace with BoT
8-9/10 for now. everything else are fine

i agree there late game i would supp treads for travel

anyway a massive guide, lots of detail conveyed in screenies
and from an Aussie ^_^.

10/10 because i can supp boots as i feel fit anyway.

Another way that people like to play is to spam illusionary orb because it's damage is aoe and the range in incredibly far. Allows harrasing from far away.

Now I know why someone else is whining about his pending guide lolz! keep it.. a little spice with "in action" screenies will overhaul this guide to a 10 star strat! Thumbs up!

No for linkens, you basically have a free linkens that recharges every 6 secs. Shiva's is good but I usually find only the armor useful. Slow is not really needed for a chaser like puck.

The best build for puck is one that makes him viable to go late game since it's easy for puck to dominate late game. The build that works the best is probably the below.

BOT,
Deso or Eos,
AC,
Orchid,
Buriza or MKB,
Guinsoo or Euls,

With his third skill, Puck really don't need that much hp.

I'm with Ghost, yay for Aussies. Now...
Sole compliant is, indeed, Treads. I mean, the entirety of your builds besides the DPS one is caster and/or support. Therefore, BoT instead.
But everything else is excellent. Screenies no less. Skills explained etc etc. 10/10 from me.

Very decent guide.
But I sometimes dont mass nulls since farming is relatively easy. EoS Radianc or Shivas could be a first item. Followed by BoT and orchid or guinsoo. Lastly HP boosting items like hearts or perhaps bloodstone? its my only way to play puck...

Nice guide! Very informative. I don't agree with the armor reduction or DPS puck build, but whatever, only MY opinion.

You did list just about every DotA hero in the "Good allies" section, though.

Kudos for a solid guide.

Pretty Good.

IMO some Screenies is irrelevant.

nothing to say ...... no comments about it too good

Very nice! I LOVE guides with screenshots! They r De Best!

nc strat add blood stone lol.. so you can avoid having trip to the fountain rofl

nice screenshots and good guide

wads the pic at the last part anyway? looks like puck on the ground.

Crow is good I don't see a reason why not to get it. Include bottle, it should be up there among the core items. You'll be ganking alot so you need to take control of power-ups and it will allow you to have enough mana in every gank.

I don't suggest radiance on puck, your allies might have one already by the time you farm for it. Instead I would sggest some hp boosting item instead. SnY or butterfly on Puck is kinda dumb they don't give you much DPS since you're an int hero.

Thats true lol, the other thing that puzzled me... whats wrong with the Crow?

thank you very much for everyone who has commented so far

i prefer treads on Puck

i know some of the builds at the end are very out there

but try them, you will be surprised

again thank you to everyone

i did have tried PT and still
no
i have also tried dps puck except i go deso not SnY and still
no

you already mentioned puck is a good defender against creeps so BoT would really be a great item to have

i guess BoT are a slightly better,

but i like using treads

it makes for some very early kills.

and the DPS 1 can work

well your guide anyway
just telling my 2 cents
9/10 rated

YES it does AND i f***ing love puck thanks ill use this next time i play

o.O lik my item build it owns i think dagon can be fun but only on little weak heros lol. Still nice and good work on the combos

nice one. good job

I don't like the screenshots... leshrac was noob, come on, half hp against naga and puck wandering near tower? Also all of the hero kills are against heroes on half hp or early game fragile int heroes. Also treads on Puck? Psheesh! Also u listed all of the heroes as allies for ur guide to look longer? U don't even have orchid in ur item build, but it's there on all of the tables of the puck builds. DPS Puck with S&Y and butterfly??? That gives no dmg to his 'DPS'. Pls fix that, i won't rate yet.

screenies are pain.. less screen shots and more information pls. I think that previous puck strategy was better cause of better item building.

* Puck really donesn't need Linken cause of shift.

