Soul Eater!

go 4 complete damage!!!

pure damage is in your hands man!

It has its strength and it has its weakness.

Where's lothar???

Nice guid. atenista_pao009 spams on guides btw. He said my item build was too expensive but doesn't say anything on other people's much more expensive item build.

I think this is one of the suckiest strategies i ever read!!!
THis is no hero who can fight face to face, specially in early game due to his low hp

YOU NOOB A DESSOLATOR AND A MANTA DOS NOT STACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aLSO u have not given the most essential item for shadow fiend, NOOB again


LEARN FROM THE PROs at least

Here after make these items and if u see a change in u're winnig sreak send me a message>>>

Power treads, Lorthar's edge, satanic, butterfly MKB Buriza

thats a bit harsh zzz but still true zzz though i wouldnt bother about the manta i would only go for the deso zzz then...butterfly lothars MKB burtiza threads zzz

Night Strike if you are so pro how come I don't see you playing in caL leagues? And how would know his item build doesn't work? Unless you have tried it but I doubt it. Also before making guides it tells you don't make guides for pros.. so can you stfu and write silly comments like atensita_pao009 does like on other guids.

rephrasing :"so can you stfu and stop writing silly comments..." I think the writer of this guide also relises that Desolator and the Diffusual Blade do not stack but he wants to use the purge and the image from Manta the demonstarte higher damage.

Exactly, at least someone used thier brain unlike night strike.
Its not bout the orb effect. Its about the one who makes the most damage The ULTIMATE SOUL EATER!!!

Try lothars so you can go near the enemy hero w/o him knowing then REQUIEM!!!

NICE BUT I THINK SHADOW RAZE IS IMPORTANT!!!

shadow raze is really important

what about the orb of the satanic?

and to atenista_pao lagot ka!!!! susumbong kita kay MARCO!!!!

all of u ... suck

/agreeing with flora... suckish people

yeah i agree get shadowraze asap. together with necromastery.It will help u harass farm and kill hero early to mid game. desolator is ok to me but it will not help u chase ur enemy. go for S&Y or skadi. my item build for nevermore are treads, lothars, S&Y Buriza. Manta style is a good alternative for S&Y. specially if ur going for a all out power build..

dumb ass u need shadowraze

nya~nay~nya you all suck!! blehhhhh

You should add raze instead of presence. It is essential for those heroes that think they are out of your reach.

i suggest you should by eye of skadi instead of desolator

hey, y dun teach ppl 2 use sraze? 4 noobs lik me, i duno vere 2 use it man...

THIS HERO ROCKS - LOTHAR STYG AND SKADI

dude u got 3 orbeffects ther =) ur newb or sth?

Actually drougluin, there are only too (Stygian and Manta). And you make other people noobs? I would get Lothar instead of Manta for tandem with Requiem. And if you're facing direct nukers, I would get Linken instead of Hyperstone.

hallerr?? deso, manta, and satanic?? do you know what "orb effect" means? and i think you disregards requiem of souls dude. Go try using using nevermore again pleasss...peace..

The item build is screwed up! There are 3 orb effects! Satanic 4 d hp is ok... But wats the point of manta with styngian??? I also say shadow craze should be taken earlier... and I use Lothars to sneak up to the enemy and cast the ulti... It works perfectly!

I highly recommend that you buy lothars edge for this hero. Use ww, go in the middle of a crowd, and use your ultimate.

The Nevermore is the best hero I have ever played. Try this item build : Power Treads, Sange & Yasha, Buriza, Butterfly, Heart of Tarrasque and Hyperstone (or Linken's Sphere).

good guide the last guide i saw was so short 8/10

good guide the last guide i saw was so short 8/10

good guide the last guide i saw was so short 8/10

yahhhoooo its so coool thanks man

How about getting blink dagger for maximum effect of ROS?good for escaping and killing too.

You need shadowraze to farm effectively throughout the game and to harass.First take necromastery and then level this or shadowraze depending on how many souls you've stored. I also go for vanguard as my first serious item, as never has no disables early and he's kinda slow so you're easy target. And you're reluctant to die more than anybody else since you lose souls. I agree with you about the SD though

Umm No Shadowraze till the very end.... enough said

i

zomg

this is gay

good enough to have a "GODLIKE"

think u need sny lol

can you say how can you get those item to the begining to end

2 orb effects... HOLY SHIT!!!!! boon

y the fcuk would u hav 2 get shadowgraze last s2uupid

Kinda a nooblet strategy. No offence.
Manta and Satanic are both orbs just fyi

heres a couple tips. My friend used this is out killed me when i was using my best guy.

-BoT
-Lothars
-Curiass
-Linken's Sphere
-Basher
-Basher

He was fucken crazy he would just popup and stun them to death >.< Boom Headshot

wow
im OWNING!!!!!!!!!!!!

paano gagana ung tatlong orb effect? pwede ba yun?

read the earlier posts before making a comment....

no manta, no heart, no stygan, get skadi(has slow and adds to health mana pool and the bonus agility
), buriza, lothars(get away or lothars next to some1 and ult), travels(better late game), hyper disagree with skills, get shadowraze and necro, then get the presence = easy kills early game. with shadowraze when its early and no1 has health u can deal an easy 900 damage at lvl 7, let them get close then do close shadowraze, when they run do mid, then do the fatherst. nevermore shouldnt be played with new players because if they keep dying ult goes down along with bonus damage

SHADOWRAZE IS CLUE!

