The Assassin Within - shazzam66's Gondar

Very nice guide indeed :) Love your work.

Got everything explained, good screnshots and all. Getting a 10 / 10 from me ; )

wow. haha, full of screenies. everything i wanted. 10!

Wow nice

First Comment ^_^. Nice Strat dude. Seriously. Another 10/10

Oh crap. I'm not first. Oh well. I expect more strats from you shazzam.

Pretty good strat.
But the only thing I don't like is getting SnY.

Gondar is a hero that kills FAST. And SnY won't help you do that. Before you make the most use of the maim it gives, specifically, before it activates, the enemy should be nearing death, if not, you have enough MS to catch up, except for some given heroes.

I suggest getting MKB first, or better yet, rush butterfly when you farm 3300 in early game.

But overall, good strat.

Nice...
I'll try out Gondar again...
I haven't played with Gondar for a while and now I'm itching to use him

butter evasion doesnt stack with jinada.

ac is better imo.

Sif rapier didnt get a mention :D

Lots of screen shots, nothing too complex to show though so...

8/10

I like the quote.
I wonder what will happen if the highest bidder is from the Scourge.

Extended comment due to lack of characters -

One thing more, avoid radiance. It gives away your 'element of surprise', which is a big thing to throw away.

Always use Track, it has a low cooldown and manacost, for the bonuses it gives.

You forgot to note that Gondar's Wind Walk doesn't give an MS bonus so a smart Pudge/Mirana/AoE user can still get you if you aren't careful in escaping.

pretty good man
I'll give you a 10 too :P
gondar just kick asses!

very good i will try this

i just love it man ^^. make more strategies

wohoo first!

Finally someone agree with me on buying Vlad's. Last time I bought it people laugh at me. Good job..10/10

OMG 10/10 lol it's funny how we ALMOST got the same build XD (Instincts I guess,I'm an inv pro) PERSONALLY I prefer s&y over butterfly cuz of it's maim ability and bonus speed (Yasha first for str bonus then sange) but WTH 10/10

OMG 10/10 lol it's funny how we ALMOST got the same build XD (Instincts I guess,I'm an inv pro) PERSONALLY I prefer s&y over butterfly cuz of it's maim ability and bonus speed (Yasha first for str bonus then sange) but WTH 10/10

GREAT GUIDE!! AWESOME SCREENIES. 100/10

nice strat,10/10..
i think battle fury is better than radiance for farming..

nice strat i love it
keep them up Shazzam66

Track still gives you extra gold even if you killed an enemy without tracking him, correct me if i'm wrong

A good strategy.
Although I think you missed out harrassment techniques in the early game. Simply WW and wait for CD while pacing around opponent. After getting backstab you can go back invisible. Repeat that before finally doing the combo you suggested.. GG.

Your items and skill build are almost the same as mine except I don't get yasha as I find it a bit redundant as you already have amazing MS thanks to track. BoT is also much better for a ganker like him. Invisitele ownz big time. Cont.

Also, I would not really recommend getting radiance as it takes away the element of surprise. It makes opponents more wary of you and gives them all the more reasons to get a gem or ward to counter you. Some auras especially those that affect opponents are really not recommended for the above reasons. Good players can estimate your location and ward, turning the tables on you.

8.5/10 (9/10) , room for improvement.

I agree with `UnholY`, definitely avoid Radiance. SnY is so-so, a good one for starting BH players. I myself prefer my Vlads-Deso build, which you mentioned so I am happy.
Sole flaw with the skill build is that you should max Shuriken Toss first (at level 7). I'll note that the cooldown for Windwalk is currently 15 seconds (not 25 as it says up there, I blame the lack of updates) so if you based your order on that then its not your fault.
Good screenies and good tactics, 10/10 from me.

*reads more* I missed something, sigh, you did miss the early harassment tactics as said above. I'm sure you can throw that in though. Still good.

i played gondar alot of time
final i tems would be

Power thread
Sange and yasha
Butterfly
Butterfly

An em guide indeed. lvl 1 - 8 is early game and u think ur going to have treads yasha and vlad? good guide for em tho but in non em this guide is just good for a laugh.

intrestin guild LOVE the screen shots. Maybe i should start writing strats for DS i can come up with somthin good and maybe somthin as good as this. ^^. I also lik the different shots of different heros strength, intel and agility. nice job. XD.

noob stragtegy.....

ok

thank you for everyones comments so far

changed a little bit

changed early game slightly and the wording of Radiance

Hey Hey Hey, blood320, don't be mean, If you don't like the strat, state your reasons. If there is something you think he is wrong, give constructive criticism(C&C). It's not only politer but also helps him.

Ah it's better now. Deserves a high rating. On BFs, my friend seems to be fond on getting two of those for gondar, and it seems effective. Care to elaborate?

2 bfs would be good for farming

but i wouldnt go 2

i think 1 is enough if your having farming problems.

your mother of a hero killer

then a massive farmer anyway

gondar is very strong but I avoid playing him cause he is so ungly and weird.
But butterfly evasion stacks with the 20% that already has?? sure????

True. The build states to get BF as an item later. That kind of defeats its use as a farming item. Perhaps put it earlier? Just giving a suggestion.