* Puck really doesn't necessary need artic blast to his combo (i am not saying Shiva is bad item for him - it's good but not because of blast though)

* NEVER get treads for Puck. It's a BIG mistake here!

lol who cares two linkens are better than one ^_^, can help if there are two insane nukes like, finger of death or laguna blade XD, anyways great guide.

this build seems to lean more towards what i'd like to call Battle Puck. so for those complaining about treads and shivas and all that, recognize.

Good guide, but I prefer take dagon because it add nuke to him.
Edit: His int gain just 2.4 and that really sux.

ok

i personally like using PT on Puck

gives you more Int or Hp (you need early game)

and can give you some very early kills

i know BoT are very good, but this is my style of play.

as for extasy's comments

is rexxar a fragile hero? or pudge?

i put a long list of allies simply because puck can own with pretty much all heroes, not really that hard.

I didnt put lots of screenshots in to make my guide longer, thats just stupid.

and you would be surprised on the builds.

Nice screenshots and well explanation..
But how to defeat this hero?

use magina or anub is good.

id say replace radiance with orchid because your hero doenst need another damage boost. Also the burn ( 35damage/sec he don't really needs) Give him orchid for silence, its way better for him
O yeah and also treads with boots of travel :)

Actually the strategy was good enough and it explained well but in built item I prefer using Boots of Travel instead of Power Treads especially in end mid game up to the late game.

Never thought about this hero, very powerful spells. I could imagine...

This one's pretty good. The combo that you made is the one I use when Its my first time to use Puck before and now its here! Good job! But I don't put attack speed on Puck. Just today! =)

great build.

just one thing. I find with the shivas in the combo a bit hard to execute.

orb-->wanning-->shivas-->coil?

by that time, the opponent will be ahead.

other than that, great strat.

this is my favourite heroe and i have some ideas for the spells.First Shiva's and Wanning rift.If the enemy start to run Orb and Coil.With that every heroe is being killed (not including some str with very high life)
P.S. great strategy anyway

I definitely give you a 10/10. No question about it. You make puck sound like such a cool hero to use (though I kinda know he's kinda dead against silencers). Anyway, awesome awesome awesome guide. Attracts readers into using puck and you show everything necessary on killing and escaping. Though you needa know that illusory doesnt always save your ass. Here's another trick. After escaping, use illusory orb into fog of war and phase shift immediately after ethereal jaunt to confuse enemies(cont)

if there are too many heroes ganging up on you. But here's another thing. There's a problem with your item build here. Power threads is absolutely useless. Waddaya trying to do, turn puck from super great to useless dps? Puck is SKILL DEPENDANT.And nulls?2 to 3 of them? Not really worth the money since, you said it yourself. Puck has a great int stat gain. Maybe afew nulls at the start will have it's uses. But don't keep it for long. Just not of any use. Anyway,regardless of your itembuild,10/10

Sorry for triple posting but here's the thing. Since you personally like PT, become a pure DPS puck, though he's pretty much weak. There's absolutely no use for threads if you're gonna use rift for farming. ABSOLUTELY no use. I don't get why you like it actually. Your shivas is well... more of a better item than skadi itself. Why? because after casting dream coil, and you opponent still survives after the combo, you're gonna want a 200dmg slow at one go. becoming a dps with skadi... naahhh

Amazing for a first timer! Just that alone gives you 10 STARZ

thanks to everyone was commented the strat so far.

in particular rllian 's comments were helpful.

man using Pts is just my style of playing.

combine with skadi and orchid

can mean some large damage ontop of the combo.

nice strat, is voting 10.

2 probs tho. 1, i think the captions for each screenshot being above it may be a bit confusing for those lacking intelligence. and 2, i think anyone who really needs a guide for puck in the first place fails. but still great guide!