The power of the three spells is 900! Ive taken heroes down with three razes and raze is excelent for farming too, i max this and necro first.
Just need practice to master it.

hmmm its'nt dont orb effect?

very nice strategy

Manta, Stygian, Satanic.....

WHAT A N00B !!!!!!

Manta, Stygian, Satanic.....

WHAT A N00B !!!!!!

Yeah what a stupid noob lol ka nagsukat ka pa ng strat

What a stupid strategy

LOL!!!!!!!!!!dis is fucking bitch!

wait, DESOLATOR and SATANIC is orb effect ryt? that wont work!!

manta desolator and satanic are all orb efect???????????????????????????

Not a bad item build but i think it need hp early game, and for others there i have a build of my own very similar to this (made thx to this).
Treads, Deso, Assault Cuirass, Buriza, Butterfly, HoT/Linkens/Eye/any other hp or so item. Adds up to a -15 armor!! if the enemy has 5 armor(str or int often) you can make em have -46% dmg reduction i think it was. well that means u do +dmg...lol...anyways manta style aint a bad idea cause he got low hp so they need to find the real one too. more dmg aswell :) nice build, i like the -armor builds alot :P

nice srategy but lothars edge is a must!

no lothar?! omg... can you kill with that??? but, hey, nice... 8/10

Trust me it works-Just go for a couple hits on the guy maybe an assist by someone else then run up SR 1 wait SR2 wait SR3 Pwned

What?????? Manta Style, Satanic & Deso are all Orb Effect type items.

All these three items will not stack with each other.

My suggested build for me are the ff:(offensive)

1.)BoT
2.)Lothar's Edge
3.)Desolator
4.)Butterfly
5.)Monkey King Bar
6.)Buriza

i think this is a sux guild as there are alot of item cannot be stack and how u use uit near hero without lothar...

I'd go for Satanic, Stygian, S&Y, Manta, MoM and Helm of the Dominator. OWNAGE! ;P

NooNooNooNoob Like!!! means you get killed forst!! hahhaa

JUST REMEMBER..

Manta Style, Satanic, and Stygian Desolator.(ORB EFFECT DO NOT STACK)

ive played with the 6.43b ai 1.4++ n i saw the ai's build n i changed a little bit 2 make it btr, it is realli gd dat ai can come up wif this kinda build
power threads
stygian desolator
twin bracers
radiance
assault cuirass or eos

fuck you all banned me because i want to sex with you!!!!!!!

yopur calculations are wrong at the end

I did that and at lvl 21 i had 220+ additional dmg

i think you should buy lothar better then
manta

i think you should buy lothar better then
manta

feedback and corruption wont stack.
u dont get feedback effect

well not the best out there, and assault curiass fits PERFECTLY for this hero. but i haven't tried with images. but to be completely effective with images, you would probably need a bash or something. 6/10.

Comment: can be useful to an experience player, but very useless for noobs and beginners. It blast damage in front of shodow fiend.

dat tells u d author doesnt consider himself experienced

anywez ... nevermore widout lothars?

n shadow raze is realy realy imp ... no melee heroes can touch u early gm .. by d time they reach u they wil hav 2 start runnin back

i think lothar´s missing

ORB EFFECTS??? NO GOOD! Why satanic? then Desolator??.. I would rather have heart of terrasque.. then BKB or Mkb.. then Buriza, hyperstone, threads, and Desolator...

Threads, Deso, Butterfly, Heart, Buryza. That's enough to finish off the game.

I would suggest to have shadowraze and lothar good escape plan and supports ur ulti and if they are not dead yet use skadi if they manage to live after ur ulti so they cant escape.

"Orb effects do not stack"

Butterfly would be more useful than Manta , imho.

Oh, and one more thing I forgot.
For everyone saying "get Shadowraze", I would say that this guide is more targeted towards people who are new to to hero, and have trouble aiming with Shadowraze.

wow, noob guide.... shadowraze is necessary along with necromastery for early- to mid-game.... plus cuirass is a good item for him. tanks more with the armor, attacks a lot faster, and with his aura it's -9 armor. life leech is also more important late game than styg. i was able to tank ursa late-game with treads, buriz, satanic, cuirass, and lothars. this is definitely a guide for noobs, i give it 6/10

Yeah shaddow raze is cool and spammable early game. It should be max out asap. Precise aiming is important to blast the full damage..

orb effect??

W00T ;)

sori mister... but your guide isnt very good. first of all, orb effects... and what about your hp or an escape plan? yeah, i think lothars is a must... or a dagger even....

even though nevermore is my ap hero i study him much i dont think manta will usefull but diffusal is good and may replaced with eul's if u use so much raze however survival is most improtant for nevermore i usually get a divine for him and always get aegis :) nevermore = best defense is offense ;)

very wrong...