Good guide... Covers up quite a bit, but IMO, to use this well, you must already know (or have seen) a good Gondar before...
However, the "walkthrough" kills with screenies are very good indeed... Shows very good how to get the kill, and why it works... Good job there...
I think you left out a pretty important aspect of Gondar, and that's early harassment of enemies, preventing them from farming, you just mention it on the way (wind walk, hit, wind walk again)...
But it's still a good guide 9/10

really great strategy i get the same item build but with the battlefury before S&Y 10/10

excellent strat .. dude .. gud goin ... i go 4 two butterflies 4 increased attack speed n evasion ... but still 10/10 ..

nice guide

im not going to bother say what everyone who posted above me has said regarding early game harassment and radiance so ill just say one thing.

hav you ever played Gondar with a Dagon? Kills come mad easy but then again, ive only done this once cause of a leaver but i must say, it was fun probably not an item worth getting unless you're rich but w/e, it's funny.

glad to have another premium guide here in DS 9/10

hmm... nice strat... though the early harassment is one of the keys for a successful mid and lategame...
like what the others said... i hope that you can update this guide with that section for the new gondar users...
other than that... nice guide ^^

10/10. I like it. Although I usually take Track when its possible but I guess that works too.

Great guide. Exactly the same way i play gondar and same itens. 10/10

Great guide

The pictures were great and so was your explanation. Exactly how I play Gondar

Only thing that should be changed is the item build you posted. The Sange and Yasha are a bit messed up. It only shows Yasha recipe, not the complete item.

Other then that. Perfect 10/10

nice. 10/10

Deso ftw!
great strat but
DESO>S&Y

But anyway very nice strat..

Great strat! Just thinking about double backstab dmg. So u ww,w8 untill the cd goes off,whack a hero, ww again and whack the hero again,then finish off with Shuriken Toss, so u get another 120 bs dmg,so 525+120=645 total dmg.

Really good strat...i would really go for butterfly asap cuz it makes you untouchable to melee heroes...
tried it in b-net got 10-1 (the one was cuz an "frendly" hero teleported away just in a 2v2...-.-)

very nice. me like

very nice guide, same build i use with one difference.
my skill build is
1. windwalk
2. toss
3. toss

and from there its the same..
just makes killing at level 3 possible with an ally.

Really nice guide,
A True Bobba Fett

this is the best strategy i read!!!!
i give you score 100% perfect!!!!!!!

A build with no BFury.. , :p

include non-em sections. it seems to pub built.

But great strategy once again 10/10

yehey! nice one..

nice guide!

i suggest getting butterly after treads-vlads, not SnY. kinda expensive though. but it'll give additional attack damage, armor and IAS. then mkb.

orb item? i like deso. woohoo! it'll be fun to kill.

thanks to the gondar strat!

I always get Bfury as my 1st item for Gondar then treads, sny, mkb, vlads usually after getting sny its GG already.

Gah, I found this initially and forgot - ministuns don't cancel Furion's Teleport skill (early section).

like the build but where have i seen it???

ohh right i do that all the time when random gondar

You(shazzam66) mentioned that Shuriken Toss is expensive and you can't use it to farm..Yes,but don't forget Wind Walk - you can last hit enemy creeps and get to wind walk again if there's a strong harasser in your line..With RoB or Crystal Maiden at your team,your mana regenerates fast enough for you to lose only a small amount of mana

Also,does Butterfly's Evasion stacks with Jinada?

omg... FAR tooooo basic... we all know this, and the other guide on gondar was almost the same... Besides, gondar is easy to play even without a guide on him!

4/10

No, I thought ministuns delay it very slightly, as furion continues channeling it.

nice guide screenshots and everything.
just u might add harraing with wind walk
1. turn on wind walk
2. wait for cooldown
3. strike and while in wind walk
4. turn wind walk again.

i give 10. very good

Another Great Guide XD Keep 'em coming

i only get track on lvl 10,24,25.
and battlefury is great on gondar, it gives mana regen, so the 50 mana is not a problem..
uhm, guinsoo is not a laugh on gondar, but it's situational. if your team don't have disable. you should buy guinsoo..
btw, 10/10 for your guide, nice screenie

Duration of WW at levels 1/2/3/4:

15/20/25/30

Take note of this everyone.

haha, gondar good man.. gondar is good at escape and kill someone, Gondar: As fast as i can~~

if you dont have heart how much is your health???

ok

ive redone early game harassment

so stop leaving comments about

wind walk, wind walk attack ra ra ra

changed the wording on Radiance aswell

Okay~
I have to admit its not very infomative (no offense at all! )

Nice screenies, i truly enjoyed watching some noobs getting eaten alive! Best with a replay!!!

Okay, honestly i personally feel your Item build is quite ordinary, killer method is ordinary too. (though was ownage still )

Since early game, BH mainly uses hes combo, u should add this in:

WW+WW+Toss combo:
WW until cd is over, or very close to over. Hit the enemy and ww immediately. Hit him again and toss to finish.

if you dont have heart how much is your health???
if your level 25??? please someone answer

Cont'd

it will work realy great against weak heroes early on.

Also, nvr forget Bottle and Scrolls are your best friends!

SnY is a situational item actually. If theres heroes like Weaver, POTM, Razor or any fast moving heroes, its quite important in killing.