@ rllian

you have valid points, but puck can be used as a dps as he lacks a proper nuke. and you can get BoT over threads depending on the game (e.g. they all have fast heros). 800 damage at lvl 16 isnt that good. i know total combo damage + atk is something around 1200, but, factor in armor and spell resistance and regen. sure, skadi means they cant escape, but if you dont get damage they can just turn around and kill you. so you need a) dps or b) 30 minute game. take your pick

I did like this strategy and I'm gonna try it. the only thing I will add is to switch the build to skadi, shiva instead of shiva, skadi

9/10 from me

@War_Wrecker: Well, actually the game shouldnt even take that long if you depend on puck's skills. He has a silence. But like shazzam66 said, an orchid would be useful. that means a double silence. In the first place, being a dps for puck is kinda useless. It all depends on the opponent. Up against silencers eg krobelus balanar or heroes like A-M, you might wanna convert to dps. But anyway, puck is seldom chosen in an ap game. It's mostly in ar games that he makes his appearance. (cont...)

but it all comes down to our style of playing puck. I personally like his skills more. And don't forget he even has a stun. In the first place, the total combo wouldnt enable your opponent to even level up in the game in the first place. It's all about leveling up first and taking the opponent by surprise. But true, so dps it is. Skadi, orchid or a stygian. I dunno. Anyway, it all depends on who you're up against

@War_Wrecker:
One more thing, by level 16 I would've already farmed a shiva's. That's 1000 damage. Don't forget that you have 2 stuns if your opponent panics(which they usually do). Anyway, It's obvious you don't go attacking enemies like cw or pudge. Go for enemies with low health. I'm not saying puck should ONLY use his skills. Of course, during the stun, you'll be able to cram in some attacks as well

Good stuff
The only other thing you should point out (unless it's just that obvious) is the possibility of escaping when in huge trouble by orbing, then phase shifting while the thing travels so you don't take further damage before you jaunt-OR get disabled!-which REALLY sucks.
Also... I'm gonna have to chime in on pushing for soul booster and/or blood stone... I guess it depends on who you're fighting, but if there's lots of nukers you might need it.

why treads and not bot? he needs to be fast, becouse with treads he is still sloow. :/

@KidA:
It'll be much appreciated if you read the recent comments

I agree with above. Read and learn.
On the other hand, creator maybe you should give your reasoning in the strat to avoid these comments in future. Next update that is.

Nice guide, I can learn quite a lot about it, 10/10

If you want to see more from Shazzam66's Puck ownage,
here is Youtube link to his video,
Good stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KXirS1nV_Y

If you want to see more from Shazzam66's Puck ownage,
here is Youtube link to his video,
Good stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KXirS1nV_Y

If you want to see more from Shazzam66's Puck ownage,
here is Youtube link to his video,
Good stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KXirS1nV_Y

very nice

haha

yes GaNkStA

i do have a video on youtube

it shows the combo done perfectly

and with shivas aswell

Heh that video is sweet. Put a link in the guide itself.

I don't play puck but that guide made me want to play him nice guide 10/10

Just played puck using your Strat,
I managed to get 9 - 7 with a Nice triple kill in there :P

i ended 12 games in a row cuz i was too good with ur strat

one of my fav guides on here cuz when you follow it, you get fed early on because ur items are so perfect fit (in my opinion) Very nice ill give you a 10/10 you should make other strats!

well im glad you guys owned with my guide.

even though most people

hate the PTs

My Fav Hero..woot...nice strategy...

hmm... but after trying out puck, he doesn't actually need bot until late game when you wanna teleport around pushing towers. Otherwise, yup pt'll be more useful than bot. Why? Because you have illusory orb to chase, a silence and a stun. That prevents heroes like morphling to waveform away. Another thing, don't forget to add weaver to you list of worst enemies. Because the majority of your dmg is done in 5 seconds. You don't want that to be cancelled out

Excellent strategy and screenshots for puck, for me though I would never get treads unless you are the main dps which is unlikely, also I wouldn't get skadi unless the game went on for a very long time. Nice guide.

Superb guide! The treads are just perfect for the strategy.

True that you may travel easier with BoT. but if you can utilize his orb well, traveling and chasing wouldn't be that time consuming.

Well, people may just swap treads for BoT if they really want it. But I find the treads just perfect for the battle Puck build (which I like more than the generic build).