Try guinso ... guinso then requim then half of the life of the enemy will be lost or lothar

Try guinso ... guinso then requim then half of the life of the enemy will be lost or lothar

Umm... This is did not meet my expectations for a Nevermroe guide but I got some thought from this.... Getting Manta sounds kinda fun with this guy. Huge damage with illusions means lots of fun. My build for Nevermore is
Treads
Butterfly
Lothars
Buriza
Stegyian Destroyer
Skadi

I'm pretty sure that orb affects don't stack, meaning that diffusal and satanic won't be of much use, i can see that purge is what you want.

y not buying eye of skaly?i think it is more useful than desolataor.however it is just a comment.

this is a seriously noob guide, it doesnt say anything about using requiem of souls

Y double orb Effect..?!desolator and manat style..?!dey dont stock..

nd yeah..you have satanic..i'm not dat good..but i know abwt orb effcts..

Your iten strat is broken, manta and stygian are both orbs and cancel each other plus satanic late game is also orb. Also shadow raze should be maxed out early its one of if not the best nuke in the game. Get presence later.

What? no lothar? not even a dagger

dude!!! after reading this strats i had to verify if the orb effects have started stacking or not !! lol !!! this is the build i go for
treads
lothars
then it depends if i am playing against nukers or strength heroes
if str then go for butterfly n agi items like buriza
if facing nukers then u need hp and go for satanic .
No mention of the ulti in the entire strat.

I'm a little confused why you have two orbs. I thought that they don't stack.

having shadowraze is a must...imagine at level 7, you could inflict 900 damage(-armor reduction)

second, you MUST have lothar's edge, and/or dagger of escape. better if you will use both.

linken is a good source of mana and could block one skill per minute. with it, you could cast his ultimate skill, almost anytime, anywhere. along with dagger and/or lothar's edge.

the rest of the item will depend on your enemy.if you need more attack damage or focus on your magic attack or either have more defence.

this strat. sucks... you completely underestimated shadowraze's power... used correctly, you can harass, kill and store/restore souls very quick...

and due to that, your item is... too bad to put it in words

sucks

sucky guidess. try spamming 1st skill wit bottle filled plus creep blocking

sucky guidess. try spamming 1st skill wit bottle filled plus creep blocking

OMG! This is one of the worst guide ever made.. Shadowraze should be utilize early.. Shadowraze = Good Farming + Hero Killing skill... Why get it last???

your build for nevermore is quite mpresive however you forgot to do the mathematical equation for orb effects of the items your building...

your item is all orb effect!!! stygian, manta and satanic does not stack!! asshole!!!

-Stygian Desolator
-Assault Cuirass
-Boots of Travel
-MKB
-Buriza
-Lothar's Edge

This is my item build

yea i dont think all those orb effects will stack buddy

wow it's pretty cool!1

.. Shadowraze is basically the hero killer early game, dont wait till level 21-25 to use it, unless you dotn know how to use it.

i think deso and manta is an orb effect so you cant stack manta and deso at the same time

Shadow raze is really an essential hero killing weapon, if used correctly, but since they stated dont write guides for pro's, taking shadow raze in late game is ok, unless a newbie would like to try it out. I mean, if nobody were to bother trying it out, its a posing skill ??? =X

The orb effects O.o, I think that you could change the orb effectsby putting the item with the orb effect you want it the top left hand corner of your inven ? o.o think it still works...

anyways nice guide ^^

----------------------------------------
YOU FORGOT LOTHARS... I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU..... NEVER....

wow, 3 orb items.

plus shadowraze will kill any melee hero that is stupid enough to confront u. i suppose that this guide is for n00bz... but whats the point of gettin early stats if u dont use ur mana at all? its only around additional 38 health per lvl

He mean it..

this guide kinda suks for stat u get ur nuke lvl 22-25 and if ur good with that hero kills are easy early. and most games dont normally last that long ur items i think are good except manta is worthless

deso and blade has orb ..

THIS GUIDE Sucks . Which idiot wud'nt up SHadowraize first! Its a harrasing skill at the cost of 90 mana. A good finishing skill if he plans to escape.. L4me L4me L4me

olo...lolz

Orb effects !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Great hero and realloy great guide, i used and and pwned thanks mad :) Pictures would even better XD

Try this instead... Threads, Lothars, Skadi and butterfly... He's such a good farmer this can be done easily... also up shadowraze to harass and farm early on... if games prolongs, get a Satanic... Btw...this guide is kinda l4me

-treads
-skadi
-kelen's
-mkb
-lothar's
-divine
Cool

he didn't use shadowraze because he doesn't know how to use it.

"Comment: can be useful to an experience player, but very useless for noobs and beginners. It blast damage in front of shodow fiend."

see!!! he thought it was useless for him so he didn't care

ok night strike if you consider yourself as a pro than post a guide.. i need tips for this hero cause i never played him knowing that his difficult to use.
prove urself worthy of posting that comment at least... then we'll see if your not as stupid as **** said.