However, i still prefer;
PT (str)
Vlads
Deso
Yasha
Bottle

Crit + Lifesteal + Corruption is a deadly combo!

9/10

Your skill build isn't that bad but I'd get Track earlier.

Although Vlads isn't such a bad item, it isn't that great as well. Bottle will usually solve all your mana and hp problems, while creep pulling will help you neutral big creeps. Sange and Yasha should be gotten earlier instead.

My opinion is get Track at level 6 if you have an enemy you can kill easily. If not, go for maxing WW and ST instead, and get Track at levels 10 and 11.

hey r u bryant?

The bounty hunter is one of my favorite heroes.
However, my preference for items are slightly different. they are:
1. Treads (agi)
2. Valmir's offering
3. Battlefury
4. Sange and Yasha
5. Monkey king bar
6. Buriuza

I get the battle fury b'cos you get cleaving damage. this makes it easier to farm and get a higher percentage of getting the kill.
I also get the buriza as it gives me about 40% critcal damage thus, increasing my rates of getting approx 890 to 900+ damage per hit!

people say the build is ordinary..
the ideas are ordinary..
could this be because ordinary just so happens to be the best way to play gondar?

as for teleport and toss.
furion will attempt to rechannel if disrupted...
it can't be cancelled meaning..
if you interrupt 1.75 seconds into his teleport..
you will have another 2 seconds to kill him... tha'ts nearly 4 seconds of defenceless prophet.

an interesting item if you are heavily farmed is orchid.
great counter to heroes that spam hard and fast

good explaination, thx for screens.. 10/10

Perfect Guide,,, 10/10

Its hard to Suck with gondar^^

I would only get Track early if I was against another Windwalker (SA, etc) and really needed it then. To be honest, at the start, you're going to do all of your damage with the 120+Shuriken and do little or no pursuit.

A fine piece of work there mate 10/10

oh.. i forgot.... IMO SNY is not a very nice item on gondar since he already has chasing skills
(windwalk +track) so you'll only benefit on the meer 10%incr. atkspd (IIRC) and some hp gain and the low chanced maim....

better just rush for more better items such as:

MKB or butter or BF....

Nice strategy for a Gondar.
The combinations was awesome

10/10 for me

agh mayb its just cuz i hate being redundant but why the hell are people insisting on butterflies with heroes that already have evasion? sure its 60dmg and a god attack speed but for 6000 aint there something better? ex: i played with a PA and he insistsed that he had 88% evasion cuz he got 2 butterflys..its infuriating >< anyways s+y is so cool for bh cuz of the IAS and IMS plus the maim is cool for chasing....also helps with his low life/str 8/10 guide gj

Hey dude,

good job on this guide.
Still I'd like to say that Gondar is no hero who should be picked in a league or garena game. In em mode he s a nasty killer but in competive games he just suxx because hes easy focused and no real help for the team.

But still, what is very imba about Gondar, that u cant the hell click on him.

its like a 20 spell evasion =P

Hey dude,

good job on this guide.
Still I'd like to say that Gondar is no hero who should be picked in a league or garena game. In em mode he s a nasty killer but in competive games he just suxx because hes easy focused and no real help for the team.

But still, what is very imba about Gondar, that u cant the hell click on him.

its like a 20 spell evasion =P

I normally get lvc2 toss at lv3 then max WW first.Partly cause the boost from lv1 toss to lv2 toss is gay. It actually adds 100 dmg first and gets less from then on. I normally opt for another butterfly rather than an mkb, but ur reasons are very solid too. 10/10 from me

@hyde: Gondar can pick off those pesky junglers and late gamers early game and stop them from gaining power towards late. How is that not helping the team?

great guide
10/10

maybe add something in early game about harassing with wind walk or also using it to last hit/deny creeps

nevermore's ultimate can't be cancelled by ministun. it can only be interrupted.

hahahah..
i love gondar..
i will use it well...
thanks for the strategy

when to get track is just situational, but i agree it should be taken around 10 - 16 since earlier level it won't be useful enough. overall, the guide is very clear.

and.. the build. wooo just perfect item for gondar. i prefer to get SnY earlier and then vladmir though.

nice strat 10/10

ok ive changed

the stun about mini stuns to do with

nevermore and furion

Nice Work! . .

yay we needed another gondar guide, the other was good but a bit old =D 9/10,

btw if we rush vlads and then sny wont our damage be a bit average?

This looks just like my build awesome >.< i get the linkins sphere though

Good guide. 9/10 . Why not 10/10 ???. Try to add some tactics for the most terrifying menace of all Wind Walkers: the Necronomicon User in case they can he can upgrade it into lvl 3 . Gem and Wards are easily countered but Necronomicon Demon is way too powerful on some distinctive heroes because you have to destroy that melee one ASAP while you are heavily focused without no surviving skill. Not need to mention how painful it is to be completely disabled by Rexxar, Atropos.