Congratulations shazzam66 for a job well done and thanks a bunch for sharing.

A Perfect 10 from me.

yay!

people are finally coming around to the idea of PTs in the combo

thank you for all the wonderful comments and ratings

keep em coming!

Its Great to see a guide like this, with lots of screenshots and really well explained combos. Many other people in the comments have suggested Boots of travel, but i am inclined to disagree. Why? simply because of the treads diversity they can swith between +10 to str, agil or int and early game this is great. example. your up against a nuker and need a litle hp put them onto str for almost 200 extra hp. you have low mana but there is a guy you could kill if you had mana... switch treads to int

(continued form above) and and you may have enough mana. also the 35% increased atk speed is great. thats an extra 35% dmg/s with a normal atk. also the difference between treads and BoT in movespeed is very little (25) and the cost differnce nuber by about 800ish look no further than a yasha for 2050 gold gives you more movespeed than you would of had with BoT anyway. and you say 2050 gold id 2050 gold? look at the screenshot in the middle of this guide of shazza's farming........

10/10guide

your reasoning doesnt makes sense, 35% aspd for a multi purpose teleportation that help alot when escaping? switch treads to int if you got low mana? he already made it into int there no point for switching. and if by default its a str, you lose hp by switching(oh wow).

yasha+PT give more ms than BoT, anyone here gets SnY for puck? and does yasha gives teleportation? does yasha takes only 1 slot? and if you wanna teleportation with yasha+pt, will take you 3 slots?

is linken sphere works with puck?

I think when i play puck and got up linken sphere and my opponent cast a spell on me for example a storm bolt, the linken sphere would activate and for the same time your phase shift if its auto casted.

auto cast phase shift is stupid

@bhaine:

Great idea. You probably enjoy disappearing for every single damage you get. And a linkens can be good on any hero but there's no use for it when using puck since he can silence and easily orb away.
Anyway, about all this PT and BoT discussion, doesn't it all come down to our own style of playing? I find PT better because I don't really see the need for puck to teleport around the map. It's not exactly his job to push. It depends on the circumstances anyway. (cont..)

And if you get a skadi, don't get BoT. Why? No synergy. Skadi's great because it prevents your opponents from running. together with shiva's, you won't exactly need any sort of chasing speed. Not to forget you can actually use ethereal jaunt to chase. If your reflexes are too slow. I find PT useful since it adds to your overall damage. orb, jaunt, silence, coil, multiple attacks(Thats where EoS and PT comes in) and artic blast if your quarry gets away. That's alot of damage.

Just a quick question. Can Phase Shift dodge Zues' Ulti?

arcane is not need because u have 'high' int gain lol??? preseverance should be directly after boot.

unrealistic to get skadi shiva pt at mid games.

@EagleM:
Phase shift makes you INVULNERABLE. So yes, it can dodge zeus's ulti and any attack.

@ sfsy1

you have a high enough Int gain

combined with the nulls you mdont need massive regen on mana.

Pts, shivas and skadi are obtainable in mid game,

if u farm and kill enough,

leave me constructive comments,

not just what you "think" without giving explaination

Good job man. Thats exactly the COMBO i do with him, but as for the itens i tend to go a battle puck with life. So i dont do linkens ( really theres no real point for it since i get skadi) but instead of the desolator I still go for SKADY, CRISTALIS ( later buriza ) SHIVA, ORCHID ( and if there is money radience) . So all in all perfect guide, try this iten build i've said here and you will own too. 10 out of 10

ganking is so easy against pubs like these. why dont you try this strategy against real pros

BOOOORING

@Benny_93 & lionwings:

Here's a better idea. Why don't you... try writing your own guide?

+blood stone on your strat

@ lionwings: define pros? you? AHAHAHAHAHAHHA. seriously whos a 'pro' anyway? one of those really good pudge players who say they dont hack? a guy who can micro and macro with invoker and chen? someone who can atk cancel with SB for lvl 9 permabash?

get it thru your head, its not TDA. and neither are you.