"vondyke: Which idiot wud'nt up SHadowraize first"

people who doesn't know how to used it but stills picks shadow fiend... hope that answers that question

No not at all it sucks

does deso and manta stack?

diffusal and desolator are both orb effects

lousy guide. two orbs? what a waste of money this is. go for desolator kelens and assault cuirass. thats what I do and i at least get a monsterkill every time. if u want to be really sneaky u can get lothars it also good since its dmg/agi.

its the weakest build ive ever seen in nevermore... i prefer pt,buriza, lothar,butterfly,assault, and skadi...

this guide is pretty bad but most peoples comments about items are ridiculous its realy tough to get a bfly buriza deso and assault and MkB in a game. i understand the manta with the im ages but it is kinda foolish, if you want hits satanic is not the way to go especially if deso is your orb effect. this guide would be better (and i hope someone does this) if it had pictures of the range of shadowraze because its amazing thanks! 3/10

could someone please mak a guide that is rated 10?

deso, manta style then satanic?? nice....if only all 3 of them would work at the same time....oh while ur at it why dont u add maelstrom and SnY as well just to waste money on orbs that will not work

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Desolator and Manta Style don't stack
LVL6 is useless without lothar's edge you idiot!!!!!!!!!

You are a noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

nice guide guys....i nid this to play nevermore wisely...

THIS IS COMPLETELY SHIT HORRIBLE. WHY NOT ADD MAELSTORM, SNY TOO SO THEN YOU WILL HAVE ONE OF EACH OF THE ORBS. WHAT A MORON GUIDE. PLZ.

ummm shadowraze last? you can do 500 dmg at least with 2 quick casts if you have it maxed first, and it is a good kill stealer when they start running away :D

max it first with necromastery, you get alot of gold and bonus dmg from creep kills. If you dont know how to use it, start learning because otherwise it is a complete waste of mana and a useful skill.

try using,
treads, vanguard(for survivabilty), lothars(good for your ulti and its better with dagger since it adds up to your agi, butterfly, with just this 4 items, you'll own, the next 2 slot would be optional, buriz and skapi perhaps,.
but not getting raze is what?!?!
it just give you a total of 900 damage when excuted right, just need to practice that skill, but when you already mastered it, you'll love it for farming and harassing early game. believe me

i might not be the best sf user, but this is wad i do

early game-
BoT/PT
bottle
2 wraith band(if you're dying get bracers instead)
(up ur necro if u farm well, and get ur shadowraze up if ur good enuf to aim)
With luck u might just get first blood

mid game-
skadi
lothars
HoT or Satanic
(This is the stage where you'll pull off mega kills, Dk, Tk. also, i recommend upping ur first level of reqiuem at lvel 10. at level 6, ur requiem is pretty useless cos u dont haf much souls)
Get rid of the bottle and wraith bands

late game-
buriza?
butterfly?
(in late game, u can do pretty much anyhing and get some comfort items to make u look good)

So, at the end u shld have

power treads/ BoT
Skadi
Lothars
HoT/Satanic
Buriza
Burtterfly

only get the last two if you're farming well

forgot to add
check out this guide, its wad helped me

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=132936

u gotta register, but its worth it
good luck and may u keep ur souls well

forgot to add
check out this guide, its wad helped me

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=132936

u gotta register, but its worth it
good luck and may u keep ur souls well

forgot to add
check out this guide, its wad helped me

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=132936

u gotta register, but its worth it
good luck and may u keep ur souls well

forgot to add
check out this guide, its wad helped me

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=132936

u gotta register, but its worth it
good luck and may u keep ur souls well

wtf??no shadowraze??
shadowraze is for farming,defending and pushing u dumb a** noob

wtf??no shadowraze??
shadowraze is for farming,defending and pushing u dumb a** noob

though u put it so crudely, agreed

Whatttttttttttt you dont use shadowraze its the most important skill for nevermore you know......

lol 2 orb effekts noob

no srry...3

lol u have 2 orbs noob!!

what a fuking noob this guy is.

add shadowraze 1st for kills.

ur item build seems very ex btw

my build at late game for nevermore would be

EoS
SnY
Treads

And if the game lasts long

Butterfly

I dont add desolator to my build though as nevermore has really low hp and the strength gain from SnY and EoS helps ur hp get to 2000+

EoS ad SnY helps slow down enemy atk speed and move speed as well

so the ultimate question is Stygian or satanic?

manta and orb will not stack though it seems cool to have an image have deso as welll

this is the moz s2pid forum i,d ever heard
don,t you think diz is unwise to go and buy manta style and buriza.all u hav 2 do is to buy stygian and assault cuirass to improv da ability of podl.moron

s2pid

uh you have dual orbs?

with manta and stygian desolator, so it looks like it's a waste of time

shadowhaze at mid game ???
and 3 orb effects!?
no lothar's or eye?

Hahahahaha...
This guide sure's quite strange. lol.
Think, Shadowraze can spam 300 damage, for only 75 mana, and you didn't take that? I know it's quite hard to use for noob, but that's what a guide used for. To teach the noobs. And Shadowraze is very essential for Nevermore early game, then don't say,"I can't use Shadowraze very well, so I'll take them later." No, if you can't you should learn until you can. Beside of it's large damage, Shadowraze is one of Nevermore's positive point. So I'll take Shadowraze @ 2/3/5/7 and necromastery @ 1/4/6/8.