Alright awesomeness! hasha 10

nice work dude very good u should write more strategies with these type of detail

i have a Puck 1

go take a look

BH doesnt need a guide.. he's the most OP and lame hero there is , but still, well explained guide, would work for every hero with those screenies =)
and u dont BkB ?, BkB is good for every hero there is and i doubt if Armlet is that bad either.
And all this i hear about no radiance, is pure madness and it's pathetic, Radiance owns for BH, same for riki, these 2 heroes stay invis all the time, so if the opponent sees your radiance .. well .. what can he does about it ?.. exactly..NOTHING !,

Continued : and pls for God's sake ... Don't use spells to nuke a kill.. like in a gank where u are 3-4 heroes going for 2 others.. dont use toss to nuke the kill when the enemy has like 250 hp left.... that's pointless... remember, kills doesnt mather... and what's this fuzz about no Mjollnir ?!?!?, s&y is pretty useless for BH, he doesnt need more ms, he needs more dmg and atc speed and hp. (well s&y gives all that, but enough) a BH with mjollnir would totally own another BH with s&y.. -Em sux

good guide though i think that radiance is still pretty effective as an item

the immolation does give your pressence away but in a team clash and if your enemies have no gem that immolation does a very good job.. ^^,though radiance just risks on letting them get gem xD

cool strategy..

cool strategy..

val, 750g counter.

@looneytunes - butterfly gives you 30% (IAS,evasion) armor and more damage....

SNY gives you what??...
chasing power??.. 10% slow??... some IAS??... and some hp boost??....

gondar's track and WW can cover up for SNY's
IMS and 10%maim.... so you'll just end up benefiting from SNY's IAS and hp boost... i cant see better stuffs youll get for spending a 5500g SNY for gondar

i didnt see anyone adviced to get 2 butters??

@gonz22

u r saying SnY is bad on Gondar rite? Do you mean the maim and speed is nth? sth which Track, WW, Bfly can make up for?

U are totally wrong.
Why does Slardar lvl up his sprint? Obviously to chase better.
With 20%, you are definitely going to chase very far, and of cos you cant even catch up with some heroes like Razor with Yasha.
It not only helps you, but also you team to kill.

Yes Bfly is gd, but for chasing, its nth compared to SnY. At least, SnY gives main attribute n some spd.

The maim on sny is godly + its not just +10%, you all forgot about the 16 agi/str.. lets say ur fighting sladar, who has 522 ms and you have 522 ms, you won't catch him. But if you maimed him, u can keep attacking him then finish him. And ONE bfury is good on him because you can farm easily, and push better late game. Also, vlads is a MUST on any melee agi hero who gets a non-lifesteal orb, unless someone else has one.

Awesome strat. Almost identical build for me from early to mid. However I like to get assualt before butterfly, because BH has natural evasion, and +armor for you and -armor for your oppoents is never a bad thing.

Two thumbs up though.

nery well said...
next tym ill try it

@Shimmra_3

The Opponents will get gem anyways, no1 will let a BH get fed or anything a like, and u can easily counter the 750g gem. It isnt all about invis...

well i read some of the guides here but urs was pure entertainment...a very nice job with the screenshots...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!! peace out

Very good strategy,
10/10 for me

@sfsy1 - huh??... obviously slardar doesnt have any other chasing skill rather than his sprint..

your only thinking of the scenario where youre always chasing heroes...

but what if your faced with a razor or dps heroes with decent items.. you'll only rely on the IAS and 16str/agi from sny....

@ ogre-magi - yes you maim slardar then he stuns you.... pursuit ended.....


its not all about chasing....

@valborgofdestiny
For Gondar, I would encourage KS. He can get extra gold and unlike most heroes who gank alot (Nerubian assasin, Lina, Lion) he needs the extra gold more to farm up big items that those heroes don't need.

explained well, but ur enemies are noobs

=X

What is the assassin within shazzam66's gondar?! theres an assassin inside your gondar??!
Is he attempting to kill your gondar?!
oh no!

Good guide on a hero i thought was lame and noobish. Now i think differently

ooh and btw the list of channeling spells is eye candy.

Deso>SnY.
Anyway,9/10

great strat man i havent played this guy in ages

Correct if I'm wrong but your vlads' aura will show up on the creeps when ur ww right? I'd avoid vlads to be honest.. HoD is my choice.. gives you armour and HP regen 2 things that BH lacks! and I'd normally get perseverance after for mana and HP regen purposes! And then depending on the situation upgrade to linkens or Battle fury? Anyone agree? HoD can then upgrade to satanic which makes logic sense because his need for HP! am i right or am i right?

ummm its imposible to get bfly and sny by level 16, even if you do, the other team would've left

When You WW it hides vlads

@ bananaphone - by that time(level16) i might already have a butterfly,treads,on the way to MKB..... it depends on the user.... getting butter or SNY by level 16 is not impossible

Its doable. I would say that its the best case scenario though.

been reading here for months and first time i've felt led to comment...

great strategy, completely comprehensive, a solid look at a hero i never felt was so formidable. 10+

what does "maim" mean ??

great strat...

good guide

Maim is a passive orb effect on Sange-and-Yasha, which has a chance to reduce the victim's attack and movement speed by 35% for 6 seconds (at least thats what I remember).

Im impressed..
thx anyway

Great job on this guide, the only thing is that Gondar is a very obvious hero to me. Just use ww and shuriken with track and its an instant kill 90% of the time. Thanks for a great guide.

nice 3ajabne kteer...i ll use em on l8ter on

i have a question, when your in WW mode and cast track does that get you out of WW mode

nice guide

I think deserves 9/10 great combos and strategy.