@ Benny_93 and rllian.

i actually did find it boring. but that doesnt stop it from being a good guide.

lionwings just gave another guide 'garbage guide. 0 stars'. Ignore him. lionwings risks being eaten. Benny_93 now also risks being eaten.
Saying this guide is boring is blasphemy and saying its still good DOES NOT IMPROVE YOUR STANDING. Lol.

I don't see what's so bopring about this guide. Go take a look at "captain of the lich king". Now THAT guide is boring. Full of details. It's a perfect guide. but it's still boring nonetheless. This guide has screenshots and detailed easy explanations on how to hero kill. What more would you want?

lol at rilian

caspian you can't blame him for that comparison (still great of course). We would love some Chain Frost screenies ya know... still, lol at him for being instantly found by the creator though hahaha.

Great guide

My build is pretty simillar to yours:

BOT/PT (it's a question of playing style,both choices will be awesome)
Shiva
Skadi
Orchid

I don't think he needs linken/radi,he already got a magic blocking spell (although its not easy to time it at first),and I prefer orchid over radi,gives more mana and another silence

what do u mean bloodstone is not good for puck? it is good for puck because its needed in his core items

doesn't need bloodstone lol

just got 10-1 with my build

Great...

I kinda interested in this hero, but it seems hard to play...

@caspian:
Haha sorry man... But well, it's true. your guide's awesome. Though it's too filled with details. I think it'll be awesome if you have screenies. Makes people wanna read your guide more. I'm pretty sure more than half of the people who read your guide didn't finish reading everything..

@bowbee:
Dude... If you find this char hard to use, then wait till you try chars like potm, huskar or pudge(I find pudge easy though, but some find it hard to use). But anyway, you just needa small bit of practice maybe with I dunno... clicking reflexes?

anyway, take a look, someone's interested in this hero now

I disagree with your Battle Puck build. Replace Orchid with Guinsoo and Linken with BKB for a purely battle type puck

I disagree with your Battle Puck build. Replace Orchid with Guinsoo and Linken with BKB for a purely battle type puck

My friend you should have at least have Bloodstone or a Malevolence.

Hi! I would replace the Orchid for an assault, and I prefer boots of travel because of it could be pretty good when your team pushes the enemies... Everything else is fine and clear. I used this build so many times... easy win.
gl hf byby.

shit

you mean you?

He must mean him. Or his comp or his life or something. *shrug* seems more likely than the guide...

lol to Shimrra_3 and CFX

thank you for defending me

but were is himmer's ultimate ownage guide?

think before you type things.

Nice build..

I love that screenshots :)

i want to see you build that on me...

a lot of wishfull thinking here...
however, all guides are based on what you strive to get/create; so, good, nonetheless

Can you make a Supportive-Puck? That atleast I can be a great help. Nice strat by the way

@Meeposucks_true:

uhh uhh uhh uhh uhh supportive? uhh uhh uhh... puck? I think not. I got a better idea though. faceless void? yup, make a supportive darkterror guide too.

Very well explained and wellwritten guide. The item build is somewhat new to me but after playing puck a couple of times following this strategy i fully understood and appreciated it. Thanks you very much for sharing this knowledge.
Also, the video on youtube was pure gold
10/10

i got 20-3 in kills i buyed the sword that 250+ and i pwned so HAARD!!

@ ppont

thanks alot man

good to know my work is appreciated

and that sword that does +250 damage

Divine Rapier

@Stolle:

It's fascinating why you got a divine rapier. but congratulations on that

good guide and I saw your youtube vid...

just saw your video on youtube. Nice guide although i'm still practicing the Combo for this hero. nice guide very informative...

GJ, i saw your youtube vid, it is good to see the screenies and then the vid. Makes it more relasitic. Thanks i hope this will help me with pucky. VN

cool i like it!

Its a good guide!!

I played well with it I like It :):)

Ty man...

I wanted a good strat t be made for Puck!!