Ugh, ur using 3 Orb effect items in ur build???? Naah, that's very very very wasteful. Better use ur money to buy 1 escape/survival mechanism item, such as lothar, or dagger, or mekansm.

"I use Requiem of Souls a lot during farming. So i get to store a lot of souls."
Ugh, requiem of souls for creeepss???
Naah, I think you havn't tried lothar and move to ur enemy (exactly to where the enemy hero is) and cast the Requiem wif full souls.
Try it.
Also, you use requiem to store lots of souls in lategame? No, he already has large damage output, and that way he can do the creeping easily (you can use Shadowraze for creeping instead if you want).

Please consider all these.
Hope to see ur guide better!

Thanx!

i prefer you should give him EoS rather than SD..

Let's talk about your skill build first

Skill build: Its still ok, your choice anyway, no right and no wrong.

Item build: Desolator...manta style...satanic... ALL CANT STACK!!!!!!!

3/10

Very noobish build, sorry mate.
Definetly shadowraze as second skill to max, I even skill it before ult. It owns earlier game killing. When a hero is close, Q. When he starts running pres W then E and most of time they will be death :D

nevermore doesn't need critical strike.on the shadow fiend it's a waste of space. yasha, butterfly,Stygian Desolator, powertread,Manta Style, Heart of Tarrasque. these items make nevermore, unstoppable!

y this strat does not include lothar's edge n radiance(2 farm better) n yeah nevermore does not need crits...wat he needs is this BoT,lotar's edge,desolator,assault cuirass,butterfly,aegis/HoT rite....

n the radiance is optional... just 2 farm better

deso doesnt stack with manta!!!!!!!!!!1

Lothar is a must for this hero,add damage,invisible to go near enemies then ulti requiem..Shadow raze max asap to farm n harass..Only noob don use shadow raze early..Low mana cost high damage,its shadow nuke..Why get it last?

@Zuraimi
Lothar's not always good.
Even if it gives damage, and agi, but still, the WW can be countered easily. Only 200 gold for sentry wards and you're done.
I'd prefer Kellen's which gives almost perfect escape mechanism, sudden ambush which cannot be countered, for chasing, etc.

And yeah, shadowraze is a must.

Pls Take note that orb effects does not stack
It will be just a waste of money

Deso
Manta
Stanic

if you have deso on your hand
the other item w/ orb effect will not work such as feed back and life steal
...promise... i tried....

Why mantis and no Lothers...

ummm...Peepiet...i dont think that your enimies are going to get wards just for a 9 sec wind walk, it would be a waste since its only a 9 sec they dont have to worry as much compaired to a BH or a SA... to me, getting wards for lothers is just flat out dumb...

may i ask you? you know that diffusal blade and stygian are stack away!!!

Items for Nevermore... you guys should really try this. He'll be a killer!

1.Boots of Travel.

2.Stygian Desolator.

3.Assult Curias.

4.Lothars Edge.

5.Buriza-do Kyanon.

6.Monkey King Bar.

i have a quadropol kill using shadowraze 7-10 of my games when i used this hero... noob guide... shadow raze is important in early and mid game and important in collecting souls... but base on my own experience dont used ulti f you dont have bkb and lotars expecially if ur enemies are stunners... ahehehe

Damn this is stupid. Buying SD for the damage?! xD ooooh my fucking god. It's like wearing 3 condoms, all with holes.

It doesn't make sense, you CANOOT!!!!!! combine items with orb effect together, that's a shame, you'd better practice more and perhaps later you will Knoww something about that
sorry gut

sad build....
i would go for butterfly(or desolator), butterfly, butterfly, buriza and stanic or skadi. this way you can take tower down in 5 sec believe it noob!

with your strategy,for me,its very stupid.coz first of all,how would you have a soul eater hero if 3 of your items has orb effects,with that problem,you cant have all the advantages.

my own stratey:

power threads,MKB,eye of skadi,boriza,lothars edge,and 1 slot in your inventory for teleportal scroll....for defense in your base..or for your own safety...^_~...

WTF 3 items of yours have orb effects.... thats like.... noobish man..

you kno what is orb? and what is "orb effects do not stack"? write a strategy if you're experienced okay, satanic, deso and manta are orbs.

no blink dagger? and im absolubely disagree with the skill build part.. im gonna up skill 1 & 2 to the max..then only ulti + 3rd skill..
at first..im getting a boot + a bottle..
then i farm for deso/butterfly/blink dagger (either one) after that..
enjoy your game.. but dun die too much in early game! strongly not recommended for noobie n newbie

noob strategy and the item build is a laught la. Write a strategy when you can play the hero =.=

there are a lot of mistakes because of orb effects..but overall it could work.

personally i like buriza and MoM or dominator ....

still unlike some mouse lovers i can apreciate the effort and give you a 7...
keep playing, you'll get there

i thought no need for hot and manta style next time try to think again

Zzzz just a guide... this guy may sucks=) u ppl also sucks wtf is with lothar? It works only when ur playing wif noobs..so u morons only know how to follow ppl's comment ..... one said lothar.. everyone said its good... fck off la,not even one understand sf