Assult curias and probs b fury instead of b fly.

Chur

I dont know why but I love this item for meelee/agi
3Fury
1bkb
Treads
Butterfly
End Of Game
Cleave Ignore heroes armor and since 3 fury has 105% cleave,tank heroes or any hero will be tear apart even just by hitting enemy creeps.
after getting 1 fury ,it would be easy to get the other items.
No hard explanation end of game.
zzz

hey guys! I have a question, whenever you use track on the enemy, will it still track the target even if the enemy is very far away? kinda curious,

Yes. Even if the enemy is far away, the track would still work. Unless he dies of course.

very nice guide i tried im so pro with bounty hunter now ty

i would say a near perfect strat, except pretty expensive builds throughout lol.

1850+2075+90(maybe x2)=4000+

at lvl 7. thats more then a relic lol

4000+6000+5300=15300

at lvl 16.

thats really quite unrealistic even in a pub game, unless you are free farming all the time.

even though I think you missed out a huge aspect of bounty i'm still going to give you 10/10 for the effort

First off, the only error in the guide. Skadi melee is not Orb effect.

Very easy played hero.

My build is
Basalius (later on vladimir)
Battlefury (Crit + cleave = $$$) Core item, makes it possible to spam shuriken
Treads
Skadi (For chasing, Increased Str and IAS)
or
Butterfly (Dps)

If all those items are completed and the match isn't won yet, you've done something wrong.

Track + KS as much as possible, noobish but needed.

@ 139
Cleave doesn't stack. 3 Battlefury is not a good choice.

Further on. S&Y is not needed, if you need hp get a point booster and then aim for skadi.

Treads + Track is enough MS already. And for the IAS you get +20% from skadi, and maim kinda sucks compared to frost attack.

Also IAS isn't core, you want burst dmg, high crits so you can finnish them off fast before they start hitting you.

For Gondar
Dmg > IAS

You're not dps'er, you're a burster!

@sjom
Um, melee Skadi IS an orb effect, read the table :P And cleave DOES STACK! Why else do Magnataurs put a Battlefury in their build :P

hey shazzam!!! very nice and detailed guide....it just makes me want to use Gondar now! keep the good guides rolling! take care

As if Guinsoo is only for "a laugh"

its epic on him, just cast and they cant do anything cept die

Doesnt Valmir's offering gif away his presence? Becuz of the arua?

mate pros will prolly use wards so radiance is not an option anyway .P

I cant help but feel that you kinda stated alot of redundent stuff like "She how she looks slightly
faded, but not invisible, shes still visible because of Track even though
she used Moonlight Shadow." Your screenies kinda actually make gondar look pretty weak. You should be able to take on any hero 1 on 1. You need to emphasise on the importance of using windwalk to harrass early-mid game. The backstab damage is HUGE. Not to mention you can double the damage instantly with the short cd

Anyway, the 2 main items i rush for would be ring of regen, and mask of death. These 2 items help you to tank the damage recieved by creeps when you're harrassing your opponent. Another thing, shruiken toss is not to be misused. You have to save it. Sure, gondar is excellent at chasing and all. He can't usually kill a full hp hero with a teleporting skill. Imagine how annoying that is. Shruiken, track, backstab etc. But he teleports away. to people who says skadi is useful. Thats rubbish.

Gondar does not need the additional mp and hp from skadi, neither does he need the frost effect. I get skadi only if my opponent team has a clinkz carry. you just cant catch him==! I also read somewhere in the comments that melee skadi is nt an orb effect? Whoever that is, you got it backwards. heh shazzam, I really find some parts of your strat funny. Like how you still remain invisible when you take a rune. You arent attacking the rune, so i dont see why it'll break your invisibility.

anyway, what else... to add on to your worst enemies, there's rooftrellen(eyes of the forest plus his ultimate), all permabashers(You cant beat troll even if his hp is 1/3) and... bone. Bone can really hurt you, not to mention his ulti'll be a pain in the ass. yes... another thing, track. Abuse it. low mana cost and cd, minuses your enemy's armour, gives you additional ms And it reveals ALL enemies. It's a priceless skill. lastly, get a bfury before mkb. I'll give your guide 9/10~

sry, my last post. I have to mention this.

@SteliosrulezGR:gondar is very strong but I avoid playing him cause he is so ungly and weird. LOL! It's not his fault that warcraft created the draenai.

@comment 30: I'll like to mention that strategies are meant for noobs. If you're a pro, whats the point in following a strategy if you're already good? Guides are meant to help noobs, so there's no point posting rubbish.

@150: err, auras turn invisible too. This was fixed before 49b i think

Hey i like those screenies.
Make me understood well.
11/10

mkb vs. Butterfly?

evasion doesnt stack, and mkb deals a lot more damage, together with critical and dodge, makes for an east killing.

i think mkb gives a far better percent increase in DPS (guys review dota math) vs. butterfly.

S&Y is so newbie for gondar..

mkb vs. Butterfly?

evasion doesnt stack, and mkb deals a lot more damage, together with critical and dodge, makes for an east killing.

i think mkb gives a far better percent increase in DPS (guys review dota math) vs. butterfly.