However i believe that Guinsoo may be needed!!!

haha. puck is one of may fav. haha. i used this guy and i own with 25-3 haha. i also prefer him guinsoo for disable uses. haha.nice strat! keep it up!

i used puck for the first time recently and unknowingly followed your 'battle puck' item build. it's solid!

I like your strat, treads for puck isnt suitable, i prefer BoT.


Well Done

Very nice and thorough guide! GJ !

Very nice and thorough guide! GJ !

i like!!I LIKE

FANTASTIC guide.
never thought of puck as a lategamer, but u made him a good early mid AND lategamer.
this strategy makes me wanna play puck.

Good! item build and nice strat

Nice Strategy. I've benn practicing on puck for three days now and it works out great. thanks!!!

Nice Strat

real nice
i liked it a lot ty fr showing me hw good puck is an thnx fr shwing me a new ganker top play
and which country are u frm u play good dota .

@ commanderZ

i am from Australia

i play on a server called Bored Aussies

Nicely done, I'm ditching terrorblade and sticking with this guy

My brother hates the dragon now since I beaten him with it too much

gud strat dude!..i think mekanism is als0 needed early game for puck..this her0 has a very low hp in early game..get killed so easily when ambushed

replace some of the nulls with bottle , it'll help you more especially that you're a ganker

i used your guide and i owned completely! HAHA. i was at level 20 and the first runner up was only at 16, so cool. but in the end i didnt defend well, so axe and juggernaut push into my base while i was at theirs. =(U ROCK!

good work on guide

super whahhhhhhhhhhhhhat!!! astig!!!

tried your build and it works ;)

I really don't like this guide, Puck is one of my favourite heroes but i really don't see how the radiance could help you. Sure, it has some dmg , evasion and dps but it is NOT cost-efficient on puck. Puck is a INT hero, i don't see the point of radiance. EoS is a stupid item as well, you have shiva's for the slow. Puck is acctualy the best against int heroes in my oppinion.

If you make the right items on puck no int hero can beat heam, and of course if you aren't a total n00b :D . Puck is a good farmer and by the 40th min you might have shiva's , treds and linken's sphere. with only these 3 items you can kill almost any int. by the 50th min you have the orchid and you really are imba.

Think about it, you orb him , press E when you are near him after that you activate the orchid (he is silenced for 5 sec and receives 25% more dmg), dream coil him, after that press W for wanning rift another 3 sec silence and after that activate shiva's . If he is still alive and wants to fight you he will have almost no HP and if he tries to nuke you , remember you have the phase shift and linken's sphere. He can't touch you . :)

ok Akata[kills]piglets

i dont get radiance for the evasion

i get it because of the good synergy with all your other AOE, and turns you into a farming god, and gives you more damage to chase.

and why have an activate slow

when you can have a passive slow 24/7

plus the essential stats, after all his hp without it is quite fragile.

and you just re-explained my combo again for everyone who didnt already read the guide.

think more carefully before you say.

this is my style of play

great! nice screenshots too. I personally think that it would be better to take 1 level of phaseshift before level 6 though, since it can really save ur ass sometimes. 9/10 anyways

Great Shazzam66 10/10 just owned with this guide 14-3 great

NICE!
THIS HERO is the best when it comes in harassing your enemy!
better use desolator than skadi...
this will do the trick...
Illusory orb,waning rift,dream coil...
when they notice that you had a desolator.. they will panick

very nice thats the way i play puck as well.. totally agree with your item build , overall a great guide 10/10 from me!

if your enemy is low hp better to build dagon for sure kill.. and also take lvl 1 phase shift it can help you in early game just auto cast it. puck is low hp so u nid to take phase shift.. puck is stunner & nuker too.. do your own strategy.. gudluck

best worst enemy of all int type is storm spirit not puck..

i think must be have hex.Then you can kill any type of heroes

on agility heroes u dont need ulti just that flying thingy then warning thingy and shivas and :dead:

nice strat..
amazing!!!!!!!!!