Diao..say ppl noob stack 3 orb effects..some also tok big zz,skadi wif deso very good right? fck those who said that la,yes skadi is anti orb effect when that hero is ranged..but it still only stacks wif some orbeffects items..(etc,satanic) but it does not stack wif deso.. dun belive try it out....nv even try it anyhow mix skadi wif deso...zzzzzzzz

I would suggest the following item build :
1. Sange and yasha
2.Power treads
3. Butterfly
4. Lothar &(or) Dagger of escape
5. MKB
6. Buriza

Dude i dont agree with all your items. Im a pro with this hero and the build is
1.power treads
2.empty bottle
3.buriza-do-kyanon
4.skadi
5.hyper stone.
and so on

im an amazing SF playing,and honestly,this guide sucks.the fact that images canot weild any orb makes it worse.ranged images,dont mana burn and you totally wasted 1 orb,which could be spend on butterfly.worse,presence of the dark lord is a no-no early game,the hideous 1000 aoe reveal you position everytime you try to gank.shadowraze taken last?that is stupid.although people might not be good with it,its a good farming tool.

bakit last ung shadowraze sa skill? yan nga ung panglasthit e..

I think shadow raze is more important for early harassing and killing an also why us manta? but I respect you coz its your own strat and your just showing to them and yur not forcing them to do it right?

Im gonna test him thanks to you :)

Im gonna test him thanks to you :)

So in the end, you have THREE orb effects... okay.

hmmm, not very good guide. you dont utilize his nukes. with a little practice its easy to deal 600-900 damage very quickly. learn it and use it. its also a GREAT. Farming tool.

you are such a damn!
shadowraze is the best!
and you are putting it last?
c'mon! such a noob! bad strategy!

THIS hero really suck Stupid nevermore

your wrong man you cant have satanic an desolator at the same time.. one will cancel the other.

dmge is most needed nubs!

argh RANGE skadi is NOT AN ORB
additionally, S&Y is orb effect only the instant the 'maim' accurs.

But i too prefer satanic over desolator, lifesteal, hp, = more hp = harder to kill.

I was (and my 2 pals) were once totally pwned by he, 2 melee and 1 range (me)

he just came, shadowraze(3 = far), shadowraze(2), hit, hit, raze (1 = near), ulti, hit, raze(3).

3 heroes killed = triple kill

your damage is way too low with your build, i've seen traxex and luna moonfang do twice what you've got. the desolator is ok, but manta and satanic?

3 items has orb effects! does it work? manta, deso, satanic? i gues lothars because of its low hp! so you cant be killed easily! deso is good! coz of armor reduction aura!

i think blink is the best first item simple beouse u are veery softy u can blink out in . blink in u have an ulti

Can u actually stack Manta with Stygian and Satanic? Also, why don't u Upgrade ur hero skills with Shadowraze during early game?

nice strat man, .
try to give me strat to priestess of the moon

i think it's short...but has almost all the points covered..

i also think you need shadowraze early

then the item build...it's HILARIOUS!

i'll giv u one thing tho...ur gud at math!

dude...u guys onli know how 2 criticize
ppl onli ar??

I suggest assault cuirass with desolator,instead of manta and satanic.you already have +60 damage with necro.after deso 120 and armour reduction complements both the recipes.

my suggest is
1)PoT/BoT
2)SnY
3)Yasha
4)Lothars
5)Butterfly
6)Assault Cuirass

all u need is speed!!!!!!!!!BanKAI!!!Tensa Zangetsu

Need shadowraze early game,i got 1st blood+doublekill at level 6..Hehe thanks for double shadowraze, need BOT,Desolator,heart,butterfly,blink or lothar,buriza or skadi..

This is a pretty crappy guide, but it's old so I'll forgive it.

I didn't bother rating.

My farming build:

Power Treads
MoM
SnY
Butterfly
HoT/Assault Cuirass
XXXX

Necromastery gives you plenty of damage early game so you don't need to go for damage items early game. Instead, get a MoM quick and frenzy on creeps for massive farming and a fast SnY. Level up Shadowraze along with Necromastery, it's a great farm skill. Later, it becomes a spammable nuke.

After SnY you can try hero-killing. Should be easy since you have 100+ bonus damage by now and high IAS. After you get Butterfly, it's game over. Farm up a quick HoT or Cuirass so you survive to get double/triple kills. Cuirass also stacks with his third skill.

Last item can be anything really.

*ObZ

Alternatively, instead of MoM you can go for Lothar's.

Windwalk close to an enemy hero, pop off your ult then immediately pop a close and medium shadowraze (z and x). Depending on spacing, both may hit. That's about 1700+ dmg for only 450 mana . Also, since both skills can hit multiple targets, it's an easy way for multi-kills .

you should use radiance and kelens dagger of escape

Shadow fiend without blink / lothars??
LOL wtf...

+Blink
+BKB
+Desolator
+BoT

hmmm..i still think shadowraze will be more useful.