S&Y is so newbie for gondar..

nice but still isnt great

why SnY? why vlads? when you get satanic/HotD you save 4 times the money and get about the same survivability, the is no need to chase that much unless you're soloing

why butter? i believe MKB does better

8/10

nice guide anyway, 10000xbetter than the other ones

atleast its better than the other strat.. the other strat sucks!

does the butterfly and buriza stack with jinada? it would make a nc combi

10/10 nyc strat

A great guide
but i think bf should be the first gondar item since it give a mana n hp regen n huge damage n cleaving attack
it's all that gondar need

Good strategy. I love it.

To those who says the other bounty hunter guide sucks? Think twice before you comment. That guide was made 2 years ago

get helms of dominator not vlads. then upgrade to satanic.

good system

MKB is HANDS DOWN better then BFLY, really all youre getting with bfly is a bonus 2% evasion,60 dmg and some nice attack speed. the evasion you already have dosent ruin the bfly, it just makes it less valuable

delayed response to gonz ><
@looneytunes - butterfly gives you 30% (IAS,evasion) armor and more damage....

SNY gives you what??...
chasing power??.. 10% slow??... some IAS??... and some hp boost??....

gondar's track and WW can cover up for SNY's
IMS and 10%maim.... so you'll just end up benefiting from SNY's IAS and hp boost... i cant see better stuffs youll get for spending a 5500g SNY for gondar

i didnt see anyone adviced to get 2 butters??

the percentages are higher then that... i think around 16%

you said "track and ww" make up for it....ww dosent give bonus ms so it dosent really compensate for anything

in reality, youre not actually getting 30% evasion.. you already have 20% from skill so thats only a 10%bonus (which is what i meant in my earlier post)

and about another person sugesting 2 butters: By lvluffin 2008-06-23
suggested 2bflys

very comprehensive strat thanks

hey bro i just want to correct ur mistake u cant stop the teleportation spell of Furion even it dela the casting , still the teleportaion will work but aside from that ur strategy is ok! GOOD JOB!

Nice guide dude..
if any would make an insane BEAST MASTER guide.. it could be awesome

nice guide this like the best guide i've ever read

nice guide!
gj

I've played with this hero and against this hero, and I've always found it to do well in early-game but be quite useless in late-game.

@Tokemus
Greate Cleave + Cleave stacks.
with other words heroes with cleave as passive such as Magnatur and Sven can stack it with battlefury.

But two battlefury cleave won't stack.

good strategy. hope you make another with the same patterns. 8/10

@sjom:

cleave stacks

wooo. I thought Gondar was underrated. After I read this. I'll add Gondar to my favorite hero list. Gotta try these tricks first. Thanks for this beautiful thread.

@rllian
updating is nice

Good gide all-in-all but how about bottle?, helps a lot in early game, less in mid. I ussulay use 2 butters on this guy,(i know evasion doesnt stack), but makes u a seek dps. Also u could use oberver wards(they do a lot4 this hero).A 9.5 score from me.

@Counter_Force[X]:

Why it doesnt stack anymore? erm I dunno. havent played dota in several months

nice strat dude...
you know what, at first i didn't like gondar so much because of oits low hp....
but after i read your strat dude,

GONDAR!!!YOUR THE BEST!!!
very nice 10/10 for me.w8ng 4 oder strat

nice strat. i randomed gondar. it was 5v5. i was facing 2 RANGED. believe it or not, they didnt put my tower in half its life. hahaha, thanks dude!

p.s. i was facing traxex and dwarven

pudge or ursa could take out gondar easily but nice strat deserves 11/10

Only thing I disagree with is Leshrac as a prime enemy for Gondar. Leshrac is extremely fragile and with Windwalk you can take him out quite quickly using the element of surprise. Just don't get caught unaware by him.

interesting build i like it good job keep it up
-Sick Stun^*

very nice guide 2 thumbs up...gimme 5

Really good job!
In fact I didn't like gondar very much
But since I saw your guide...
I would like to try play with him (:
10/10!

Wow Nice guide

Nerub can insta kill gondar........ And you can buy 1 blademail to him and gondar would probably rape himself.

Why not try Battle Fury? It is a very effective tool on Gondar because of his not so bad crit and attack dmg . . . Try equipping him with Divine Rapier. You ain't scared of your potential, aren't you? So buy DR.

great...
now i need help if theres pro nerub assasin
and he manburns u so u dun have enought mana for ww
i need help there

zzzzz only noobs pick this gay hero.zeus ftw

this strategy is great

i like it but it doesn't seem 2 work with me...is ur skills based on against all dota heroes??

ffs only noobs use butterfly on gondar.it's just wasting gold.
this guide is crap

Do you work for some newspapers, maybe ? Cause this is explained more than good. You leave me no choice, but - 10/10

@ NZFiRehaWk, Frequently = read the rules. No flaming. Especially when both of your opinions are WRONG. Warning each.

lovely guide!!

ok im a straight up/blunt/ curious guy so i have a question (keep in mind that im not trying to sound like an asshole, as hard as that is for me) for ppl in charge of websites like this, and keeping them in check, whats it like to have authority in something trivial? im pretty sure that i wouldnt find myself in a position like that so i was wondering if somebody would clue me in?