...this guide is kinda flawed. First off, Shadow Raze lets you do AoE, making farming EASY. Also, it's a VERY low mana cost nuke. 300 dmg for 75 mana? And it can be cast 3 times in quick succession! Yet you say not to use it?

Also, your items are way too pricy...you'd have to do nothing but farm to get all that in any decent amount of time...

I usually go
Treads -> Lothars -> Desolator -> Vanguard -> Aghnims

oh my... Nevermore without shadow raze... That's like... Void without his stunning

Don't get a manta. Get a blink dagger and a lothar's. Mkb if possible.

PS" Does anyone know if skadi will be good for nevermore? Just wondering. Since range skadi is not an orb effect

bobo!!! para saan p c fiend kung walng shadowraze!!! tanga!!! wag kna uli gumawa ng strategy!!! tanga mo.,.manta tska deso?? bobo m tlga!!!

bobo!!! para saan p c fiend kung walng shadowraze!!! tanga!!! wag kna uli gumawa ng strategy!!! tanga mo.,.manta tska deso?? bobo m tlga!!!

why three items with an orb effect?????????????????????????????????/ they do not stack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

The manta is not for the orb efect but for its ability to clone and desolator overrides the matas orb i don't think it is a bad idea but the satanic is a waste definatly and dude u really should get a blink dagger or a lothars for ulti efficence.This start would only get u so far in late game u will get ownzed becuase ur ulti is lowest dmaage and tank heros would send u back to tower repeatedly and don't get me started on a frost attack.so rebuilt ur strat and do better next time.

no raze?

Shadowraze lol , simply one of the best nuke in the game and wtf ?? y dont you take it from the start ?? -_-" ??

It easy to use then , when you target an enemy from 500 range , quickly press X , then C and 600 damage for large AOE , 150 mana. wow!
In addition , I never get PODL in early game until you have DESO !
Anyway nice strat anyway

Shadowraze lol , simply one of the best nuke in the game and wtf ?? y dont you take it from the start ?? -_-" ??

It easy to use then , when you target an enemy from 500 range , quickly press X , then C and 600 damage for large AOE , 150 mana. wow!
In addition , I never get PODL in early game until you have DESO !
Anyway nice strat anyway

its better if 2 butterfly, 1 desolater,treads,and scady

no S&Y ??
it gives a great movement and attack speed to harass any opponent !
Lothars is very good too !
Manta sucks with him ..

Best Item Build
MKB!
Desolater!!
Treads (any)!!!
Buriza!!!!
Assult Cuirass!!!!!
Heart of Tarrasque!!!!!!

haha i've your build too zradock. the armor decrease is simply crazeeeeeeeee.

1. Take raze man its an awesome use for your otherwise-useless mana and u can harrass as well as farm. Also useful for killing wen he outta range or in fog of war.
2. Try Eye of Skadi its better than deso + manta coz it gives u loads of hp which u need and imba imba imba slow for u to get the maximum out of your damage.
3. Also a blink or a Lothar's for you to do your ulti else ull hardly ever be able to execute it perfectly.

bakit sa huli mo na nilalagyan ang shadowraze?

SHADOW GRAZe????? lvl 22 23 24 25 ? oh no you nooob

is cuirass good 4 this hero

I thought this strat would teach me how to use Shadowraze... When I randomed Nevermore, I didn't level up Shadowraze coz I don't know how to use it...
Your item build confused me... I usually use these items:
Desolator
Assault Cuirass
Buriza
Lothar's
HoT
Treads

add butterfly and lothar

no need manta

i prefer the shadowraze than presence of the dark lord, more damage, see?

you've got it all wrong. manta style does not stack with orb effects and desolator is an orb effect
OMG

I have never tried this build. Gotta check this out. I never get the lothars. It's required only for noobs who don't know how to use RoS without lothars...shadow raze at the end is right. you don't need it. the more souls you collect in the beginning the better your damage is. last hitting was never so easy !

I generally go 2 bracers, power treads, stygian deso, butterfly, assault cuirass and buriza. u ll make them cry they existed in this world with this build. Nice guide though..8/10

Does Shadow Fiend really need Satanic

Since Lothar's Edge is renewed, this item is absolutely awesome for nevermore. Windwalk and unlti next to them. Plus u get the bonus agi and damage from it. A win win item for nevermore and many agis.

amp! orb effect?! do you know that?! besides, your wasting your first skill with could give you the chance to make kills early on the game. probably you SUCK at using it! and whats the point of using manta? you could just go for lothar's, gives you the ability to get VERY near your target without being noticed,.!!

Manta, Satanic and Desolator won't stock you know...

Also....shadowraze is a MUST in farming...why put it in last? you can kill a creepwave just for 250 mana!

You can also use the long range shadowraze to kill a fleeing enemy...

Plus....you need lothars edge....to effectively HIT your enemies using the requiem of souls...because there's a chance that they may flee...

Even if you have lots of damage....you can't use the FULL potential of your items...

ur a noob man! shadowraze is essential for farming! desolator and manta doesnt stack..try to read ur books again!