i think gondar gets very ineffective to all str heroes

i think the absoolute greatest part of this guide has got to be the skilll build order....its absolutely 100% right. getting track at level 10 is good becuase at lvl 6 u dont have enough mana to actually be able to use it effectively. way better to get it late on. also i think that after early game u should never farm. its pointless. ur better of runing around the opponents forest and looking for low hp heroes to kill. con't

the vlads is a good idea so is the treads and SnY. desolator is an awufull item as it doesnt give u any str bonus. a couple stuns and nukes and ull die fast. butterfly is not bad but cuirass is better as we all know evasion doesnt stack. i have also found that getting a perseverance early on is extremely helpfull. u can make it into a linkens if u want later or even a battlefury and it acts sort of like a portable mini fountain to keep u from moving back and forth. :D

GReat job !

This is a good guide on GOndar, but the funny thing is that the game usualy ends when i get SnY and Vladimir cause I have about 20 kills and beyond godlike by then :P Its so easy to use gondar, and pwn with him. Just prey on low hp heroes in other lanes, use TP to come there, and kill. YOu should have First blood on lvl2 or 3 and mega kill by lvl 8 easily. I so love playing with this guy.

nice one bro!!

does bfly's evasion stack with jinada???
is SNY rly nessesary?
but if i dont get bfly i dun have enuf attk speed, is it fine lyk that?
gd guide 8/10

im not a terribly big fan of getting any auras for bh cause if used against a good player, a ww can be given away really easily, and they might go back before you have time to initiate the kill combo.

SnY is horribly overused, and its not really necessary for a bh. for that price, you can get much better items, or at least get to better items.

spend a bit more time to rush that bfly and you will be almost unstoppable.

6/10, liked the screens, need work on the strat

U GET 2 BFURIES ON BH TO CLEAVE HIS CRITS.. really good for farming(u get 2 bfuries on nearly every crit hero

Yes nice item build and strategy. I usually get track earlier for the bonus gold if I'm getting fed by pubs

this is tha best i own thanks

nice guide. 10/10
question though...would backstab damage still happen even if you are seen? if the enemy has wards or gem...

Yes, backstab damage is done upon breaking ww with an attack regardless of whether or not you are detected via true sight before you strike.

Another neat fact... GONDAR OWNZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, i thought this looked like a pretty good guide.
Well, it seemed to work since i tried it. The first time i ended up with 21/1 in a pub game (yeah sure they suck etc) but still. It shows this guide is VERY good! Btw, took down 4 towers alone aswell.
I just added sange to yasha (after all the other items were done) and Assault cuirass for some def.

good to hear that people are getting good results from the information of this guide

thanks for everyone who had a positive comment

=]

Deecent guide bit i agrre that you should of talked about harassing skills and i think an effective build for early game is skip vlads rush dagon double windwalk shuriken to dagon GG!

This is a good and informative guide. Would you suggest using Track to escape? I mean casting it on any enemy hero for the MS bonus.

Using Track to escape is somewhat unnecessary seeing as you have Windwalk.
But yes, you should be using it whenever you decide to go back to base in early game, or basically at all times in mid-late game when you can supply enough mana.
Speed at all times is good.
And if they get a Gem or something, then you should, yes, definitely use Track so you stand a better chance of getting away alive.

interesante

@rllian
you say you would have issues with teleporting heroes..??

why not toss a SHURIKEN!!!!

Great strat, but i think you don't need SnY because you already have your track to catch them up.

But overall this is a nice strat

i give this 9/10

First of all i wouldnt get butterfly before MKB. Hand of Midas is a item that i allways get when playing Gondar, it works really well using its active inbeteen the ganks.

all your comments are fine

this is my strategy

if you want to try different item builds

then so be it

after all its not like i can stop you

and yes track isnt bad for escaping

but WW is much better

will the evasion from butterfly stack with jinada?.. can someone answer me please..

Nice & straight forward strat. Keep it up so that more palyers can learn from you. 8 of 10

This a very intresting guide on how to use gondar. For me, it was a really good guide. Now, i know how to use gondar more better then ever. Thanks for this useful guide.

nic guide 10/10 but wat happends wen the guy gets a gem of true site? wat do u do?

Invis isn't required for gondor to be useful, its just a bonus feature until they get detection. Just stop relying on windwalk for surprise and attack people like every other hero :P. You got dodge, crit, nuke (ministun), and track... Its like Total, 100% of your daily needs in 1 bowl. =]

i love it,it helps me when i'm playing with my frens and i pawned their heads;) thx!
-10/10

Yeh very nice guide im playing gondar and powning because of ur guide keep it real

This rocked my dota play, i got godlike in 20 min. 10/10

sry dude its very nice but i dont like the skill build... its better to use track at lvl 6-7 ok itembuild could be better too no SnY and maybe satanic not vlads....

10/10 GUIDE!! Wooo
Excuse me for being a noob but, why not get MoM instead of Offering, it gives more lifesteal and Attack speed. Offering in the other hand can somehow tell enemy that u are somewhere near.