Real cool guide >_>

he has hatred i hate him!
he sucks
really
i tried him 21 times and everytime
havent killed 1 hero got killed
3-9 and ive been playing him for
2 months so far
he SUCKS!
DUDE!!!!!!!!!

i'll go for shadowraze and necromastery for short game . I like shadowraze because the three do not cooldown together.

lol,3 orb effects,I can't see why you can't own.Shadowraze added last,happy farming.No lothar's,I wonder why your opponents don't run when you use reqiuem.

ur a dumbasssss u have 3 orb affects shit hole

uninstall warcraft now~~!

this guide sucks a lot

Shadow Raze is very very important. Max it out first . It is the ultimate harassing tool. Maxout Shadowraze and Necromastery. Then go for podl .

Do not put points into your ult until lvl 14,15,16. Max out your normal skills first. Ult is useless until you have lvl 4 Necromancy.

Level up Shadowraze and Necromancy first, then PotDL.

*ObZ

omg , dagger one of first items for nevermore and skillbuild better necro / shadowraze / necro / sr

WTF?? Who ups presence of the dark lord ar first??? then how r u going to harass ur opponents in the early game??

shadowraze shud be uppe first after all iis nuke skill.. n potdl shud be uped later after ur deso is out,,

chill guys i noe manta doesn stack up wif deso but wad we wan now is the illusions not the mana burn...

so all i can say is noob guide..

NOOOOOB!!!!
wtf, deso and manta are orbs
they cant' be stacked
my build:
1. treads
2. lothar's
3. butterfly
4. desolator
5. buriza or MKB
6. anything that raises damage/agi if you can afford it...


that's ownage, but your a noob

0/10
Someone need to make a correct guide for nevermore................

0/10
Someone need to make a correct guide for nevermore................

erm dont we need skadi because it helps in slowing dem dowmn to kill wif normal ?

the guy bove me above again wy dun u make ur own damn guide u piece of shit

noob

dude, shadowraze is like the best nuke in the game, why wait when you can get it early, other then that nice guide

This guide is retarded. The person who plays it obviously has never played Nevermore...

wrote*

why not buy butterfly? it's very useful for all agi type heroes..

My build for this hero is:

power threads..this is why i'll get maelstorm

butterfly.. best for Nevermore(n other agi types)

butterfly..again

maelstorm..luck

HOT..makes up for his crappy hitpoints/

Assault Curriass..DeF!

4 me.. i build for thiss..
1-power threads
2-disolator
3-vanguard(in that stage ur damage is already high + necromastery.so go for hp.his life is so small)
4-hyperstone
5-butterfly
6-buriza
7-curias
late game..sell vanguard buy more damage or lothar for run coz ur hp is small again.

never again will an enemy kill you more..haha..thx..

AWFUL, YOU INCLUDED 3 ORB EFECTS, YOU ARE A TOTAL N00B

My build is:
*Threads
*Lothars = escape ganks
*Satanic = armor, hp and LIFESTEAL
*Assalt Cuirass = MUCH -armor for ur enemies
*Eye of skadi = ur enemies wont get away from u
*Butterfly, Buritza or MKB = some extra damage

Max Shadowraze and Necromastery first!!

get necromastery and shadowraze first!!!

My build is :
1.Power treads
2.Stygian Desolator
3.Lothar
4.Assault Cuirass
5.Butterfly
6.Monkey King Bar

Desolator...
Manta...
And Satanic...
I count to 3 orb effects.
No point at all.
Also, you don't use either lothars edge OR Kelens Dagger, which is quite necessary for his ulti.
And I'd rather see a butterfly too.

umm this strategy... sucks

im sure this has been said, but this strat totally ignores his imba lane control gained from raze. it costs nothing, it does a lot of dmg and against a melee hero, 3 razes is just death. i dont see the pt of manta, its useless, deso is good for dmg, but sometimes skadi is better for survivability

asteeg!!!

Hmm.... Manta and Desolator do not stack dude nor will the Satanic and Desolator. If you change'd desolator to Eye of Skadi that will work but meh

trip nung nag sulat ung orb effects bakit po tatlo orb effect di ba di nag iistack un bobo naman mag m jollnir ka na lang heheheheeheh at MoM at mystic staff at battle fury at mask of madness ......amputa tatlong orb effects joke lang sa items ...pero bobo ka parin u nooobbbisshhhh son of a venomancer..

GAGO di nag iistack un mongoloid......siguro lagi kang doglike

I think this hero needs item that will move him near at the enemy, like LOTHARS EDGE or DAGGERS OF ESCAPE. Then RoS.. If you have max souls stored on you, 50%+ hp of enemy is damaged then hit hit hit! That is the ultimate SOUL KILLER!!

manta doesnt stack with stygian o_O

what the hell is this...!!!
this strat is for noobbssss...
i just use PT,MKB,Cuirras, Butterfly
and the other items depend on the game...

Oh Come on you guys! pay respect to the one who made it. Thank him for the effort give him space to show his own strategy on Nevermore. We all have different perspectives toward things that is why pay your respect to have respect in exchange.

P.S.

Yeah where is Lothar's? I want Nevermore with Lothars!