Plus, can u provide a replay? Or did u post it and i missed it >.>"'

I'm gonna use this one time!
This guide is a "sure" winner though

Yup tried and works great,although I had some problems against mirana early game...I would give this 10/10, but playing him late game makes enemies leave :(
10/10 anyway for godlike streaks:)

great strategy
it's going to help me a lot with the gondar

whoo..! diz' giide is awsum! - i 0wn3d using this setup

amazin guide 5 stars

I'll say just 1 thing: PERFECT

i love seeing shazzam's strategies. they just rock!!!

nice strat..
10 i give u..
wat heroes do u build up??
other than gondar

@ war1ock

thanks very much

i appreciate comments like that

and every other DS members pleasant comments.

there is a Tree guide currently pending

=]

I tried this one and it really works. Very nice 10/10.

I tried this one and it really works. Very nice 10/10.

Dude shazzam66, i luv ur strat. actually its the same as mine. only, if my enemies r really strong, i go for both sny AND stygian. since the maim is quite unreliable and i usually have a stunner/slower in ganks. It works everytime lol, omfg ur guide rox. keep goin man. make 1 for other chars plz.

oh, and btw, i'd give u 11/10 but since it aint possible, u get 10/10

wowowe

ur my idol in this kind of things, realy helped me a lot

ok this guide is good. but you have one little mistake ANY time you kill an enemy you get bonus money, NOT WHILE track is on.

Gr8 item build only i disagree to get vladi before yasha, if everything is ok.
if you are getting hard time to farm get vladi asap and go forest a bit and lvl JINADA before toss.


peace

Did you forget to mention the best ally for early harrasment? Or early easy kills maybe. It is BH twins (more or less), the Dark Seer. WW+Ion shell then stand close to enemy hero, after enough drained then Toss. Sound like 1st Blood!
Btw nice guide there, keep workin

nice build you got there.

Well fantastic guide man it helped me a lot to improve my gaming with gondar and know his in my top 5 heroes:)

vladmir`s Offering arua scare heros lol
they will know ur present lol should buy b.fury for mana reg +dam lol

nice guide dude. . . BAMF. . . 10/10

few words.... WHERE IS UR NEXT GUIDE I WANT TO SEE IT great guide 10/10

Wicked strat, you took SnY off and put desolator... why not just leave it on, they stack because sanga is only an chance orb effect

it is very suck!!!! lol

its GOOD but guys have you tried Gondar with dagon+bootle? killing soft heroes in just seconds!

IMBA STRATEGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eeey!
for 1 on 1 match! i used dagon! arcane ring! and skill build up is wind walk and toss! i asurely you will won!
try it!
nothings gonna happen!
^^
but on 5 on 5 matches!
definitely use your thoughts!
^^ hava fun!

but man i love your guide!
awsome!
wanna try your strategies!
^^

Very nice strategy indeed but i rather use other items.
Like helm of dominator and perseverance and boots of travel.
Noone runs away from the Bounty Hunter indeed.

10 10 10 10!

i recommend yasha and desolator!!!
but great work mate!!! 10/10

nice work

nice guide man. i have been practicing gondar for 2 days now and i have no idea how to use his skills. thanks to you man i can now be a GODLIKE! lol. 10/10

Gondar has the funniest "Die" animation. Is he a frog?

a great guide-
but don't u think your guide uses a lot of mana + no base return. and in my opinion ring of basilus is not enough. i prefer battle fury in place of radiance. And power threads + hyperstone if u need a fast K.O

Amazing strat. Although you should max out shouriken first and get s&y earlier in my opinion. Although get ww in the first lvl. Vlad can help you farm neutral creeps however you should invest in some dmg from s&y while your nukes are most efficient early to mid game. Other than that i fully agree with the items except for satanic as it's a great late game lifesteal due to the fact that it gives great survivability and damage boost. 9/10 and keep it up !

Very Nice .. But I Really Think That Buriza Would Be Very Good .. Because Jinada + Vlads + Buriza Is Freaking Unbelievable ..

You Heal & You Crit The Hell Out Of Them .. And I Like Having 1 Jinada In The Beginning Of The Game ..


I Get Power Treads + SnY .. Because When You Put Track, Then Theres No Way On Earth You Won't Catch Up To Them ( Or They Won't Catch Up To You ) ..

But Nice Strategy ..

Good! 5 stars for u...




-Always remember, playing Dota is the most important thing to do than having sex with ur girlfriend.... hahaha

definately one of the best strats i've ever seen! 1010!

nice guide

but i prefer this:
treads
butterfly
then heart
deso

dnt need sy...

cool guide 10/10

perfect

Great guide REALLY helpful
nice work and research!!!

10/10

kewl strat

I think if you added buriza into your inventory it would be better,because you get an higher chance of critical although its a waste of money..xD

good guide!

Good strategy!!

GREAT GUIDE MATE THANKS!!!

YOU ARE SOOOOOOO

Pro

this is a very nice guide, however I'd like to note that you can do a extra 120 if u wait for the CD of windwalk before making a move. Whenever i randomed before i would get a ring sobi and claritys but ur method of a basilus works just as well, however it also gives away position due to its aura so take that into account.

I also forgot to mention, BH is very mana deficient, instead of getting power treads i get int treads early game for the extra 200-300 mana boost, its well worth it and you can always switch it back later.